Yet more (definitely) inappropriate toys for kids

When they introduced the Breastfeeding Doll I said "I can see how this would be okay." I stuck up for the toy industry. I thought S&M Barbie was kind of cute. But this is ridiculous.

A sister to the Pole Dancing Kit for 6 year olds, Gizmodo has released an image of a pole dancer doll. Just like Miley Cyrus.

I can't find much information on this toy, and I can't imagine it will get very far. But I felt it was appropriate to the growing list of possibly/probably inappropriate toys for young girls.

Why on earth would anyone think this was a good idea? What happened to Doctor Barbie and Dentist Barbie and Veterinarian Barbie, that let girls dream about having more acceptable careers?

[edit on 8/30/2009 by ravenshadow13]

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S & F

You've asked the questions

I'm asking the same questions


Time the manufacturers provided some answers


Can only hope parents read your thread/post and ask the same questions
as you have -- and then put the 'aw cute' thing back on the shelf (or maybe step on the abomination accidentally .. )

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OK, 2012 can't come soon enough! I found every link in the OP not just inappropriate, but downright disturbing! Thank the Gods that my daughter is already grown up! What the Blue Hell is becoming of society??? Do the makers of these 'toys' (and I use the term loosely) have any kids of their own?!?!?! Simply unbe-frakkin-lievable!!!

BEAM ME UP, SCOTTY! THERE IS NO INTELLIGENT LIFE HERE!

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I just don't think anyone in their right mind would buy this toy. Unless their kids ask for it because of Miley or who knows what else. One article, I think the one on Babble, commented and said it might be bought because it's ironic, like these Nipple Tassles on a Toddler T-Shirt.

Whaaaaaaat?!

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Really I did try to support some of the others. I thought about it, there was the breastfeeding doll and some other toy... I don't remember. I know they recalled those vibrating broomsticks but I saw these Ticklehands the other day...

I really tried to stuck up for creativity and innovation but I'm getting a little worried.

Unfriggin believable! Do people have any brains anymore? I mean, it's scary how society is turning out. This is unacceptable!

Appropriate thread/discussion in light of the Jaycee case

the sexualisation of children

There have been many warnings and alerts about the situation in past years

Hopefully, people are seeing past the debatable 'cuteness' factor and are beginning to put their thinking-caps on

I was in a thread last night where several people stated they believed there was nothing 'wrong' with children searching for and watching porn online

those claiming to be parents stated it their belief that 'interest in sex' was normal, natural and healthy -- and also claimed 'I did the same at their age, only the porn I sought and pored over was in magazines' or words to that effect

And this is how it goes, drip, drip technique (and the 'opinions' of supposedly 'ordinary folk' in forums are often not all they seem .. yes, lots of people post-for-pay)



People are programmed by advertising and the media generally to 'accept' porn as natural, normal, harmless, healthy.

whereas it could be argued that porn often leads to addiction

Imo, pornography debases all concerned: the performers, the audience

Hopefully, parents are watching as the sexualisation of children gathers pace (and it won't stop until it's stopped) and deciding their home can live without tv .. without movies with their constant sexual content .. without internet too. And certainly without slut-dolls underneath the Christmas tree

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Reminds me of the old SNL skits with Dan Akroyd



edit to delete link, copyright issues with youtube. . .

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OK, the 'Tickle Hands' are suitable, it would be the adult mind that perverts that one. But the tassle teeshirt is downright disgusting! I can hear it now! "Hey little Susie, what do you want to be when you grow up?"

"I want to be a Hooker and makes lots of money laying on my back!"

Excuse me, I just threw up a little in my mouth!

oh jeez...

Ya

That is a tad bit disturbing to say the least

I can only imagine a young girl broaching the birthday gift request to some fortunate father.

[edit on 30-8-2009 by mental modulator]

I really can't see this toy going very far. What's next, instructional videos??

Remember that episode of South Park? Wait... let me find it.

www.southparkstudios.com...

Right. Very appropriate for this thread.

I dont think there is anything wrong with releasing these types of toys.

If these toys didnt sell, they would crash and never be seen again. Someone is buying them, and obviously its not a 6 year old child, because if they can afford them, their parents have much more to worry about then pole dancing.

Dont blame the manufacturers, blame the parents who buy this toys for their children. People sell whatever there is a market for, if there is a market for this, so be it. Let it be up to the parents. I for one would never let my child near these things, maybe the S&M barbie, but just because I need an excuse to play with it myself.

But really, what your saying is blame Durex because there are underaged kids having sex....its the same arguement. blame the parents.

Stupid spoiled whore,,, video playset,,, show the whole world what a slut you are...

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
I really can't see this toy going very far. What's next, instructional videos??

Remember that episode of South Park? Wait... let me find it.

www.southparkstudios.com...

Right. Very appropriate for this thread.

It's all part of the plan to create a "Brave New World" if you know what i mean...

prescription drugs

acceptance of death

sheeple accepting their place in society

and of course, the sex part (In the book, if you read it, no one has a husband or wife. Everyone just sleeps with anyone they want.)

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I've lately realised the importance of opposing anything I believe to be propaganda, regardless of whether or not the poster intends it as such.

And this 'blame' game diffuses the issue


Many know (but there are more who do not) that an industry now exists around online 'opinions'

People are PAID to post in forums just like this and thousands of others

Sometimes, it's referred to as 'Editorial Intelligence' .. whereby companies solicit contracts from industry, government, manufacturers, authors .. you name it

For a sum, these 'editorial intelligence' organisations will provide x-number of people who will post in forums, for example, in favour of the client's product or agenda

In other instances, these 'posters-for-hire' will flood the Editorial columns of online newspapers

As a certain group controls virtually all media worldwide, they play along and select the supposedly 'genuine'(not genuine at all) comments-for-pay -- whilst removing those which do not cater to the client's agenda


Overall, these 'editorial intelligence' organisations PROMISE .. GUARANTEE ... that by utilizing 'posters-for-pay' and 'comments-for-hire', etc. (particularly online, these days) that they CAN and WILL ... 'shape and form opinions'.

Again ... they PROMISE they CAN and WILL SHAPE and FORM opinions

That's your opinion. My opinion. Your child's opinion. Your neighbour's opinion, etc.


Sometimes, they shape and form opinion via 'soft sell' ... posts and comments that appear to have NO agenda ... but which urge you to give benefit of the doubt to supposedly 'innocuous, harmless' products, idealologies, trends, behaviours

At other times, they employ hard-sell .. the emphatic, the loud, the dominant (think Israel here, when it's denying it's latest atrocity, despite that video evidence is everywhere)


The sexualisation of children is being promoted via 'soft' and 'hard' sell and every variation between. But it never stops. It seems they want the world to accept children as sex-objects .. and for children to regard themselves as sex-objects. And to this ends, they are producing objects such as 'pole-climbing Barbie' and other sex-training objects, movies, commercials, etc.

In order to silence critics and those attempting to warn parents with more money than sense .. these 'comments for hire' will attempt to ridicule, discredit and accuse opponents to the agenda. They will accuse opponents (spelled 'those who genuinely care for children's welfare and future) of being 'dirty minded' .. of being 'old fashioned' .. of being 'sexually frustrated' .. of being 'repressed'.

They will claim sexually-explicit toys and other products as 'healthy', as 'natural', as 'normal', as 'fun', as 'harmless', etc.

They WILL, if you allow them, 'form and shape' your opinions .. they're paid to. A lot is at stake and it's not ALL about profit for them, although that's part of it, as always



[edit on 30-8-2009 by St Vaast]

Originally posted by mental modulator

Stupid spoiled whore,,, video playset,,, show the whole world what a slut you are...

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
I really can't see this toy going very far. What's next, instructional videos??

Remember that episode of South Park? Wait... let me find it.

www.southparkstudios.com...

Right. Very appropriate for this thread.

Thank RS that episode was right on whore off

I don't know... is it that terrible? You might give kids the idea it's OK to pole dance. Why *isn't* it OK to pole dance? The US is so puritanical it had a collective cow when it *appeared* that Janet Jackson flashed a bit of nipple on Prime Time TV.

We're OK with our kids wanting to be president or an astronaut. But what about "exotic dancers" or sex workers? In some countries prostitution is legal, and there is little stigma attached to working as a prostitute. Maybe we should lighten up a bit.

Having said all that, I admit that I don't have any kids. If I had a daughter and saw something like this, I'd be horrified, too. Easy for me to be all objective about kids wanting to be sex workers, but if it were *my* kid, I'd freak out. So I can see the point parents might make.

Still - if you don't like the doll, don't buy it. I'd be mighty surprised if anyone bought this kit for a child. I could see it as a gag gift for a bachelor's party or something, but I can't imagine anyone seriously getting this for a kid.

OTOH, we live in a world where someone kidnapped an 11-year-old girl and held her prisoner for 18 years...

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No, I will not pass the buck and 'blame the parents' .. not 100%, probably 50% at most


And here's why:


marketing works this way: it creates the desire -- then it caters to the desire it's created

Very simple. They boast about it. It's what they're paid to do. And it's very effective.

Here's an example: in Indonesia, millions are dirt poor. Many live in converted, large converted boxes, taped together. Documentaries show them all the time. They earn their living by scrabbling through mountains of filthy, stinking, rat-infested, smoking garbage. They seek used toothpaste tubes, carboard packaging .. anything that can be re-used. For this (often working 14 hours a day) they receive a few cents or dollars a day.

All this was shown in a documentary aired a few years ago. The film-crew selected a family considered typical of these garbage dump dwellers (they live on the edge of the garbage-mountains).

The young wife and her several children were cramped in a low construction made of packing cases, cardboard, tin. Dirt floor. No furniture. No education. The husband spent his life picking through garbage along with thousands just like him. Exhausting, filthy 'work' for next to nothing reward.

The film-crew asked the wife to show them the contents of her shopping bag when she returned home. She produced a tube of Colgate toothpaste. A jar of Nescafe instant coffee. Some packets of international-label biscuits. A few vegetables to make into a thin soup for the evening meal

The film-crew asked why instead of these hugely expensive Western items (toothpaste, coffee, biscuits, etc), she had not instead bought relatively inexpensive and much more vital vegetables and fruits at the local markets.

The young woman pointed to the family's pride and joy .. the television. It was literally a family-SHRINE. It dominated the cardboard box 'home'.

The young woman replied, very earnestly and sincerely: ' Because Colgate is important for our tooths. And the coffee is very healthy .. it gives us energy and makes us feel happy '. Same with the biscuits and other Western products. (she was just repeating the tv commercials' claims. And because they were 'western and good', she'd believed every word. Western products were to her the ultimate status-symbol. Her bedraggled kids were soaking up all this 'wisdom')

She explained to the film-crew that she had learned the 'benefits' of Western products from the television.

Her ambition, she said, was to 'go to America' and live in a big house and have unlimited access to all those wonderful Western products, in the same way the Americans she watched non-stop on her tv did

After another shot of the woman's husband as he fought and crawled through filth mountains, searching for used toothpaste tubes and other items and after showing him staggering exhaustedly home with his few cents in order his wife could buy more 'superior' Western products, the film-crew next interviewed the manager of a marketing corporation in one of Indonesia's large cities.

' You run commercials for items like Nescafe and Colgate all day long on tv' said the film-crew, ' Yet this is such an impoverished society. They can't afford homes or education or staples. Yet you're advertising items which cost more than their entire disposable income. How come? You must be working at a loss. And how come these severely impoverished households nearly all have a big television ? '

The marketing guru smirked. Smirked. He couldn't help himself. Because he was going to reveal what he clearly believed to be the 'genius' theory behind it all.

He explained that the televisions were hugely subsidised .. no deposit and low weekly repayments. The poverty-stricken would rather starve than lose their tv, he explained, so they always paid the repayments. Television gave them hope, dreams, a view into a world they longed to enter .. western-society. Tv was all that kept them going, millions of them. Oh yes .. they would always find money to for the low repayments, one way or another. Anyway, he added .. the tvs were superceded models from the west, although the Indonesians weren't aware of it. They believed they had 'latest technology'.

As to the rampant advertising on tv of Western consumer items such as Nescafe and Colgate .. yes, at the MOMENT, he said, sure .. they were running at a loss.

BUT, he said .. there were tens of millions of Indonesian consumers out there, soaking up the tv commercials .. wanting those items.

' Through our advertising, we create the desire' he smirked. ' Then -- we cater to that desire '. In other words, they were creating a massive future market for the goods.

The old 'supply and demand' --- although in this, as in most cases (here in Western countries as well) it's more a case of 'Create the demand. Then satisfy that demand '.

By producing pole-dancing slut-dolls and displaying them on supermarket shelves .. in tv commercials --- they are 'advertising'. Kids see the slut-dolls. Parents see the slut-dolls. Commericals will no doubt portray the slut-dolls as 'cute' and 'see how she twirls around and around '. And they'll probably use innocent looking little kids in the commercials, giggling as they afix the slut-doll to the pole and then twirly, twirly, she spins around, with the camera focused on slut-doll's innocent-looking round baby eyes .... ' aaaawww .. aint' it KEWT ? '.

The commercials won't focus on the sexuality. They won't insert clips of a real-life pole dancer with her tired, dead eyes and meat for sale. No .. they'll present the slut-doll as 'cute', 'innocent'.

And kids will see the commercials. And other kids they might know from school will already have one. And then the other kids will want one. And they'll beg and whine. Parents will say, 'Oh what the hell, it's just a doll. Tell her she can have one for Christmas if she still wants one by then. Just shut her up from whining, I've got a headache and need to get my tax completed'.

Would the child have wanted the slut-doll if it had never been created and advertised on 'child-time tv ' ? Nope.

Would the parent even consider buying their child a slut-doll if THEY hadn't seen in on tv and hadn't been whined at by their child ? No

So I won't 'blame the parents' 100%. Any more than I'll blame those poor Indonesian peasants 100%. They're stupid, sure. But they've been programmed to be stupid by those who have most to gain from lack of discernment and basic thoughtlessness .. call it 'stupidity' if you like.

I blame the bastards with the agenda. And the agenda NOW is, the sexualisation of kids. They've achieved everything else they set out to do .. destruction of the family unit, introduction of drugs, misogynistic rap, binge-drinking teenagers, proliferation and wide acceptance of pornography, degradation of women (and by extension, of men, of children) via 'stars' such as Pamela Lee Whatsherface and her massive inflated boobs and examples. Photos of Perez Hilton and others climhing in and out of cars sans underwear. Sure .. they've got the unthinking world's populations attention firmly in their groins.

And now they're going after kids. Been going after them for quite a while, actually.

They are creating the desire and acceptance. Then -- they will cater to that desire, seeing it will have BEEN 'accepted as normal, healthy, harmless'.

So I blame Them -- those with the agenda. I blame Them first. Then I blame the parents (those who comply with the agenda) and their easily-compromised sense of morality



[edit on 30-8-2009 by St Vaast]

The only thing I can say is that both the husband and I bursted up in laughter and I cannot emphasize the chuckle we got out of this OP


Hmmmm, slut barbie, missed this one!


Granted, we do not have kids yet but we are in the process of trying Would I think differently if we had a toddler? don't think so!


It's all about marketing and generating money, I am surprised that those type of toy didn't come about sooner, it is not like humanity is the moral compass of this galaxy. There is a market for everything and I think that one selling her virginity on e-bay should have sounded alarm bells way before slut barbie or pole dancing doll came around.

DO I think it is a hoot, I sure do, would I buy it for my kids? no, not really for I would rather teach them those things then have them taught by novelty toys.

Then again, with a conspiracy mind point of view, it might be only testing the water on how the western world has becomed numb to those type of things. Just the fact that those toys are chain made should speak for itself, whom ever authorized those makes me think of the movie Dogma where a bunch of execs are in that room, almost selling their soul, no moral compass at all beside worshiping their golden calf and trying to and by what ever means to generate more $$$ None the less, there were board meetings on is it ok to first, produce such a toy/s, and second, on how to market it.

I have been part of several market survey group/panel to earn a 50 bucks here and 70 bucks there and considering that those toys were marketed and a company injected some dollar$, it is because they knew that the market is out there and that the survey groups were in favor of such toys.

As to the thing as "is it right or is it wrong" It all depends on how high or how low one's threshold of morality stands at.

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Personally as a legal adult I think pole dancing, stripping, lap dances, and consensual prostitution are fine.

But not for kids.

That's where the line is.