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Originally posted by theflyingscudman
I would ask you to somehow prove there are as many millionaires as paycheck-to-paychers in the ascended ranks, then I would retract any correlation between power and prestigious membership in Freemasonry.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
Moving on.
I am of the opinion that the masons who don't fly in private jets are generally the non-psychopathic type.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
The practice of selective advancement is not at all out of the question when dealing with secret societies, right?
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
So leave what you and everyone else you know in masonry has to say about nefarious goings on gathered by peer to peer heresay[sic] at the door.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
After seeing what the Freemason apologists have to say, they really paint the whole thing as it looks in small towns.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
Just a generally nondescript building where the movers and shakers get together for potlucks and bingo night, donating time at the local animal shelter or erecting a playground.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
Maybe going on school building missions in Kenya or dropping supplies in Afghanistan. This seems to be the consensus of the apologist and generally all of the societies active in public(Knights of Columbus, Shriners, BPOE, and whatnot).
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
In fact, my mother was conducted into the ranks of the Knights of Malta. This was for her work in natural family planning, her outspoken involvement in the catholic church, and some aid she's given to our African friend's school. Great people all around. At the banquet after the knighting, she introduced me to the most active and powerful men in the room, he'd been doing high risk relief missions to all the major war zones for at least 20 years. He was harried, no doubt.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
After talking to him over about an hour, I got the impression that he was up against a lot of internal pressure to cease his actions, though he made clear these actions weren't necessarily his humanitarian deeds.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
His uppers seemed to be a bunch of bastards, and he was one of the few in the whole room(maybe 1000 big shots from all over the country) who knew about this problem and actually cared.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
This is just an example of the nature of a closed society.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
You can reach a glass ceiling if you refuse to capitulate or just appear to be a guy who would balk at evil ideas.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
From what I can gather, the various high rankers from various orders kind of mesh towards the top, each little iteration unaware of affiliation with other societies thought to be separate.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
Anyone who is in on the game is implicit,
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
therefore probably not going to squeal due to some amount of leverage against him.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
It is perfectly understandable that low level, or even high level innocents in the masonic structure would be indignant about claims of skulduggery, but I still don't think anything they've convinced themselves to say will be a good reference point.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
Who or what would I believe? Hard evidence would be nice, maybe opening up everything the entire order has ever done, throwing some daylight on it, but this will never happen willingly.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
So, this leaves whistleblowers, all of whom have be panned by active masons responding to "outrageous claims."
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
The sheer denial of perniciousness is itself a denial of the possibility of corruptionm,
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
which comes of as condescending, if not naive. If you guys out there calling us nuts would admit that there is very likely stuff going on that they aren't powerful enough to know, then the debate will move forward by leaps and bounds.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
And the whole condescending bit about me and people like me having our minds made up before we began, the same could be said about the accusers, that is just some blatant word sorcery, which apparently is one of the masonic mysteries taught once within the ranks.
I see your games, yes I do!
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
"duder"... sweet, that is such an awesome American slang term, I find myself calling most people duder when I can't remember their name.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
Ah yes, we were talking about something.
First, the bit about power and monetary gain, I would ask you to somehow prove there are as many millionaires as paycheck-to-paychers in the ascended ranks, then I would retract any correlation between power and prestigious membership in Freemasonry. Moving on.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
I am of the opinion that the masons who don't fly in private jets are generally the non-psychopathic type. The practice of selective advancement is not at all out of the question when dealing with secret societies, right? So leave what you and everyone else you know in masonry has to say about nefarious goings on gathered by peer to peer heresay at the door.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
After seeing what the Freemason apologists have to say, they really paint the whole thing as it looks in small towns. Just a generally nondescript building where the movers and shakers get together for potlucks and bingo night, donating time at the local animal shelter or erecting a playground. Maybe going on school building missions in Kenya or dropping supplies in Afghanistan. This seems to be the consensus of the apologist and generally all of the societies active in public(Knights of Columbus, Shriners, BPOE, and whatnot).
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
In fact, my mother was conducted into the ranks of the Knights of Malta. This was for her work in natural family planning, her outspoken involvement in the catholic church, and some aid she's given to our African friend's school. Great people all around. At the banquet after the knighting, she introduced me to the most active and powerful men in the room, he'd been doing high risk relief missions to all the major war zones for at least 20 years. He was harried, no doubt. After talking to him over about an hour, I got the impression that he was up against a lot of internal pressure to cease his actions, though he made clear these actions weren't necessarily his humanitarian deeds. His uppers seemed to be a bunch of bastards, and he was one of the few in the whole room(maybe 1000 big shots from all over the country) who knew about this problem and actually cared.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
This is just an example of the nature of a closed society. You can reach a glass ceiling if you refuse to capitulate or just appear to be a guy who would balk at evil ideas. From what I can gather, the various high rankers from various orders kind of mesh towards the top, each little iteration unaware of affiliation with other societies thought to be separate.
Anyone who is in on the game is implicit, therefore probably not going to squeal due to some amount of leverage against him.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
It is perfectly understandable that low level, or even high level innocents in the masonic structure would be indignant about claims of skulduggery, but I still don't think anything they've convinced themselves to say will be a good reference point.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
Who or what would I believe? Hard evidence would be nice, maybe opening up everything the entire order has ever done, throwing some daylight on it, but this will never happen willingly. So, this leaves whistleblowers, all of whom have be panned by active masons responding to "outrageous claims."
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
The sheer denial of perniciousness is itself a denial of the possibility of corruptionm, which comes of as condescending, if not naive. If you guys out there calling us nuts would admit that there is very likely stuff going on that they aren't powerful enough to know, then the debate will move forward by leaps and bounds.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
And the whole condescending bit about me and people like me having our minds made up before we began,
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
Asking a mason if masons are pernicious is stupid and listening to a masonic apologist is even worse.
Originally posted by theflyingscudman
the same could be said about the accusers, that is just some blatant word sorcery, which apparently is one of the masonic mysteries taught once within the ranks.
I see your games, yes I do!
This is where it gets juicy. On my last invitation to eat dinner, I had a VERY srange vibe pulsating through all my body. It did not feel right. When it was time for the guests to leave (those interested in freemasonry) so that the real meeting would begin, I was not shown the way out like before, no one shook my hand except my friend and his dad. What his dad said was very interesting aswell. "Whatever you do in the outside world, do it with good heart." And that was that.