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The 49-year-old suffered multiple organ damage during the Oct. 8 ceremony at a resort near Sedona, a resort town 115 miles north of Phoenix that draws many in the New Age spiritual movement.
Authorities were treating all three deaths as homicides, but no charges have been filed.
D'Evelyn did not provide a city of residence for Neuman, but public records showed an address in Prior Lake, about 25 miles southwest of Minneapolis.
Neuman was among more than 50 people crowded inside the sweat lodge run by self-help guru James Arthur Ray. An emergency call two hours after they entered the l
When you do ceremony, you can not have money on your mind. We deal with the pure sincere energy to create healing that comes from everyone in that circle of ceremony. The heart and mind must be connected. When you involve money, it changes the energy of healing. The person wants to get what they paid for. The Spirit Grandfathers will not be there. Our way of life is now being exploited. You do more damage than good. No mention of monetary energy should exist in healing, not even with a can of love donations.
At this time, I would like to ask all nations upon Grandmother Earth to please respect our sacred ceremonial way of life and stop the exploitation of our Tunka Oyate (Spiritual Grandfathers).
Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
reply to post by Jehoel
I've never even heard of this kind of thing before this story broke and I've been wondering what a true pouring would involve. Can you enlighten me? Also, what did this guy do wrong (besides charging for it)?
Originally posted by masqua
As a person who has been to a few sweatlodge ceremonies I can honestly say that charging money for it is 100% AGAINST the principles involved.
It shouldn't be free, however, and 'gifts' are often presented. They may take the form of a handful of native tobacco or some other useful item. My personal gifts have been small woven baskets for storing herbs, but NEVER have I gifted cash.
These people who charged immense sums for the opportunity to experience what I have had the pleasure of are nothing short of shysters and the ceremony itself is pure 'snake oil'. It's been corrupted by greed.
If people feel a need to experience a sweat, then there is only one way... present yourself to a healer and request the traditional ceremony. Don't be afraid to ask what is expected and presume nothing, but if there is a call for cash, walk away.
Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
reply to post by Jehoel
I've never even heard of this kind of thing before this story broke and I've been wondering what a true pouring would involve. Can you enlighten me? Also, what did this guy do wrong (besides charging for it)?
Edit to add:
reply to post by DaddyBare
That makes me want to cry.
[edit on 18/10/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]
Originally posted by DaddyBare
Because of the abuse, misconduct and bastardization of our ceremonies and to remind of the proper protocols, a statement was made in March 2003. We Native people would seek legal recourse against any persons claiming to be recreating our rites... sadly this man slipped threw our fingers by claiming what he did was new age and not a tradishional Native ceremony...
Originally posted by resistor
Originally posted by DaddyBare
Because of the abuse, misconduct and bastardization of our ceremonies and to remind of the proper protocols, a statement was made in March 2003. We Native people would seek legal recourse against any persons claiming to be recreating our rites... sadly this man slipped threw our fingers by claiming what he did was new age and not a tradishional Native ceremony...
As a person with some Choctaw heritage I have always been interested in understanding my ancestors. I’ve come to realize that the greatest gift God has given my fathers people is that of spirituality. I have to wonder though when my cousins seek recourse in Western law. Why would you choose to fight on the enemies terms? Governmental law will never favor those it seeks to oppress. The history of the treatment of aboriginal Americans makes this abundantly clear.
My point is that in my opinion seeking recourse through legal channels is playing into the hands of those who wish to dominate you. It may be necessary at times, but it can never be the spiritual path. Use that ability that God has blessed you with, there you will find the advantage that no man can take from you.