Crop Circles are Man Made, and here is why!

EDIT to Add this link to Chadwickus great addition to the debate. Check it out people, you know you want too.(after you read my OP that is! :lol
Crop Cricles are man made! and here is why pt.2

Crop Circles are Man made, and here is why I believe that.

There are two thread in recent days that have brought up the topic of crop circles.
This thread which features a cool video on the phenomena and makes the claim that crop circles are just too complex and too big for man to have created them and this thread asking for ATS members opinions on the phenomena.
On both these threads I noticed that Videos are presented as Evidence. In both these Threads it is the Same Man in the Videos. One video is in the OP of the first thread I linked and the second video is in this post by another member.

The Man in both these Videos is Gary King.
I believe Crop Circles are man made, and I believe there is ample evidence to explain and justify why I believe they are man made.

Gary King is a very busy crop circle researcher. And when I mean busy, I don't mean crop circle research. I mean Crop Circle Industry.
This was in August this Year.
Whiltshire Crop Circle Study group annual conference

09.30 – 10.00 Film – Video Diary of a Crop Circle Season by Gary King. From the first formation of 2009, Gary will be filming his experiences in and around the fields of Wiltshire. He will show us footage of the formations, often as one of the first people to enter them. This video documentary will follow a Crop Circle researcher in the thick of the phenomenon.

How interesting that Gary is often First to Crop Circles.

Later on that day we get more Gary.

15.15 – 16.15 Gary King – Art as Miracle. Art, in its myriad form, is all about creative expression. Gary will explore the possibility that the hidden meaning behind the crop circle phenomenon is a direct reflection of the human condition and our pursuit of meaningful expression.

This is interesting. So is Gary saying crop circles are HUMAN expressions reflecting the human condition via a meaningful creative expression, that being crop circles.

From the same conference.

09.30 – 10.00 Film – Win Keech’s exclusive presentation of the enhanced video footage shot from Knap Hill on the 7th July 2007 as the crop circle, now referred to as the 07-07-07 formation, appears below in East Field. This is his first public showing of this footage anywhere worldwide.

Exclusive Enhanced footage? Two years later?

The footage mentioned above is the same footage from both the first thread and video I linked and the second post and video I linked. Gary and Win tell us though, that all that happened was a flash of light and wham! Crop Circle.


But later in the day at the conference all three people in this video, two years old, have a re-union and talk about it again.

15.15 – 16.15 Win Keech – 07-07-07 Unlocking The Keys. After sharing his exclusive film footage at the start of the day, Win returns in this afternoon slot to share with us his research into the Crop Circle phenomenon from the past 16 years, and will recall his experience of the 07/07/07 evening. Win’s lecture will last for 45 minutes after which he will be joined on stage by Gary King and Paula Presdee-Jones, the other witnesses of the East Field formation, for a 15 minute question and answer session.

Wow, really milking it. And still going strong.


Look at how busy Gary is with Crop circles.


Just a couple of weeks ago.

8-11-09 Review of the 2009 Crop Circle Season
Speaker: Gary King
Alton Barnes This is the second of two reviews of the 2009 Season, this one is hosted by Gary King. The presentation of pictures of approx 70 formations from this year will be accompanied by Francine's insights into their meanings and their relationship to the landscape in they appeared. Refreshments are available. Usual fees apply, £3 for WCCSG Members, £4.50 Non-Members

Again this year.

20-06-09 A Day in the Field with Gary King
Facilitator: Gary King
This excursion is limited to WCCSG Members (and guests) only as limited spaces are available. By this point in the season we hope there will be a number of designs available to visit. With Gary as your guide you will be taken into the crop circles with permission from the landowners, experience them for yourself and discuss with your fellow enthusiasts the design, geometry and symbology of the formations you visit. Please bring a packed lunch and a drink with you and ensure you have suitable footwear for walking, plus appropriate clothing and protection for the weather conditions. Members must pre-book this event and may book on behalf of any guests, but bookings from Non Members cannot be accepted on this occasion. Prices are as follows: Members: £12, Non-Members: £15 plus £5 per person for the optional nightwatch.

Further information regarding a meeting place will be forwarded upon booking

I missed the conference, damn. Oh Wait!
Crop Circle DVD by Gary King

Gary King - Crop Circles: Art as Miracle. Filmed on 8th August 2009 as part of the 2009 WCCSG Crop Circle Conference, this is Gary's hour long presentation on DVD.

Product list for Gary Kings research Group

You can do this awesome tour as well. Next Year, in 2010.

Your Inner Quest for the Grail- South West England & Crop Circles, 12th July to 20th July 2010
offered by supplier M19272 (view this supplier profile)
Key Information:
Tour Duration: 13 day(s)
Group Size: 3 - 6 people
Destination(s): England
Specialty Categories: Pilgrimage/Spirituality Cultural Journey
Season: August
Airfare Included: No
Tour Customizable: Yes
Minimum Per Person Price: 2100 Pound Sterling (GBP)
Maximum Per Person Price: 2100 Pound Sterling (GBP)


Day 2: After experiencing Avebury and surrounding area yesterday, we now return to spend the day exploring the Crop Circles with Gary King explaining the phenomenon of these mysterious Crop Circles. Whilst in the circles you will have opportunities to meditate and feel the energies of these wondrous creations. Meals included Breakfast and Lunch.

Explain what mysterious Crop Circles? They haven't even happened yet! They don't mean old crop circles because they clearly state for the 2010 crop circle tour that :

Whilst in the circles you will have opportunities to meditate and feel the energies of these wondrous creations. Meals included Breakfast and Lunch.

And there is the 2010 conference already planned, where they will talk about all the 2010 circles, that are YET to appear. Now what will happen if NO CIRCLES appear in 2010. What will all the crop circle people talk about? Geez, I hope they get Circles.
Conference2010

Trade Fair offering:
Crop Circle Books and Films
Crop Circle Photographs & Pictures
Jewellry
Clothing
Health Products
Music CD's
Alternative Therapies

Crop Circles have a Crop Circles TRADE FAIR!

Just some of the Business for next year as if the Crop Circles are guaranteed! www.sacredbritain.com...
www.cropcircleconnector.com...
www.glastonburysymposium.co.uk...
www.cropcircleconnector.com...
www.wccsg.com...
www.cropcircletours.com...
www.summerlectures.co.uk...
Now, do you think they really, really, really need circles to appear. Because I do. Do you think that people will be motivated to make these circles?
Because I do.

When People on ATS say this:

They get no reward , no recognition and they go back to their homes until the next fantastic design is ready to be created in another field.
Not one of them has ever gone to the media to own up and make money .
This has got to be one of the most secret societies ever !!!

Let`s be honest...if i could make one of these brilliant works of art, i`d want some recognition .

I would really like ATS members to consider that there is plenty of motive to create crop circles, and to also create an alternative phenomena to explain these crop circles in order to make them special so as to inspire interest and mystery in these circles. You need to really question the cultural industry that has sprung up with it and those who promote and encourage that industry.
This culture is the SAME as the UFO/ET/Disclosure culture. Lots of Conferences and "experts". Lots of "proof" but actually none at all.

What I also find significant is the infusion of new age philosophies into these crop circles and the religious nature in which they are spun, with terms like awakening, ascension and such.

We have proof of man made crop circles. circlemakers.org...
We have no proof of anything else making them.
We have a lot of arguments based on complexity of design and size that are used as evidence to refute the notions that these circles are man made.
This is not evidence.


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reply to post by atlasastro


ok then...Lets see you prove it

second

EDIT: So I'm guessing those pictures are of a man-made crop circle? 9 days to complete?

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reply to post by atlasastro


Do you think that Gary would have to pay some sort of kickback to the land owners??? Surely one of them would leak eventually and spill the truth right?

Why do these thing always occur in Britain in the summer when the corn is at its highest and completely stop after the corn has been hrvested.

Summer nights in Great Britain + creative artists + interest in crop cirles = creative crop circles

reply to post by Nick_X

Thank you for your reply. It is an interesting question. I have read and heard that Some Land Owners charge people to enter the fields.
But to answer your question-
Why kill the kick back system? They have tours and such booked for next year.
Also, there is a history of fooling the public, would you own up the that?
Would you kill the trade of tourists coming into your area, staying in Bed and Breakfast, drinking and eating at local businesses etc etc.

Think, how long did Loch Ness go on for, with Locals saying the had sightings etc.

Thanks for your reply.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Maybe because Britain is a fairly packed place...not many people would get to see a crop circle if it was in a corn field out in the middle of no where...maybe the Aliens are trying to convey a message through the crop circles or maybe they just like their art to get seen like most artists do...or maybe there are in fact more human crop circle makers in Britain...it still doesn't mean all crop circles are man-made...

Originally posted by CHA0S
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

Maybe because Britain is a fairly packed place...not many people would get to see a crop circle if it was in a corn field out in the middle of no where...maybe the Aliens are trying to convey a message through the crop circles or maybe they just like their art to get seen like most artists do...or maybe there are in fact more human crop circle makers in Britain...it still doesn't mean all crop circles are man-made...

well if most are man made, what made the others? by jumping to the conclusion that aliens make the other circles is a massive leap in logic, especially when you know most are made by man. the reason they are made is because so many people are gullible enough to think the aliens are making them

Great research there mate.

So it's a sure bet we'll see more crop circles next year.

Maybe our friend Gary King is in contact with the galactic ashtar federation of light pleidians?

reply to post by woodwardjnr


What made the others? How is it a massive leap in logic to assume Aliens made them? Especially when I've seen enough evidence over the time to make me fully believe in the existence of Aliens...what else could possibly make them? It's merely connecting the dots in a logical manner...as I just said in another thread:

...it's almost impossible to prove Aliens made some of them...but I'm sure if they are all made by humans we could prove it couldn't we? So go ahead...

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reply to post by atlasastro


whoa

I just looked at that Circlemakers.org for the first time.

They pretty much take complete credit for all the crop circles ever made - they even share information and tips on how to make them yourself.

On that website, they even mentioned, that if 240quid of crop gets flattened, the farmers charging 1quid for entry to the farm will end up making profit anyway.

Probably the coolest thing about the guys that do the crop circles...is that being in an open field in the middle of the night....is the Perfect time to view Strange Lights and UFOs

I honestly don't blame them for doing what they do. They have fun with it, they promote free thinking, they generate business for their region, they meet with each other and share a bond....and it's an outdoor activity, not just a bunch of people hanging out in a chat room all night. They are going outside, and doing something together.

I see nothing wrong with that at all.

reply to post by CHA0S

Thanks for the challenge CHAOS.
Read my post bro. The proof is there.


I believe crop circles are man made. My post has links to MEN who make crop circles.
My post has links to MANY MEN making loads of coin of Crop Circles.
My Post is full of links as to why these Humans would want to make these circles and also why they would endeavor to have YOU and I believe they are NOT Man made.
My post has pictures showing the phases of complex crop circle making.

To shut me up, simply show me a crop circle made by other sources other than MEN. Not suggest it was not made by Men.
I don't need to suggest Men exist, because they do.
I don't ned to suggest they make crop circles because I have evidence that they do.

You, on the other hand, do need to suggest that the alternative explanation exists and you need to suggest the proof that they made the circles. So, my friend, you need to prove it, not me.
Pretty simple dude.

I have evidence that MEN exists, and That they Make Crop Circles.
I don't need to prove that.
You need to prove that they Don't make them.
And you need more evidence than simply suggesting it is to hard or too complex.
You need to stop assuming that all crop circles just suddenly appear, and show that actually happening.
Please spare me Gary Kings Video. I have seen it and it shows nothing, like the plethora of other Videos.

Thanks for stopping by with your challenge.
My thread is about why I think they are man made, if you would like to discuss that, and why I am wrong, that would be appreciated.

Originally posted by CHA0S
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

What made the others? How is it a massive leap in logic to assume Aliens made them? Especially when I've seen enough evidence over the time to make me fully believe in the existence of Aliens...what else could possibly make them? It's merely connecting the dots in a logical manner...as I just said in another thread:

...it's almost impossible to prove Aliens made some of them...but I'm sure if they are all made by humans we could prove it couldn't we? So go ahead...

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The evidence provided by the OP suggests with some proof that Crop circles are man made. There's no evidence that aliens create these things as we have no concrete evidence aliens are communicating with humans, in any form, let alone crop circles, which are an anual occurrance in Britain. I imagine when the season starts again, we will be seeing posts of this nature with the latest pic of a crop circle in a whiltshire field being acredited to the work of those pesky aliens. ALL the evidence leads to them being man made. You have no evidence for them being of Alien origin.

reply to post by Chadwickus


Thanks Chad.

Dude, this is no B.S., I am going to Europe at the end of June next year and I was seriously trying to work out how I could fit in some time and dollars and hit the UK summer and actually try and look into it.

I have a really cool idea for a doco. But anyway, I'll keep dreaming.

Nobody can say 100% crop circles are all man made or 100% all made by aliens,,of course theres proof that 'some' are man made and 'some' have just made people scratch their heads in amazement because of the size/detail and time they were created,so of course theres a high possibility 'some' are made by aliens.I just see the ones that really dont believe it could be aliens maybe are just scared to admit it could be another being from another planet.In this day and age it cant be totally ruled out.

Crop circles get more precise and bigger every year,lets see whats created next year and the possibilites whether the new ones are man or alien made.Before long man will be spotted if they are doing every single one in the world.

reply to post by CHA0S


Maybe because men make them and they make money of them. And maybe some of them do it for fun, because we humans like doing that. Maybe new age religious people like the idea of crop circles the same way Christians think Lourdes heals sick people.
Maybe people who believe in Aliens are really desperate to believe we are being contacted and others exploit that by making crop circles.
Maybe.

reply to post by atlasastro

So, my friend, you need to prove it, not me.
Pretty simple dude.

As I said...how hard would it be for me to prove Aliens made them? I'd need to essentially prove the existence of Aliens...you on the other hand have proved nothing but the fact that SOME are made by man...but you have yet to actually prove some of the most complex and mind blowing crop circles have been made by man...that's why I thought the challenge I linked was a good idea...I'd like to see some one actually publicly replicate one of these mind blowing circles with matching precision and perfection and ...prove once and for all it can be done...if you could replicate some things like unbroken stalks, weaved stalks, extremely high radiation levels and a lack of any human presence such as footprints...I'd be impressed...

I have evidence that MEN exists, and That they Make Crop Circles.
I don't need to prove that.

Yes...you do...and your point?

You need to prove that they Don't make them.

haha...do I? Is that what it'll take?

And you need more evidence than simply suggesting it is to hard or too complex.

Video footage of weird lights appearing where crop circles appear? Extremely high radiation levels? Unbroken and weaved stalks? Lack of human presence? Or how about I just go catch an Alien red handed?

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reply to post by Nick_X


Thanks Nick,

It is an interesting site. I too understand why people do it, I also understand why others will not accept what I believe.
I love crop circles and there are very valid reasons to question the nature of these circles and I think that questioning extend to the culture that promotes and encourages a belief in ET/Ufo and other explanations.

Thanks for your thoughts.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


That is what got me going too. looking at Circle Connector sites and the research groups that all come out of the UK.
Most of the "experts" come out of the UK.

You raise some great points.

Thought I would add my 2p to this.

In the pictures phase 1 and phase 2, I think it is possible that man could have done these crop formations. Phase 3 is a different story, I will explain. It would be a logistical nightmare to organise the amount of people and that sort of time frame to make this very detailed formation. Not oly that if these were done by man the there would be formations with errors in them ( lines not parallel and out of square formations. But the ones Ive seen on the net are near ferfect.

Personally I dont know what it is, It could be a big money making scheme by the farmers to get people there and charge them a few pound to see the crop circles. I also heard a theory on balls of light making the formations. I hhave also scene a video on youtube of MOD at the site of a formation trying to scare people away from the formations. If it was man making them then why would 2 unmarked helicopters turn up at a site?



Also in one of the videos on youtube they have stated that crop circles are all over the world

Gareth

No matter how much evidence you use to prove your point, there are some who just wont believe. As you pull one crop circle apart, they'll happily skip on to another circle and ask you to prove that, and another and another...

You may as well argue that ships in bottles are actually done by aliens as well, since you can't prove every single one of them wasn't. It's obvious that such intricate work can only be done by teleporting the ship into the bottle after its construction, with technology that's not available at the moment!

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I've given up on the whole crap circle stuff. It's a waste of time.

To me, they're a decent piece of geometry art, pushed out by people who enjoy what they do, and are good at it. It's folk art, if you like, for the 20/21st century, and you're right some folks are making money out of it, and well done to them for doing so!


To be honest, I hope its never truly proven! Lets just giggle at them as they giggle at us. Each pointing at the other and calling them silly for believing such outlandish thoughts.


I fail to understand why it's actually under the tag of "Aliens and UFOs" when there is no evidence that either have been involved in the production.
Would be brilliant if the mods also realised this and created a crop circle forum to dump this in - just a thought!

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