U.S. Marine 'I Killed Innocent Civilians'

War is a bitch, I have been there, done that, got the tee shirt 3 times..... I have seen humanity at its worse... There is no excuse for murdering civies in cold blood. But sometimes things go wrong. Now I dont know if thi guy is for real or not but I know it changed me, but you cant condemn a whole Army on the atios of a few idiots. Thats like condemning all blacks because a few of them our murders and rapist. Same gos with whites and hispanics, there are bad people everywhere and the miltary is no different.

Originally posted by SyphonX
Your first entries in this thread had the intent to discredit the marine and the video because it was "somehow associated with anti-Americanism". You even went on to say that, "His words are one out of hundreds of thousands, so what".. etc, etc.

Your tone, and your demeanor is what set me off.

ASS-U-mption

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by rainfall

 

Yeah check out the Youtube Category tags.

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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by mr-lizard
Hmmm...

I've not noticed ANY 'ANTI-AMERICAN' comments and accusations here...

Maybe because the murderer is American. How apt that those blind patriots are silenced when one of their own is a killer.

Yet if I had dared to claim that Americans quite often take innocent lives, then i'd be branded as an 'Anti-American.

Well first off the post isn't all about you.
Second....

This is one voice out of how many hundreds of thousands who have had totally different experiences?

I'm sure many feel the way he does and many more who do not.
Take it for what it is, a person spilling his feelings and sharing his regrets nothing more.

He volunteered remember.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by SyphonX


I don't find your smug jokes funny at all.

Like I'll lose sleep over that.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by SyphonX
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

You come in here with a rather distasteful crack at a joke, neglecting the whole point of the thread, and you leave with telling someone "they don't know how it is".

Oh please get over yourself....
I'm sorry if I've hurt your feelings. My son spent 18 months in Iraq. I got his first hand experience. I don't need to rely on a YouTube video to know what went on over there.

I'll take his word over your OPINION.

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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Acid_Burn2009

I have gigs of pictures from my 2 deploys. I may have to share a few but will start a new thread for that. Might be a nice way for the Veterans on here to get together and share experiences.

Fair enough

....

Mine is of another time and another place.
I've rarely spoken of my experiences. Everyone takes away something and many leave a part of themselves.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by SyphonX
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

With all due respect, you're sitting here telling me that, "it's not bad over there", because your son (or yourself) said so. At least that's what you were saying before. Don't try to tell me I'm now trying to attack your son's credibility just because you brought it up after-the-fact.

OK....

Show me and any reader here where I've made that statement. Or was it yet another Assumption of yours?

Lets get down to brass tacks.

[edit on 23-1-2010 by SLAYER69]

Christ almighty is this where Frank Sinatra and Ernest Borgnine roll their sleeves up and unbutton their shirts and start comparing scars and punching eachother between shots of whiskey and downing beers, while the guys in the corner who instigated the fight laugh and feel up the pretty girls?

There isnt a bad man posting on this thread, just some more out of control distraction that keeps people with the same experiences and the same good intentions and desires fighting with eachother.

Bad stuff happens, good stuff happens, some you can control other stuff you cant, but we CAN control the god damn respect we should be showing eachother.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Look at Slayer what a big man.

Your son is in the military? Oh my god that's like so cool. I wish I had the balls to sit through bootcamp, get brainwashed, and go fight for Gold Oil Drugs, I mean that is what G.O.D stands for right? Too bad I was busy making money off the stock market crash by playing against the market.

You should receive a million dollars!

You should be happy your son is fighting for a non existent entity that was made up by war mongers called Democracy when this nation is a Constitutional Republic.

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


You're right, I've displayed too much confrontation here and was way more abrasive than I needed to be.

Slayer, didn't mean to butt heads with you. I'll recognize that I misinterpreted you at various points, and I'm moving on.

I've said what I wanted to say and that's all.

[edit on 23-1-2010 by SyphonX]

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


Yes, respect. It's Hard to have a respetful tone with just words on a screen. I respect all the views contrary to my own as coming from a person capable of operating a computer. Where we discuss these problems lie the solutions.

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Look at Slayer what a big man.

Your son is in the military? Oh my god that's like so cool. I wish I had the balls to sit through bootcamp, get brainwashed, and go fight for Gold Oil Drugs, I mean that is what G.O.D stands for right? Too bad I was busy making money off the stock market crash by playing against the market.

You should receive a million dollars!

You should be happy your son is fighting for a non existent entity that was made up by war mongers called Democracy when this nation is a Constitutional Republic.

WHAT? kind of messed up statement is that? Youre saying youre part of the problem, gold, oil, drugs, ? You made money in the stock market?
I dont care how smart you think you are, you just implicated yourself as a parasite, a non contributor, a user and consumer only.

reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm


Let me ask you a question?

What have you done to preserve the Republic lately? Anything besides siting on your rear voicing an opinion online at a Conspiracy site?

Some of us live in the real world. Joining the service was a personal decision for my son. No, I have never stated I supported the wars! On the contrary [Those who know me know this to be true] I have and will support the soldiers however just like the one in the video.

He has every right to express his feelings. [Be advised He is being used like a tool to further an agenda ] I was simply pointing out that not everybody who serves kills innocent men, women and children.

but...

Many here ignore that. I'm surprised they are surprised to hear such details. For all of those who are shocked at this need to crack open any REAL history books of their choice and READ. War is hell and should be avoided. Having said that. Not every servicemen goes out gunning for Civies.

So before people go off half cocked with assumptions and opinions, remember many here have actually seen this stuff first hand. It's real life not some hypothetical situation to dissect and Analise.

You are welcomed to your opinion but was your post a reply to the OP or simply giving your opinion of me?

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On a soft green world in space,
live the spawn of an unreasonable race.
With no solution
to social pollution
they threatened the peace of the place.

Limitied by miniscule minds
they counted in only their kind
So closing their borders
with fero-cious orders,
themselves to war they did bind.

By day and by night they did fight
and together a world they did blight.
Life was their target
just meat for the market
they killed their own children for spite.

The powers that guide through the strife
and promise a much better life
are leaders who love it
spinning dreams people covet
just a back that's prepared for the knife.

The word Peace has an ominous sound
to those who make weapons abound,
for destructive devices
have big hefty prices,
Please do keep the tensions around.

Vengence is mine sez the Lord,
to mine do nothing untoward
but as long as I bless it
no need to confess it
a libation to me this blood poured.

In desert lands they do pray
to God three times every day,
the faith's defenders
in pious surrender
all others regardless they slay.

WE HAVE A COLLECTIVE GUILT

"all we are sayyyying, is Give Peace A Chance"

reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm

Your son is in the military? Oh my god that's like so cool. I wish I had the balls to sit through bootcamp, get brainwashed, and go fight for Gold Oil Drugs, I mean that is what G.O.D stands for right? Too bad I was busy making money off the stock market crash by playing against the market.

You should really look in the mirror and see what damage you are doing to the world.

Funny how do you don't have a problem filling up your gas tank with that gold oil.

[edit on 23-1-2010 by jam321]

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Look at Slayer what a big man.

Your son is in the military? Oh my god that's like so cool. I wish I had the balls to sit through bootcamp, get brainwashed, and go fight for Gold Oil Drugs, I mean that is what G.O.D stands for right? Too bad I was busy making money off the stock market crash by playing against the market.

You should receive a million dollars!

You should be happy your son is fighting for a non existent entity that was made up by war mongers called Democracy when this nation is a Constitutional Republic.

Insulting him and his son for being in the armed forces? That's really big of you. Take your huge self-inflated ego out of here. If you're so wealthy you should have better things to do. You are a worthless person.

I see that there are some vets. posting here, as well as those that have familly members that are vets. To all of you I thank you for your, and your familly's service.
In regards to the Marine in the video, I believe what he is saying. I find it horrific,
The Military is a huge organization, and has been stated it has a cross section of people. all types are represented.
Although it is supposed to be "run" by "proffesionals" they are still "human".

Alot of the problems, (if you listen closely to the soldiers) is TRAINING!! They are being tasked with duties they were never trained for. they were trained to operate in a specific way, do specific duties, then thrust into a completely differant scenario, without any training at all.

This is not meant to be an excuse, this is a simple fact. and it is abhorrent.
If you are a computer programmer and then all of a sudden you were told to operate a heavy lift crane, (because it was computer controlled) there just may be a few "incidents" (ok, may not be a great analogy, but hopefully you get the idea)

As for those that have never been in the military, no problem your views and opinions are just as valid as those that have served.

What I find objectionable is the broad strokes being used by both sides of the argument, not all in the military are "morons" not all that voice thier opinion against the war, or even the military itself are "hippies" or even "anti American"

With that being said, I do find it Ironic that some who are so eager to infer that every life is precious, will then in the next instant infer that any American soldier deserves to get killed. (obviously not those exact words used in this thread, but that is the sentiment I have gotten from a few posts)
As I have stated before I am a combat vet. I have served in one "police action" and one "war". I was fortunate enough to have fought against a true uniformed militia, both times.(enemy identification was easier)

I also agree and understand that the information in the op's vid, does need to be brought to everyones attention. But it does seem that when it is, It is made to seem as though this is the standard operating procedure for all units all the time.
And when someone with personal knowledge and experiances tries to give a differant view, they are told that they don't know the whole truth. That may be so. but it is also true for the opposing view point. Both need to be taken together, as we all know "somewhere in the middle is the truth"

I can truly only speak for myself, I find the actions of some of the troops extremely vile, and at times unforgiveable. I truly hate to hear about attrocities being comitted by the troops,
Nobody wants to hear about crimes and attrocities comitted by a member of an organization that they are, or were, proud at one time to be a part of.

Also as I (and a few others) have stated, to broadly paint a certain group with derogatory comments is in itself both arrogant, and ignorant. (again I will admit to being guilty of this myself at times)
Let us also take into account that Americans did vote in alot of the vermin that are in office. So in my humble opinion, there is enough "blame" to share, even if you "voted against....?" (how's that for a broad paint job? LOL)



[edit on 23-1-2010 by SideWynder]

reply to post by SyphonX

We've lost of a respect and credibility as a nation, and as a society, because of all this. The only way to get this back, and to regain our integrity and honor, is to expose it and recognize it.

I just find it amazing how many are intent on exposing the military dark side. Should it be done? Sure, IMO it would help clean up the military flaws at least to a certain degree. But, yet it seems like thread after thread comes out bashing US troops and painting all of them in a negative way because of a few bad incidents. It can be seen in this thread and many other similar threads.

I am not saying everybody does that, but there is an agenda in many of these type threads.

I ask you, how many civilian deaths do you, other Americans, and citizens from other developed nations have on their hands?

One doesn't have to be in the military in order to have civilian blood on their hands.

Just imagine how many innocent women, men, and children have been killed or died in order to bring us the comfortable products that we so much crave.

Imagine how many have died working under harsh and cruel conditions so that we may enjoy the best life.

Imagine how many have been killed or abused just because of our addiction to drugs, porn, modern technology, clothing, oil and many other products Americans and other developed countries are accustomed to getting for cheap.

Look at these pics of Chinese pollution. Can you deny that we are not part of the reason for this contamination and pollution? Contamination and pollution that will do harm to many innocent civilians.

www.chinahush.com...

Exposing the bad we have done in Iraq and Afghanistan is a must. But condemning every troop for these bad incidents shouldn't be part of the exposing.(Not saying you are condemning). For one doesn't have to be in the military in order to have civilian blood on their hands.

We should also expose how our American way of life and the way other develop countries live their lives is also leading to the mistreatment and sometimes death of innocent civilians all over the world.

Unfortunately, too many people are too busy pushing their anti-war agenda that they forget to look in the mirror to see the damage they themselves have done and are doing to innocent civilians simply by living the American dream.


Are we really concern about not hurting innocent civilians or does that just apply to those civilians in war zones?

reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm


Your posts, are of the type that I have been speaking of. Full of "arrogance", "ignorance" and "Hypocrocy"
I agree that you have a right to voice your opinions, that being said I will now "voice" mine regarding your posts.

1.In your post, You appear to be certain that GOD does not exist.
2.In your post, You also give the impression that you consider yourself more intelligent than those that are in the military or support the military.

I would put those two examples under "arrogance"

3.In your post You seem to have certain preconcieved notions about "boot camp"
4. In your post You also appear to have preconcieved notions about another poster and his son.

I would put those two examples under "ignorance"

5. In your post you have twice stated that you have made money off gold and oil on the stock market,

I would put that example under "hypocrocy" twice.

I may sound as if I am "flaming" you, (and I just may be) But those were excellent posts, in both content and general attitude, for me to use as an example on the type of post I was refering to in my previous posts.

I thank you sir, and hope that you have a wonderfull selfsatisfying day..

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Read the bible, it says not to kill. The soldier should have read that 1 line before joining the military , for its a choice, do what jesus would do or do what evil would do. I guess he chose evil and now regrets his choice. Remember there is not 1 cristian in the military. all are false worshipers. Its a choise like becoming a prostitute or a drug dealer or a theif --all sin, all must be held accountable. The hero worship of the soldier is another anti-christ. More deep thought should go into a decission that is anti-god or regrets will come later.

serving the country???

Serving a bank account, serving peer presure, serving expectations of tyrants, serving the fall of humanity, serving war not peace.

A real soldier should be a gardener, solving REAL problems, stopping the REAL bad guys like monsanto, etc, etc, etc.......like so many on here....

We should also be fighting for these very people, to not have to fall into the trap in the first place.

They must have been in a bad spot emotionally or financially to talk themselves into it in the first place.....they must have at some point felt they had nothing to loose...

[edit on 23-1-2010 by mellisamouse]

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
Look at Slayer what a big man.

Your son is in the military? Oh my god that's like so cool. I wish I had the balls to sit through bootcamp, get brainwashed, and go fight for Gold Oil Drugs, I mean that is what G.O.D stands for right? Too bad I was busy making money off the stock market crash by playing against the market.

You should receive a million dollars!

You should be happy your son is fighting for a non existent entity that was made up by war mongers called Democracy when this nation is a Constitutional Republic.

Look at you. What a big man.

Well, you admitted it. You don't have the nadsack to join the service, so instead, you bust on someone else, and his son, for joining.

I love ATS; where else would I find this many D-nozzles running their suck about something that they don't have a clue about.

Now go and clean your room; your mom said you're living like a meth addict again.

Originally posted by mellisamouse
serving the country???

Serving a bank account, serving peer presure, serving expectations of tyrants, serving the fall of humanity, serving war not peace.

A real soldier should be a gardener, solving REAL problems, stopping the REAL bad guys like monsanto, etc, etc, etc.......like so many on here.....

A gardener? Well, I've dug my fair share of holes in the ground, does that count?

I do like your dream of world peace, but so far, it doesn't seem to be working, huh? You need a standing Army for defence of those gardeners you speak so highly of.

Originally posted by mellisamouse
They must have been in a bad spot emotionally or financially to talk themselves into it in the first place.....they must have at some point felt they had nothing to loose...

Please, give me a break. That ol' chestnut about how people join the service because they are crazy or poor (oh, you forgot stupid, too) is a bunch of garbage. Let me guess, you believe that African Americans play great basketball when they aren't selling drugs, and Asian are all smart at school and drive like crap, right?

reply to post by itsawild1


The Bible also states that Jesus said "let those without sin cast the first stone". As well as "Judge not, lest Ye be judged"
I am not arguing with your point of view. I am just saying that, this particular Marine did something awful, and is now trying to ask forgiveness, and make amends, the only way he knows how.
So, If you are such a "good Christian" why have you condemned this "lost soul" so harshly??
And i will tell you something that is a very old "adage" "there are no Athiests in a foxhole" Those that have been there know this...
And the Militaries of the world do have a fair amount of Christians, as well as other faiths..
Wasn't Mary Magdalin a supposed "prostitute"?? and what of the disciples? weren't most not of the "upstanding type"
End of Rant. I thank you for your time and Hope that my humble words will bring you back to the grace of God. In that you are able to forgive this Marine, who is trying to seek forgiveness.

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reply to post by mellisamouse


Do you realize that what you posted is actually the hopes, dreams, and wishes, of most soldiers??
In particular the ones that have been, and seen "war" upfront and personal!!!
Yet theese individuals, that people like to demonize, are the ones that after all is said and done. Are the ones that have afforded those the opportunity to demonize them. How's that for "irony"???

I hate to "generalise" but, A soldiers greatest wish (especially a combat vet.) is to see the day when he will no longer be needed..(psychopaths excluded)

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