The mysterious domes of Siberia's valley of death., page 5

posted on Feb, 17 2010 @ 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by cerberus00
If you guys are really interested I urge you to check out Valery's research at the link I posted earlier. Here is a direct link to his 4 part article: www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

The first part is pretty much exactly the same as the pdf gazerstar posted, but there are 3 more parts with additional information. Its quite a long read fyi, buy very interesting.

Thanks that was some good reading.

OP great thread S&F at 67

PEACE & STUFF!

ladyinwaiting

posted on Feb, 17 2010 @ 07:41 PM

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Absolutely some of the most forboding, difficult terrain on our planet.
Almost never thaws it's so frozen. But that is just one more element that makes this so intriguing.

Why Siberia? Who/what in the world could it be that would be in Siberia?
Talk about the middle of nowhere......
Makes you think it was something that was to never be uncovered.
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But, the description of a copper cauldren....with a tree growing in it? And also for people to say the inside chambers are warm implies you can go inside, or at least someone has been inside.

Very perplexing.

oppaperclip

posted on Feb, 17 2010 @ 08:03 PM

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Maybe Battlestar Galactica was right, maybe this has all happened before and will happen again. Even if this is bunk, to many questions have to be answered as to the age of certain Archeological sites. What's beneath and what has become new land?

Did we originally come from Earth? There is evidence we have been here a long time, but that doesn't mean through cataclysm we have not had to star over.

homosapien is a creature contrary to all other life forms found on earth, as to purpose and ability.

I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution but he time line given would mean instead of thousands of years, we would have to have been evolving for millions or billions of years. If we did indeed evolve from an ape or ape like ancestor, why did we lose the hair that would keep us warm, forcing us to adapt by using furs from other animals. What about our strength? Pound for pound a chimp is much stronger than us, so why did we lose our strength, and force ourselves to rely on tools and sciences?

There are a lot of theories that sound plausible as to why we evolved the way we did, but I'm not biting. Did the spear, awl and arrow really cause us to lose size? Because we started walking on the ground, it caused a hunter of nuts to become a scavenger? Maybe, maybe not. Under direct thought our so called eveloutionary path seems to be contrary to common sense.

Best guess is all we have, and under scrutiny we seem to be at least an anomaly and at most an alien species, or genetic experiment of some long dead creator, or being.

Personally I think that we are from an experiment and the bible is from this long dead, or gone group or sect of people. Age discrepancies from some of the most ancient races seem to support a people that lived a very long time, as we live a relatively short time. Maybe we were engineered to make easier for them, and they left us. Maybe these groups of people were very advanced a la Atlantis. Maybe we rebelled as we've been known to do and soon after catastrophe struck the globe or area and it was gone, either centuries thousands of years ago or with another civilization that grew out before us, and we recorded their stories before they died out. An advanced civilization with a superior knowledge of medicine and science could easily explain say jesus.

Maybe because we evolved from a climate much different than we have today is why we are so different, but why did we evolve the way we did and no other animal evolved to be so poorly adapted to our current environment?
No it just doesn't add up and we must look at our science and assume it is wrong as much as it is right. However religion and politics get in the way, and seemingly go to great lengths to make their story seem like the only plausible explanation.

Well that's just some of my humble opinion, I hope you enjoyed.

hangedman13

posted on Feb, 17 2010 @ 09:07 PM

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I have a passing knowledge of Siberia due to my fathers passion for hunting

He always told me it was one of the few real adventures left! From what I've read it would be the perfect place to hide something like that. Isolated and inaccessible except the old fashioned way in any dependable fashion. Still any real investigation would be time consuming and dangerous. I wonder what if anything the old Soviets knew about it. Could it be their version of Doulce base? The part that has me thinking is the story about the sun underground. Was that not one of the stories about Hollow Earth?

Chonx

posted on Feb, 17 2010 @ 09:35 PM

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First off, thanks for all the input. Some impressive collaboration going on
here! It's what I love about ATS.

I thought I'd try and lay out the possible theories and evidence for the domes origins for the sake of clarity and then as we move on we can refine the ideas.

Not in any particular order:

Diamond mining related technology

The very fact that the area has diamond mines makes this a plausable explaination. I think it's fair to assume that the average person wouldn't be familiar with diamond mining equipment and might mistake it for something unusual so this is a definate possibility.

Some info on a (relatively) nearby diamond mine:
en.wikipedia.org...

Some kind of ancient technology or weapon of unknown origin

The evidence for this comes mostly from the local folklore and legends. The links drawn with events like Tunguska are tenuous at best in my opinion. However the strange properties of the domes do lend a little weight to the possibilty that they are not of human origin.

Crashed alien spacecraft or deliberately placed alien technology

Most evidence for this comes from speculation on the strange nature of the domes. I think it is natural when confronted with the idea of something as strange as this to at least entertain the idea that it could be alien. I know I am.

Another possible link, and I use that word loosely, are the similarities between the properties of the metal of the domes and those of the crash debris of the Roswell incident.

www.roswellproof.com...

But then who's to say it was the same aliens? or that their ship was made of the same material?

For me anyway, this is the least likely of the explainations here, but one of the most compelling!

Nuclear testing equipment or secret Russian military technology

The reports of radiation, as many of you have pointed out, do suggest that the domes may have something to do with nuclear explosions or, in some way, nuclear energy.

Nuclear weapons we're definately tested in the area but I'm struggling to pinpoint the locations exactly.

This site:
www.johnstonsarchive.net...
has a database of Russian nuclear tests and Yakutia does appear in the guide to data listing:

-RU-YK--Russia, Yakutia

But further than that, I don't know.

An argument against this hypothesis would be the reports of the domes which pre-date any known nuclear testing.

The domes don't exist.

There is no photographic evidence so far to support the existence of the domes and pretty much all we have to go on are the reports of people who say they have seen them. The stories and reports may all be exaggerated or total fabrications for all we know. This is true, but in my opinion I think it's more likey that these people are seeing and experiencing something unfamiliar, rather than conspiring to keep the myth of the domes alive for some reason.

If I have missed any theories out then let me know and I'll add it to this post.

I think the next thing to do is go through them one by one and try to find as much more evidence for and against as we can. An expedition to the area would be the most ideal situation and expat2368, if you do get a chance to go and check it out, that would be amazing. totally amazing. But until we get something like that going we'll have to put up with what the internet and books can tell us.

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Thanks for posting the link to those photos

very interesting. I can't really tell if they are supposed to be pictures of the domes, the translator is not making much sense.

If these pictures are of the domes then clearly they have been covered over with dirt by someone for some reason....

Could someone please have a go at finding out whether the pictures are actually of the domes or just random geology or whatever? That'd be sweet.

I hope we can get to the truth here, whatever it is. Keep up the good work people

thanks

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kneverr

posted on Feb, 17 2010 @ 11:05 PM

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Star & Flag, thank you for posting this Chonx. Interesting and different, especially the references to the Domes being a type of ancient/alien asteroid defense system.

Does that mean I believe it, no but it has a very "Krell" feel to it and right here on earth... now wouldn't that be something.
Dr. Morbius: "The fool, the meddling idiot! As though his ape's brain could contain the secrets of the Krell!"

I found this on the Wayback Machine when researching a dead link from the OS. (July 2003):

"The Installation
An Interview with Valery Uvarov.

(Full transcript: web.archive.org...://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/installation.html)

Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 10, Number 4 (June-July 2003) The following extracts were transcribed from a filmed interview with Valery Uvarov, of Russia's National Security Academy, conducted by Graham W. Birdsall, Editor of the UK-based UFO Magazine. The interview took place at the 12th International UFO Congress Convention and Film Festival, held February 2-8, 2003, in Laughlin, Nevada, USA.

Graham Birdsall (GB): What is your official title?

Valery Uvarov (VU): I am head of the Department of UFO Research, Science and Technical, National Security Academy, based in St Petersburg, Russia.

GB: This, then, is an official Russian government agency?

VU: Absolutely. I am answerable to two people above me. They are answerable to the next person above them, who is our President [Putin].

GB: Earlier, off camera, you alluded to some important developments concerning the Tunguska explosion of 1908. For the record, can you tell us why you now believe you know the cause?

VU: It is not so much a case of belief; we know what caused it. It was a meteor, but a meteor that was destroyed by ... let's say, a missile. The missile was generated by a material installation. We don't know who constructed it, but it was built long, long ago and is situated in Siberia, several hundred kilometres north of Tunguska. I can tell you that our investigation has revealed more than one explosion at Tunguska. Let me share something with you. The last time that this installation shot down a meteor was on 24/25 September last year. The Americans ... they have three bases ... they, too, noticed this explosion.
[Editor's Ref: See New Scientist vol 178 issue 2399 - 14 June 2003]

GB: Can you be more specific about the location of this installation?

VU: Look for the site of the Tunguska explosion. To the southeast is the very large and famous Lake Baikal. Beyond that, to the north, is a huge and barren territory covering 100,000 kilometres. Hardly anyone lives there. There are no towns or cities. Here is where we located the installation..."

Valery Uvarov also speaks of the Installation in the following videos.
Fast forward to 6:15 and continues in 2nd video:

I have some maps of the area in question (try to post them later if anyone is interested)

[Edit to Add a link to an interesting side story connected to the OS]

ICE-AGE NANOTECHNOLOGY
www.artgomperz.com...

www.exopolitics.org.uk...

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Chronogoblin

posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
Why Siberia? Who/what in the world could it be that would be in Siberia?
Talk about the middle of nowhere......
Makes you think it was something that was to never be uncovered.

You know, according to one theory, Siberia might not have been so inhospitable at one point in the past. I'm not sure if you are aware of the maps of Antarctica with it apparently free of ice. But if you look to the theory that the Earth's crust shifts, then it makes a bit more sense. If, for example, Antarctica was say, where Africa is now, that would put Siberia much closer to the equator than it is now. Making it much more appealing to any that would settle there. In fact, now that I follow that train of thought, perhaps the beings that lived there died in the shift.

Chrono

SuperSlovak

posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 01:27 AM
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The area in question can be described as a solid mass of swamps, alternating with near-impassable taiga, covering more than 100,000 square kilometers. Some fairly curious rumors have become attached to the area regarding metal objects of unknown origin located across its expanse.

In order to shed light on whatever it was that gave rise to these rumors, we must go back to the ancient history of this region to discover its beliefs and legends.

In ancient times, the Valley of Death was part of a nomadic route used by the Evenk people, from Bodaibo to Annybar and on to the coast of the Laptev Sea. Right up until 1936, a merchant named Savvinov traded on the route; when he gave up the business, the inhabitants gradually abandoned those places.

Finally, the aged merchant and his granddaughter Zina decided to move to Siuldiukar. Somewhere in the land between two rivers that is known as Kheldyu ("iron house" in the local language), the old man led her to a small, slightly flattened reddish arch where, beyond a spiral passageway, there turned out to be a number of metal chambers in which they then spent the night. Zina’s grandfather told her that even in the harshest frosts it was warm as summer in the chambers.

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ilaruum

posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 01:55 AM
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Here is a summary of 2008 year expedition, not providing any links as the same text is all over RUnet. In short, no metallic cauldrons were found (presumably sunk by now), just some strange geological formations that tie this place to Tunguska. It's interesting to look at that in the light of what kneverr said about anti-meteorite defence system..

"Members of the expedition planned to detect abnormal cauldrons from a low altitude, circling over the area of the river on a light helicopter. If an archaeological version of origin "boilers" in the course of the expedition could not be confirmed, the assumption could be made on the basis of expert opinions of an undisclosed form of geological heterogeneities related kimberlite pipes. In any event, the organizers of the expedition in the Yakut wilderness hoped to get sensational scientific materials.

Eugene Troshin, leader of a group of enthusiasts, had hoped to participate in the group as well as Ivan Matskerle. But ... Life always makes its own adjustments, and ultimately only two researchers were sent. It was the pilot Sergey Ananiev and Eugene Troshin himself. At the Sergei‘s two-seat helicopter «Robinson-22", they circled a large area adjacent to the "Death Valley" region.

Instead of the expected sensations, the expedition added more fog. First, no object/archaeological sites of unknown culture were found. Secondly, it has not produced significant results studying GPS-coordinates, left by Ivan Matskerle. In these points there are round lakes, and similar lakes in the area are by the thousands. Third, the researchers did not have any sophisticated equipment, with which to check the contents of the lakes.

But in the area 200 km to the north-west from Olguydaha, the researchers found a round flat detrital mounds in the middle of the taiga. In appearance they are markedly similar to the mysterious Patom Crater (also a very interesting place), but the height is about 15 meters. (Height of Patom crater, for comparison, about 70 meters). Rubble on the hills clearly seems to have been thrown from great depth.

There is a version that the Tunguska event was the ejection of plasma substances from the bowels of the earth's crust fracture - Patom crater was the place of the ejection. It has been suggested that these mounds of rubble can be places where flying plasmoids of smaller size were ejected. One of them was named Chulym fireballs. Researchers have taken rock samples for study by scientists.

According to the researcher, if plasmoids flew out earlier, from observations of fireball emissions could well be born Yakut myth of the fiery hero Nyurgun Booture departing from the bowels of the earth after another bout with abaasy."

ilaruum

posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 01:56 AM
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One more story about some "natural phenomenon" of that place:

"However, the most interesting information obtained in the course of communicating with witnesses strange events occurring in the territory Mirninsky area. As expedition leader Yevgeny Troshin said "the mysterious wonder of Russia, many legends, perceptions among the local population, came from the third hand, but the story of one resident, supported by photographs (could not find those), has attracted interest.

During the river rafting on Olguydahu smith mining and processing enterprise, Alexander Pavlov and his 14-year-old son at 3 o'clock in the morning from 6 to 7 June, saw a strange phenomenon. At one of the banks of the river stretches many kilometers translucent dome, with a view reminiscent of the inverted pot. Around him moved luminous balls, occasionally flaring up and fading. Located on the opposite bank of the dome 50 meters from the object, ayhaltsy recorded the events on a digital camera. After a series of God knows where who took retaliatory blinding flashes tourists were forced to retreat hastily, alloyed downstream.

After examining the pictures of Alexander Pavlov, researchers in Moscow tend to think that this might be a natural phenomenon, not yet known to science. According to geologists, in the area they have found the hills of iron ore with strong magnetic properties. It is possible that in certain conditions, clusters of rocks attract water particles and ball lightning. Careful study of this place did not reveal, however, no evidence of the events described. "

Kandinsky

posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 02:46 AM
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There is a version that the Tunguska event was the ejection of plasma substances from the bowels of the earth's crust fracture - Patom crater was the place of the ejection. It has been suggested that these mounds of rubble can be places where flying plasmoids of smaller size were ejected. One of them was named Chulym fireballs. Researchers have taken rock samples for study by scientists.

Tunguska was an airburst event...a large rubble asteroid exploded before it hit Earth. The 200 square miles of flattened trees radiate outwards. Patom Crater is considered to be similar in formation, but it certainly looks mysterious...

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If anyone likes these images...save them. The 2nd image is only available on ATS as far as I know.

ilaruum

posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 03:04 AM
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Fascinating photos, thanks

I have a link to a research article about Patom crater (in Russian), can provide it if you like
I can U2U if that's a bit off topic.

As for tying Tunguska case in, I was just speculating after reading kneverr's post about anti asteroid defence system that destroyed Tunguska meteorite, maybe something simmilar is at (or near) the Valley of Death - those conus hills I brought pics of are said to (have) spit plasma/fire balls up to the sky
The metallic 'cauldrons' might be some kind of generators/parts of machine and even might lie under those hills. And I read that there supposedly is a cylindric solid object in the Patom crater too.

I don't have much time to elaborate on that, but I hope you get the idea.

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Kandinsky

posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 03:25 AM
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I have a link to a research article about Patom crater (in Russian), can provide it if you like I can U2U if that's a bit off topic.

Please do, thanks. My last hard drive died with several gigs of research pdfs and documents. No back ups!

There's a cool thread from way back by Super Slovak about the Patom Crater. I'd only just got going on ATS and loved that thread....Three Hundred Year Old Alien Spaceship? It was an illustrated color-fest....damn copywrite!

MoothyKnight

posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 03:52 AM
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what if, and I mean WHAT IF, these domes were some form of radiation cap or research device (like a force or whatever sensor). It would have to be built strong if it was the latter to survive the blast...

The radiation would also seriously f with the tree in the area making them very peculiar looking.

Edit: It most likely isn't a cap, though, since it would have to be huge.. Also, they don't just detonate nukes, there almost has to be something like those domes out there for research.

I can't explain the heat in the domes, but I can try to explain the domes. Plus someone out there throwing rocks at the thing won't do much to scratch it.. Especially if the thing is cold and frozen.

While I can't argue against the supposed chambers and stuff beneath them along with odd sightings since I haven't seen it myself, I can say that people tend to exaggerate what they see especially when they are cold, tired, and in the middle of nowhere.

If the domes are something more than old research buildings or sensors for the nuke tests, that is awesome, but otherwise, I don't see why aliens would be out there unless they were a little lost. If they wanted to hide then they would go somewhere NO humans go.

Just my 2 cents

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ilaruum

posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 05:08 AM
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Here is the link to a Russian article about Patom crater

There is some info at that link about other eight anomalous zones in Russia, including Valey of Death (Viluy), that you might also find interesting.

spikey

posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 05:49 AM
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Fascinating stuff, thanks for posting the info OP!

I love this kind of thing, because (if it's not a hoax of some type) it's actually there, a physical and substantial object(s) to study at leisure.

It could well be that they are indeed tied or connected with the Tunguska event, which as we are told is thought to have been an aerially exploding meteor.

A theory that may fit to explaining these things, and as this thought came to me without having researched this subject in any way, could well be totally wrong, but hey...

If Tunguska was an aerial meteorite explosion, huge energies and dust would be released into the atmosphere, causing atmospheric effects like lightening and plasma discharges.

These plasma electric arcs strike the ground and depending on type of strike and energies involved, will either form petrified glass like branching structures called 'Fulgurites', which are long and thin, lightening bolt shaped fused mineral structures buried in the Earth.

There is a theory, that the anomalous domed craters found in images of Mars, which i have to say is NOT a conspiracy type theory, but a serious scientific one currently being put through it's paces, may be caused by very similar processes to that of the Fulgurites.

It's thought that high energy plasma or electric arcs of large sizes are possibly responsible for these formations of domed structures, which range in size from the very small, inches in size, to the very large, hundreds of feet in size.

Maybe...this is what caused these strange structures in Siberia?

High energy plasma arcs?

Maybe the domes, over the years were modified to add a hatch opening as some of these things are reported as having.

The hardness of the domes may be explained by alloying of rare minerals during the plasma discharge. Perhaps the meteorite exploding released rare or exotic minerals as fine dust particles when it exploded, and the following plasma discharges funnelled them to ground where they alloyed with terrestrial minerals to form unique alloys of surprising hardness?

Speculation of course, now i'm off to check the whether it holds water.

Thanks again for posting, very interesting stuff.

Raud

posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:30 AM
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I must say that this topic is what I really like to see at ATS.
Great find!

Russia, in it's vast domains holds many strange and unknown mysteries. Some of them investigated by me myself! (sneaky thread baiting, I know...).

However we should really take some things into consideration here.

An expedition into this region, with no idea where to find anything is not plausible. If you are not in possession of a ZIL-29061, then maybe...

Russian folklore is very much alive just as it has always been. We have to be aware of all kinds of myths and popular stories around matters like these.
In 2009, I went to a UFO conference in the small city of Kishert. Many enthusiats were there and some told of popular Russian UFO-related legends. Most of them held information quite similar to this story and most, if not all of them, have shown no more than, at best, remaining a myth.

Before we get our panties in a knot, lets consider this an "interesting idea" more than fact. There are no facts so far and any solid information on this "Mikhail Koretsky" seems all too hard to come across. If you Google his name, all you get is the same story but in different languages...
It said story, Mikhail Koretsky is supposed to have been to the area three times, the last in 1947, and he had seen these cauldrons during all the three trips.
In 1947, photographic equipment was not that rare to own for a normal civilian, let alone someone who conducts this kind of exploring, so why are there no pictures?

This link, provided earlier in the tread sure is an exiting read, but it leads nowhere. All information given as "credible sources" and "proof" are just vague stories from unknown people and eerie sketch works. Sorry, but that doesn't quite cut it for me...

I don't want to sound like a complete Scrooge here, but weird stories from Russia are all over the web. And just the fact that they involve Russia makes our nerves tingle just a little bit extra...

I don't know what to make of it. The possibility that this could all be something very real is still there, so I am not trying to debunk this whole deal but I sure can hear a slight ringing in the background...it might just be the ol' "hoax bell" again...

Nonthelss, the hunt still goes on. I can assure you that there are reasons to investigate legends such as this, but lets remain level-headed and with the healthy sceptic hat firmly attached to our heads...

Thank you for reading

/Raud

(sorry for any typos)

aristocrat2

posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 07:05 AM
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Taiga, by the way, was the last hold-out of Admiral Kolchak, Supreme Commander of the White Russian Army against the Bolsheviks.

aristocrat2

posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 07:30 AM
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Has anyone considered that this place is the lifeboat deck of the planet?

spikey

posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 08:38 AM
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HEY!

Now that IS weird!

I had the same weird feeling of wanting to be there too.

A kind of 'drawing' feeling.

Strange.