Squares on Mars pictures

Hi there,

I just found those pics and they have some weird squares on them. they do look like buildings of some sort..

Maybe somebody can explain them

Here are the links:

look around the Crater on this one


hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu...

and this one


hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu...

[edit on 3-2-2010 by Hellas]

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[edit on Wed Feb 3 2010 by Jbird]

The pics are from January 19th, 2010

At first I couldn't see what you were referring to, but then I saw it. I just cropped out 1 area of interest from each image below...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b77049df1839.png[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2e9af60d1c72.png[/atsimg]

I've never seen that before. Is it a large image composed of smaller ones? Could the composition process result in these?

If this hasn't been tampered with then it certainly isn't natural...

reply to post by serbsta


Thank you serbsta

I thought it was post processing too, but the shapes would be identical which they aren't. And they seem to follow the Terrain, too they aren't flat

If you mean this, for example:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5ef271e28e3c.jpg[/atsimg]

Then I'd say it is an computer image file issue. Perhaps it has something to do with the way the picture is put together by the imaging software.

Edit to Add:
It seems Serbsta beat me to it


[edit on 2/3/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


To me they do seem to have shadows too. If you look at the crater and the shapes the light and shadows do fit.

I can clearly see what you mean by squares, in the first picture especially, at first I did think 'wow.. What are they'? But if you have a good look around on the first picture you can see more of the squares around the crater just below centre, I don't see the shadows you talk of though to be honest, they look flat almost recessed in some of them, I'd say this was some kind of defect in the imaging process, either that or there are whole city's up there spread out over a large area interesting find though

[edit on 3-2-2010 by Majestic RNA]

I found another one. This one has triangular shapes. How can post processing do this?

Here a crop

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/29ec43ca0100.png[/atsimg]



Source file:

hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu...

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[edit on Wed Feb 3 2010 by Jbird]

reply to post by Hellas


It might not be post-processing, but actual processing itself. It's not a usual camera on board HiRISE.

As digital artefacts are not uncommon in compressed digital images, it falls on you to show how they are not artefacts before it should be expected anyone else accept your position.

reply to post by Hellas



Could you provide the exact link of the site of these image?
What area of Mars?
Thanks

S&F.

Originally posted by Imagir
reply to post by Hellas

 

Could you provide the exact link of the site of these image?
What area of Mars?
Thanks

S&F.

I just searched through the database.

i.e. hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu...

and went from there

Unfortunately I don't know the area

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


If these squares were due to the assembly process of multiple pictures, why then isnt there "squares" in the craters or all over the place?

reply to post by Hellas


The area is in the picture name:

Name:
ppp_oooooo_tttt_ffff_c.IMG

ppp = Mission Phase:
INT = Integration and Testing
CAL = Calibration Observations
ATL = ATLO Observations
KSC = Kennedy Space Center Observations
SVT = Sequence Verification Test
LAU = Launch
CRU = Cruise Observations
APR = Mars Approach Observations
AEB = Aerobraking Phase
TRA = Transition Phase
PSP = Primary Science Orbit (nov 2006-nov 2008)
REL = Relay phase
E01 = 1st Extended Mission Phase if needed
Exx = Additional extended Missions if needed

oooooo = MRO orbit number

tttt = Target code

ffff Filter/CCD designation:
RED0-RED9 - Red filter CCDs
IR10-IR11 – Near-Infrared filter CCDs
BG12-BG13 – Blue-Green filter CCDs

c = Channel number of CCD (0 or 1)

The target code refers to the latitudinal position of the center of the planned observation relative to the start of orbit. The start of orbit is located at the equator on the descending side (night side) of the orbit. A target code of 0000 refers to the start of orbit. The target code increases in value along the orbit track ranging from 0000 to 3595. This convention allows the file name ordering to be time sequential. The first three digits refers to the number of whole degrees from the start of orbit, the fourth digit refers to the fractional degrees rounded to the nearest 0.5 degrees. Values greater than 3595 identify observations as off-Mars or special observations.
Examples of target code:

0000 – planned observation at the equator on descending side of orbit.
0900 – planned observation at the south pole.
1800 – planned observation at the equator on the ascending side (day side) of the orbit.
2700 – planned observation at the north pole.

From wikipedia.

If this is from processing then surely there are other identical examples. Since you claim it is common, then you should have no problem proving it.

It falls on you to show they are artifacts before anyone should be expected to accept your position.

Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by Hellas

 

It might not be post-processing, but actual processing itself. It's not a usual camera on board HiRISE.

As digital artefacts are not uncommon in compressed digital images, it falls on you to show how they are not artefacts before it should be expected anyone else accept your position.

The images are DTM (digital terrain model) representations. They are created by combining two different images of the same area to create a stereo view to determine terrain elevations.

The rectangular areas are artifacts from the creation of the DTMs.

Creating a DTM is complicated and involves sophisticated software and a lot of time, both computing time and man-hours.

hirise.lpl.arizona.edu...

KNOWN ARTIFACTS These are known artifacts present in some, but not all, HiRISE DTMs. They may not be present in this DTM! Look at the terrain shaded relief to detect these before using the DTM!
- Boxes Some DTMs have square areas that are usually about .5-1 m different in elevation from the surrounding areas. These are artifacts of the processing algorithms used in Socet Set ((c) BAE Systems). There may be goups of these boxes. They are almost impossible to edit out, so the user should look for such artifacts in a terrain shaded relief map before using the DTM for analysis.
- CCD seams A HiRISE image is made up of 10 individual images, stitched together along their long edges. In a DTM, these seams can be visible as long lines. These seams are difficult to remove from the whole
- Faceted areas Areas that were very bland (low contrast) or deeply shadowed with low contrast and low signal may have a "faceted" look to them. Terrain in these areas is not trustworthy.

hirise.lpl.arizona.edu...



The two images used can be found in the file name. The original images are actually better resolution.
PSP_005429_1510
PSP_005851_1510


hirise.lpl.arizona.edu...


[edit on 2/3/2010 by Phage]

man... the shapes must be really old - I MEAN ANCIENT!

looking at the second image, the squares obviously form right into the crater, meaning the crater was created on top of a preexisting pattern sequence. These could very well be an ancient urban boundary that survived the ages! The buildings are gone but their mark remains behind... a 'fossilized urban remnant' one might say.


star and flag!

I have no idea what that could be but what I do know is as a rule there are no straight lines in nature. Straight lines are man made.

reply to post by Hellas


The exact location is Hellas Basin?

They look like agricultural fields cutout of forested area to me. If these were sat pics of earth that would be a safe bet. I wish I knew enough about these things to decide for myself if these are only imaging artifacts. Someone send them over to Skipper and see what he has to say about them.

This link might help to see how the processing is done,

hirise.lpl.arizona.edu...

You can make up your own mind as to what is says.

[edit on 3-2-2010 by smurfy]