The Cross of Nero is EVERYWHERE

I was walking through the mall and noticed the Cross of Nero everywhere. It is on clothes, jewelry, cars, backpacks, games, buisiness signs - it's on every other commercial on televison!

Cross of Nero

Peace The Cross of Nero is now more commonly known as the Peace Sign, although many who see it are completely unaware of its origin or even how it came to symbolise 'peace'. The Cross of Nero is an inverted cross, broken at the anchor of the cross and enclosed in a circle, representing Nero's vision. Nero believed there would be world peace without Christianity, as a consequence of which thousands of Christians were martyred under his rule. This symbol is also known as 'The Dead Man's Rune', and can be seen on the tombstones of some of Adolf Hitler's SS troops.

Hippie Van The Cross of Nero did not come to symbolise peace until the late 1960s / early 1970s during The Cold War (a period of tension and competition between the United States and the Soviet Union and their allies from the end of WWII until approximately 1990) when 'flower-power', created by the 'hippie movement', was at its height. It was often worn as a necklace and could be found as graffiti on walls throughout the country. The ‘hippies’ also painted their individual forms of transport, old Volkswagen Dormobiles in particular, in bright colours and flowers, but more significantly with the peace symbol.

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I'm beginning to think that the Cross of Nero symbolizes secularization which is defined as

of or pertaining to worldly things or to things that are not regarded as religious, spiritual, or sacred

Is the peace sign a symbol of the New World Order? one in which religion will not be tolerated? If the Cross of Nero symbolizes an upside down, broken cross of Christ then it may also not only symbolize rejection of Christ and Christianity but also of all religions. Have you noticed how saturated our society has become with the upside down cross?



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I can't say I have seen it anywhere other than the back of a hippy wagon! Havn't seen it on TV or in any Movies!

Maybe thats because im from a different country...?

The origin of the modern peace sign is described here:

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The sign is a stylized superposition of the flag-semaphor signals for N and D, the initials of "nuclear disarmament," the name of the political objective of the first people to adopt the sign.

I would welcome a link to any document or art work that anyone might have showing the motif to have been in use in the First Century.

1. At the time of the first-century persecution of Christians, the symbol now used as a symbol of peace was called the Neronic cross. Tradition tells that Nero, the hater of Christians, had Peter crucified head downwards. They 'symbol of peace' thus signifies an inverted cross and is a symbol of hatred against Christians.
2. In the eighth century, the Saracens fought in Spain against the Catholic church. Their warriors had the Neronic cross on their shields when, in 711, they began their march of conquest over the Iberian peninsula. The same symbol of hatred against Christians was used again by the Saracens when they fought against the Crusaders in A.D. 1099.
3. Throughout the Middle Ages, the Neronic cross-known in many places as the pentagram-served as the symbol of the black mass, satanic cults, and blasphemy. In the gruesome ceremonies of the secret cults, use was also made of an image of the devil carved out of wood, with eyes in exactly the shape of the Neronic cross. One of the wooden images may still be seen in the museum of sorcery and satanic cults in Bayonne, France.
4. It is in the twentieth century that the peace symbol has had its most varied history. The arch-communist Bertrand Russell designed a symbol for a peace march by leftist groups in 1958. He used the historic Neronic cross, because he himself was a determined opponent of Christianity…
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Is the peace sign a symbol of the New World Order? one in which religion will not be tolerated? If the Cross of Nero symbolizes an upside down, broken cross of Christ then it may also not only symbolize rejection of Christ and Christianity but also of all religions. Have you noticed how saturated our society has become with the upside down cross?

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you are taking the sign completely out of cultural context for your own dogmatic purposes. In context of our culture, that is a symbol of PEACE. Much love the dove or the olive branch.

These days its trendy to flash peace signs because we are in the middle of two failed wars. I for one welcome this trend. Lets give peace a chance again.

But sure, taken completely out of its culural context, I can see how you can spin your anti-christian conspiracy into it.

Could it represent some sort of pie chart?

The two big parts being the US and China?

I dunno.

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you are taking the sign completely out of cultural context for your own dogmatic purposes. In context of our culture, that is a symbol of PEACE. Much love the dove or the olive branch.

Thank you, feedpeopletosharks, for proving my point that Nero's cross has become secularized rather than religious.

Here are some pictures of coins from Nero's time:

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and here is some cultural context for you:
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I don't see a peace sign in any of those coins.
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Here we see a cross of Saint Peter at a church in Colchester, England - notice how it is upside down representing the position that Nero hung Peter on the cross:
Cross of Saint Peter

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How interesting. The coins feature X's, a bird, and trees. No "peace sign."

The cross of St Peter is not your cross of Nero, and is not a "peace sign."

Your "cultural context" doesn't look First Century. 20th or 21st, no?

That doesn't help you.

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I don't see anything in the OP's "evidence" that resembles a peace sign . . . I do see the direct correlation to semaphore symbology. Also, doing a quick search semaphores brings a load of info on the creation of the symbol.

Does the OP have a "peace sign"/"cross of nero" uncovered in the archeological record?

If so, I'd love to see a link to that.

EDIT - for grammar

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Come now OP, there is nothing of evidence that you have provided here.
The coins, as pointed out by others, had no 'peace' sign. I even think that the poster who commented on the origin of the sign as it relates to nuclear diplomacy is closer or if not in fact true when relating to the subject of the peace sign.
If you produce a picture of first century art relating to Nero, I will humbly retract this post and change my knowledge accordingly.

"The symbol's origin in history proves it to be the visual mystic character for 'Aum' (the split 'Y'). This is the sacred word to Hindu. Chanting 'Aum' is supposed to help awaken 'the serpent power of Brahma' at the base of the human spine. Occultist Albert Pike also identifies this symbol as mythical in his book on Freemasonry, Morals and Dogma. The peace symbol is actually a cross with the arms broken. It also signifies the 'gesture of despair' and the 'death of man'."

"The Germatic tribes who used it attributed strange and mystical properties to the sign. such a 'rune' is said to have been used by 'black magicians' in pagan incantations and condemnations. To this very day the inverted broken cross - identical to the socialists 'peace symbol' - is known in Germany as a 'todersrune', or death rune. Not only was it ordered by Hitler's National Socialists that it must appear on German death notices, but it was part of the official inscription prescribed for the gravestones of Nazi officers of the dread SS. The symbol suited Nazi emphasis on pagan mysticism."

"With the arms of the cross raised in an upright position, it is 'a Pythagorean emblem of the course of life, in the form of a rising path with fork roads to Good and Evil. It also signifies fertility but with the arms pointing downward, it denotes evil and death."
"In fact, the inverted 'Man-rune' - the figure encircled in the common sign which the Communists tell us means 'peace' - has for centuries been a favourite sign of Satanists."

"Anton LaVey, the founder of the Church of Satan, used the peace symbol as the backdrop for his altar."

"One former witch makes the following comment about the peace symbol : "It is an ancient and powerful symbol of the Antichrist. During the dark ages it was used in Druid witchcraft and by Satanists of all sorts during the initiation of a new member to their order. They would draw the magic circle and give the initiate a cross. The initiate would then lift the cross and turn it upside down. He would then renounce Christianity in all three dimensions of time (past, present and future) and break the horizontal pieces downward forming the design of the raven's foot. This ugly symbol is nothing short of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. For one to wear or display this symbol is to announce either knowingly or unknowingly that you have rejected Christ. Remember, symbolism is a picture language, and a picture is worth a thousand words."

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To lovers of the peace symbol, let it be known that the black pope, Anton La Vey, projects a peace symbol onto a large screen before the commencement of his satanic rites in San Francisco.

Occult ABC

Lets just ask shall we - are you a Christian ?

Lets see now, Nero, time frame, popularity of Christianity - ummmm- they were an incredibly small cult, very small, and were seen as an oddity, it was not for another 400 years that they represented any serious significance. In fact during Neros time he would have barely heard of them - The Christian cult only arrived in the last few years before his death - it is common - and by common I mean universally accepted truth, that blamed the Christians for the great fire of Rome - this is the origins of your position.

Further the fact that Nero had the Christians put to death has been the source of large volumes of Christian propaganda about the Emperor. Much of which is simply a lie put forward to discredit the man. I very much doubt he had any thought for the Christians, certainly would not have bothered to create symbols or any codified language derived from his philosophical position on them - no chance.

The crosses you are talking about were always in use - the Cross the mythical identity referred to as Jesus was simply a common crucifix - St Peter was crucified upside down as he was not worthy to be down the same way as Jesus - his own request.

So on the whole there is nothing at all to tie the Peace symbol of modern times to the activities of Nero - in stead it can simply be seen as an ongoign attempt to discredit him by disaffected Christians - the attempt to tie in the modern version which has clear and well known origins however appears to be a more insidious attempt by yourself to discredit another worthy past time - are you also an "end of times" type Armageddon Christian by chance - ?

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Sorry . . . . it's all superstitious mumbojumbo without any physical evidence.

It was designed by Gerald Holtom at the request of Bertrand Russel, in 1958.

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If LaVey uses it . . . he stole it and told his members it means something it doesn't!!

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It is not being hailed as the cross of Nero, it is being hailed as a symbol of peace, and don't worry, there are no where near as many of them 'everywhere' right now, as there were in the 60's and 70's. Along with 'Make Love Not War' signs, 'Flower Power' and lot of other anti establishment anti-war cliches. It is a symbol of truth and victory.

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Another little snippet about the peace symbol:

What later became an internationally recognized symbol for peace, was originally designed for the British nuclear disarmament movement.[1] It was designed and completed on 21 February 1958 by Gerald Holtom, a professional designer and artist in Britain for the 4 April march planned by the Direct Action Committee Against Nuclear War (DAC) from Trafalgar Square, London to the Atomic Weapons Research Establishment at Aldermaston Christan in England.[2][1] The symbol was later adopted by the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND). It was adopted by first the 1960s anti-war movement, then the counterculture, and finally the popular culture of the time.

The peace sign a.k.a. Neronic cross a.k.a. witch's foot or chicken foot or inverted cross:


is an Algiz rune:

From the beginning Runes took on a ritualistic meaning, serving for the casting of lots, for divination, and to evoke higher powers that could influence the lives and fortunes of the people. The craft of "runemal" touched every aspect of life, from the most sacred to the most practical. There were Runes and spells to influence the weather, the tides, crops, love, healing, and fertility, cursing and removing curses, birth and death. Runes were carved on amulets, drinking cups, battle spears, over the lintels of dwellings and onto the prows of Viking ships. The Rune castors of the Teutons and Vikings wore startling garb that made them easily recognizable. Honored, welcomed and feared these shamans were familiar figures in tribal circles. There is evidence that a fair number of runic practitioners were women. Runic symbols have been carved into pieces of hardwood, incised on metal or cut into leather that was then stained with pigment.

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Here the rune can be seen on the Bronze Rossete which they seem to believe was used in astrology and dates to 1104:
Bronze Rossete from Pliska

This site also has pictures of artifacts containing the 'peace sign' rune:
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Apparently, the Algiz or Elhaz rune is the rune of Life. However, it becomes the rune of death when inverted:

Inverted: There may be hidden danger waiting to ensnare you. Hasty and ill-considered actions will plunge you into serious problems. There is the danger of being swallowed up by archetypal forces, which you think to shape to your will with inadequate knowledge or preparation. This can result in damage to both spiritual and physical health.

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Found a lot of esoteric information regarding the Elhaz rune just from googling it.
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The relationship between paganism and the peace symbol is endless. I found a lot of magick and witchcraft sites that profess various things about the symbol. I even found this site that relates runes to the Fibonacci sequence which is popular with Freemasonry:
Fibonacci