Clas Svahn Interview ~ UFOs in Sweden

Fascinating interview with Claus Svahn - head of UFO Sweden.

BoA:Audio once again goes global as we welcome Clas Svahn, head of UFO Sweden, for his first-ever American radio interview. We'll be discussing, in amazing detail, the world of Swedish Ufology. We'll find out about some of the key UFO cases in Sweden's rich history such as the 1808 mass UFO sighting, the 1933 phantom lights flap, the famous Gosta Karlsson case, the ghost lights of 1946, the 1958 Domsten close encounter case, Project Argus of the 1970's, the 1984 Minsk case, the 1999 UFO "crash" in Sweden, and many others. Clas will also give us his first hand perspective on the birth & evolution of UFO studies in Sweden, including how Sweden was a major player in the very early days of the modern UFO phenomenon, the reaction of the Swedish military and government to UFOs, how the media coverage of the phenomenon has changed over the years, and what the everyday Swede thinks of UFOs.

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This is a realy interesting interview and covers a great many Swedish UFO cases -Clas also talks about the incident described in this U.S. Government document where an unknown object 'makes a crater' in a Swedish lake.

Cheers.

Swedish UFO Files:

UFO Sweden releases 18,000 Swedish UFO reports to the public domain.

A Swedish UFO-organisation will make it easier for the public to look through their files. A 250 square meter archive will open its doors to the public during the weekend of May 9-10 2009. It is located in Norrköping and contains approx. 18000 files from Sweden and several thousand documents related to Denmark, Norway and the US. Clas Svahn from "UFO-Sweden" has allegedly stated that the reason why the documents have not been shown before is due to the lack of personnel. But now the organisation has hired a part-time employee. Clas Svahn has highlighted a case where a couple saw a cigar-shaped object land and sink in a lake in 1980 in Norrbotten. The incident was apparently reported to the Swedish military.

"Besides the 18,000 Swedish cases are thousands of cases from Denmark and other Nordic countries. Thousands of US cases on micro film are too included. The archive (Norrkoping) will be open to the public domain starting with May 9-10, 2009.

The chairman of UFO Sweden Clas Svahn mentions one case of special interest, a case from 1980. A cigar shaped UFO submerged itself into a mountain lake and never came up again according to witnesses. Svahn comments, "it may still be there, since the lake never been monitored by divers."

"There was a great interest," said Clas Svahn at UFO Sweden.

A Swedish pilot in a Draken plane was flying over Småland in a training exercise in the 1970s. He received the order to break the exercise and fly towards an unidentified object lying still on the water.

As he approached the object suddenly shoots straight up - and the pilot takes up the chase. Despite full speed the pilot soon loses the object and it is never identified.

The event which confounded the pilot, is just one of the reports recorded in the world's largest UFO archive in Norrköping in eastern Sweden.

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Claus Svahn dicussing UFO sighting in Sweden:




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Archives for UFO Research ~ founded in Sweden in 1973

Sweden is supposed to have the world's largest UFO archive, with over 18,000 Swedish reports, pictures and foreign reports!

But the problem with UFO Sweden is no one does anything,not one of them have the time to digitize these documents and pictures Welcome to AFU

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The archive is now closed once more, as the association works on a voluntary basis and does not have the time to do more than show the archive to, for example, researchers.

Sweden's got Billy Meier but no digital UFO archive


Zelong.

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If anyone is wondering what he is talking about in that youtube video, he talks about what the two objects seen in the clip may be. He mentions that they can not be reflections because they move independent of one another, and that he has ruled out both birds and insects. He then states that the clip is special because it's shot in broad daylight.

Originally posted by karl 12
Fascinating interview with Claus Svahn - head of UFO Sweden.

Thanks for posting all this very interesting information karl 12,
I did not read much about Sweden UFO cases so far, so this interview will be certainly a welcome opportunity to give it a boost.

BoA:Audio once again goes global as we welcome Clas Svahn, head of UFO Sweden, for his first-ever American radio interview. We'll be discussing, in amazing detail, the world of Swedish Ufology. We'll find out about some of the key UFO cases in Sweden's rich history such as the 1808 mass UFO sighting, the 1933 phantom lights flap, the famous Gosta Karlsson case, the ghost lights of 1946, the 1958 Domsten close encounter case, Project Argus of the 1970's, the 1984 Minsk case, the 1999 UFO "crash" in Sweden, and many others. Clas will also give us his first hand perspective on the birth & evolution of UFO studies in Sweden, including how Sweden was a major player in the very early days of the modern UFO phenomenon, the reaction of the Swedish military and government to UFOs, how the media coverage of the phenomenon has changed over the years, and what the everyday Swede thinks of UFOs.

I already downloaded the MP3 so I definitely go listen to it.

S&F

Thanks for the replies (and the translation work).

Found the paragraph in this document very interesting regarding the visit by the USAF to the Swedish Air Intelligence Service:

When officers of this Directorate recently visited the Swedish Air Intelligence Service. This question was put to the Swedes. Their answer was that some reliable and fully technically qualified people have reached the conclusion that "these phenomena are obviously the result of a high technical skill which can not be credited to any presently known culture on Earth." They are therefore assuming that these objects originate from some previously unknown or unidentified technology,possibly outside the Earth.

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SpaceVisitor, think you'll like the interview matey - its one of the more interesting ones I've heard on the subject and describes some very strange goings on.

Cheers.

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The only thing I have against Clas Svahn is that he's a sceptic at heart, and if you ask me, not really interested in the phenomenon. It's just a job to him (it seems).

On a sidenot, the 1946 ghost lights are pretty cool. Basically in 1946 and a few years after that, a -lot- of people saw unexplainable flying objects in the sky, and these supposedly crashed into a bunch of swedish lakes.

The theory so far is that the former USSR was testing some long distance missiles on swedish lakes. Supposedly some were found, and one even blew up over swedens third largest city, causing a lot of glass to shatter, but the whole incident was under tight wraps, so nothing was ever leaked as far as I know.

Edit: Huh, just read that document. Guess I popped the bubble on it a bit. Sorry.

[edit on 17-11-2009 by Drexon]

Originally posted by Drexon
The theory so far is that the former USSR was testing some long distance missiles on swedish lakes.

Well, that certainly is a theory - Richard M Dolan's (excellent) book 'UFOs and the National Security State' goes into quite some detail about the ghost rocket phenomenon:

While the Swedes,Norweigans and Danes investigated and clamped down ,Britain and America provided some assistance. On August 23rd,British radar experts,back from Sweden, submitted secret reports to the British Government on the origin of the rockets.

Their conclusion: the objects were not of Soviet origin.

The scientific advisor to MI6, Prof R.V. Jones found it doubtful that "the Russians were supposedly cruising their flying bombs at more than twice the range that the Germans had acheived".

On September 9th the British Air Ministry's Directorate of Intelligence (Research) summarized the main features of the ghost rocket phenomenon and included eight types of sightings.

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Its also interesting that,as well as Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark, ghost rocket reports were also coming in from Portugal, France, Tangiers, Italy, Belgium, Greece and India and witnesses numbered in their tens of thousands -many described luminous cigar type objects which gave off no vapour trail and were completely silent - the objects were reported to be seen in formation, breaking formation, manoeuvering and hovering.


Famous Greek physicist Dr. Paul Santorini (the developer of the proximity fuze on the first A-bomb) also investigated the phenomenon for the Greek Government and makes some interesting comments about the objects not being missiles:

Dr. Paul Santorini, on UFOs over Greece in 1946.

]In a 1967 lecture to the Greek Astronomical Society, broadcast on Athens Radio, he first publicly revealed what had been found in his 1947 investigation. "We soon established that they were not missiles. But, before we could do any more, the Army, after conferring with foreign officials (U.S. Defense Dept.), ordered the investigation stopped. Foreign scientists (from Washington) flew to Greece for secret talks with me." Later Santorini told UFO researchers such as Raymond Fowler that secrecy was invoked because officials were afraid to admit of a superior technology against which we have "no possibility of defense."

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Cheers.

[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

Originally posted by karl 12

Originally posted by Drexon
The theory so far is that the former USSR was testing some long distance missiles on swedish lakes.

Well, that certainly is a theory - Richard M Dolan's (excellent) book 'UFOs and the National Security State' goes into quite some detail about the ghost rocket phenomenon:

Hi karl 12.
I don’t have that book yet, but I listened a few days ago to a very interesting interview of him about it on Coast to Coast with George Knapp.

Richard Dolan - UFOs and National Security State Coast to Coast - Aug 23 2009

I highly can recommend it to you.

Originally posted by spacevisitor

Originally posted by karl 12

Originally posted by Drexon
The theory so far is that the former USSR was testing some long distance missiles on swedish lakes.

Well, that certainly is a theory - Richard M Dolan's (excellent) book 'UFOs and the National Security State' goes into quite some detail about the ghost rocket phenomenon:

Hi karl 12.
I don’t have that book yet, but I listened a few days ago to a very interesting interview of him about it on Coast to Coast with George Knapp.

Richard Dolan - UFOs and National Security State Coast to Coast - Aug 23 2009

I highly can recommend it to you.

Spacevisitor,its a mighty fine book -will certainly check that interview out.

Don't know if you've seen this one before but its a great presentation from a few years back where he talks about the dangers of Government UFO secrecy.
He makes some very interesting points including one in which he states NORAD is a major player in the collation of UFO data for the Pentagon - its a great shame both institutions are totaly exempt from Freedom of Information Act.



How UFO Secrecy Has Damaged American Society

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As for the great many Swedish UFO incidents - found this excellent thread by Serbsta which goes into more detail about the ghost rocket sightings -it also mentions something known as the the Njurunda fragments:

World War II: Secrets of the 'Ghost Rockets'

Cheers.

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What is it with people always confusing Switzerland and Sweden, it's getting ridiculous..

Originally posted by TheLaughingGod
What is it with people always confusing Switzerland and Sweden, it's getting ridiculous..

Who's done that then?

Originally posted by karl 12

Originally posted by TheLaughingGod
What is it with people always confusing Switzerland and Sweden, it's getting ridiculous..

Who's done that then?

Ah yes Billy Meier.

Clas Svahn speaks about the archived UFO related newspaper clipping collection from the U.S. - Barry Greenwood's collection alone consists of over 240 volumes:

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In the middle of the 1960s, numerous articles about UFOs and flying saucers could be found in American magazines, many of them being just as interesting today as when they were written. Then the UFO phenomenon was taken seriously and no self-respecting magazine could avoid discussing it.

The collection contains lots of fascinating reading, and it’s hard not to get stuck for hours with them. Most comes from the Ohio-based magazines Cleveland Free Press and Cleveland Plain Dealer, but there are also hundreds of other sources from all over the U.S.

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[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

More on the Swedish Ghost Rockets:

Many sightings were of elongated, cigar-shaped, objects. On May 24, 1946 at 2 a.m., for example, several Swedish witnesses saw a wingless cigar shaped object, a scant 300 feet above the ground, spurting "bunches of sparks" from its tail. The object moved at the speed of an ordinary airplane. On the 31st, just before noon, a wingless huge metallic cigar was seen moving rapidly at about 1,000 feet altitude. From these kinds of descriptions, the objects acquired the name of "ghost rockets." It soon became clear, however, that these could not be conventional rockets. In the first place, they left no exhaust trail. Secondly, they were almost always silent. Thirdly, many of them moved too slowly to be rockets. Fourthly, they were often seen in formation, breaking formation, maneuvering, or hovering. Finally, the longest trajectory recorded by observers was 1,000 kilometers: this was three times the range of the German V rockets. Strange rockets, for sure.

Still, the Swedes, Americans, British, and other interested parties (which included just about everybody) looked into the possibility that these were Soviet missiles of some sort, constructed with the help of their cache of German scientists from Peenemunde, the home of the V rockets. Many investigators realized even at the time that this was so unlikely as to be nearly impossible. Still, few could rule it out completely. To this day, however, there is no evidence whatsoever that the objects were of Soviet origin.

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More reading on the Swedish Ghost rockets taken from the Rockefeller Briefing Document

Incident:

On 14, August,1946 at 10 a.m. a Swedish Air Force pilot was flying at 650 feet over central Sweden when he saw a dark, cigar-shaped object about 50 feet above and approximately 6,500 feet away from him travelling at an estimated 400 mph. The missile had no visible wings, rudder or other projecting part; and there was no indication of any fuel exhaust (flame or light), as had been reported in the majority of other sightings.

"The missile was maintaining a constant altitude over the ground and, consequently, was following the large features of the terrain. This statement casts doubt on the reliability of the entire report because a missile, without wings, is unable to maintain a constant altitude over hilly terrain.

Statement:

"I would like to say that everyone on the committee, as well as the chairman himself, was sure that the observed phenomena didn't originate from the Soviet Union. Nothing pointed to that solution.
On the other hand, if the observations are correct, many details suggest that it was some kind of a cruise missile that was fired on Sweden. But nobody had that kind of sophisticated technology in 1946."
Air Engineer Eric Malmberg - Secretary of Sweden's Defence Staff committee

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More on Swedish UFO reports.

UFOs over Sweden

In May 1954, Mutual news commentator Frank Edwards (now a NICAP Board Member) reported an item from Stockholm:

"Swedish military authorities sent special crews into north Sweden where scores of residents have reported strange glowing objects maneuvering over forests at low altitude during the week of May 10... Military men who have seen the things say they were not planes of any type."

After the crew of a Swedish airliner reported a wingless circular UFO over southern Sweden December 17, 1953, the defense department ordered a full scale investigation. Capt. Ulf Christiernsson, former RAF pilot, said: "It was an entirely unorthodox, metallic, symmetrical and circular object." The UFO was seen speeding over the town of Haessleholm in the main commercial air lane between Stockholm and Copenhagen.

In 1961 Mr. Sven Schalin, aeronautical engineer in Linkoping, became NICAP Adviser for Sweden. In his acceptance letter, Mr. Schalin stated: "UFOs very definitely have been sighted also in this country. A 'flap' seemed to occur around January 1959, the whole period starting perhaps in July 1958 and ending about June 1959. Obviously the Swedish Intelligence Center in Stockholm knows what is going on but the usual debunking policy is strictly followed."

During Operation Mainbrace, extensive naval maneuvers in the North Sea on and about September 20, 1952, UFOs were sighted in the vicinity on several occasions. On the 20th, a silvery disc of metallic appearance was observed passing swiftly over the Allied fleet. Wallace Litwin, an American newsman onboard the aircraft carrier "Franklin Roosevelt," took three color photographs of the UFO. As far as is known, the pictures have never been published and no explanation of the incident was offered.

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The world's largest UFO archive - Norrköping, Sweden:


Does anybody speak Swedish?

Originally posted by karl 12
The world's largest UFO archive - Norrköping, Sweden:


Does anybody speak Swedish?

Interview transcript - (kindly translated by Oderint)
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The archive is 220 sq.meters, has around 11000 books, tens of thousands of journals, 18000 reports, newspaper clippings, tapes and videos.

Q: How come the worlds largest archive is here in Norrköping?

A: That's because there are so many idealists who have decided to build a giant archive. We work towards giving the world as a whole good information.
Guy number two: We're kind of in between the total skeptics and the naive believers. We talk about the third way of ufology where we thoroughly investigate and research this phenomena.

Reporter:
Claus thinks the interest around UFO's is big, but there are still many who don't dare to step forward and talk about things they've seen.
Claus: I think it's a little bit stigmatized still, a little shameful maybe to talk about things you might not understand yourself.

Reporter:
The archive of ufology was started in '73 and is run entirely on a volunteer basis.
She goes on to say over a hundred people have worked on it via some programs by government...stuff, I guess Sorry, I'm not Swedish so some things are hard to translate, but this doesn't sound too important anyway.

Woman at desk:
I'm registering a magazine called "UFO magasinet" (The UFO magazine) from USA. I've become even more interested and read a lot about these phenomena right now.

Reporter:
How many people do you think you will continue to give work to?
A: That depends on time and money, of course. We could have 20 full time employees here if we had the funds. There is so much to do.

Reporter:
Within a year, all the reports, all 18000, will be on a free database online

Claus:
It will result in us finding more answers, but there will always be a small percentage we will not find the answers to.
Reporter:
Can you be happy with that?
Claus:
No, I always want to find the answers.

Hehe. I had a discussion with him before I left for Canada to hunt down the Niagara Falls UFO. He was 100% convinced it was just a weather phenomenon, despite never seeing one acting quite like this before.

Guy's.. well, not a fraud, but definitely not too bright if you ask me. He jumps to conclusions too fast based on too little information, at the very least. I think he's subconsciously a debunker.