Hawaii refuses to verify president's online COLBs

Hawaii refuses to verify president's online COLBs

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In response to a direct question from WND, the Hawaii Department of Health refused to authenticate either of the two versions of President Obama's short-form Certificate of Live Birth, or COLB, posted online – neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor the images released by FactCheck.org.

Janice Okubu, the public information officer for the Hawaii DOH, also had no explanation for why Dr. Chiyome Fukino's initial press release last October and subsequent press release
last week also avoided declaring the posted images to be of authentic documents.

In June 2008, Ben LaBolt,

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Today in an unrelated story, a picture of Obama's probable Kenyan birth certificate came out.

The refusal to produce proper evidence of presidential qualification by the Obama administration has caused a vast amount of various conspiracy theories that have undermined the credibility of the administration.

As I have never seen an official Obama long form birth certificate I must agree that he has not proven that he was even born on U.S. soil.

His father in fact was not an American citizen at the time Obama was born. This means that Obama is not a "Natureal Born U.S. citizen" even if he was born in Hawaii, as both parents must be U.S. citizens, and you must be born on U.S. soil to qualify as a natural born citizen, and to thus qualify to be POTUS.

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What I really don't understand about this, is why would his father have to be a natural born citizen if his mother is? And if he is the child of a natural born citizen, does that not make him an American citizen no matter WHERE he was born?

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

and from the wiki"

The requirements for citizenship, and its very definition in American statute law, have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, stating that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States."[8] To date, the Naturalization Act of 1790 has been the only U.S. law explicitly conferring statutory "natural born" citizenship. In 1795, Congress removed the words "natural born" from the law; the Naturalization Act of 1795 says only that foreign-born children of American parents "shall be considered as citizens of the United States."

So again, does it matter where he was born?

I would really like to know the truth though.




[edit on 2-8-2009 by KSPigpen]

I think that we are in for a world of hurt if this turns out to be true.

Second line, a real world of hurt.

reply to post by KSPigpen

What I really don't understand about this, is why would his father have to be a natural born citizen if his mother is? And if he is the child of a natural born citizen, does that not make him an American citizen no matter WHERE he was born?

The issue isn't so much about his citizenship status, but where he was born. To be a natural born citizen, you have to be born in the United States. My son is American because I [and my wife] are Americans. But, since he was born in Germany, he's not natural born. I know, it's a weird term.

But, there are some who say that the way that the citizenship laws were back in the 60s, his mom wasn't old enough to pass her citizenship onto her son. She was like a month shy or something. [There was something about time spent residing in the US, which his mom didn't meet either because apparently, she lived overseas or somthing.] If that is true, Obama couldn't have even been an American by birth if he was born in another country.

In the end though, the "birth place controversy" isn't so much about his citizenship status, but where he was born.

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OH MY , that can't be good.

This is funny. Funny and freaky. But still funny.
I think people are getting nervous and are backing off from
being so sure that Obama was born in Hawaii.

I wonder if Congress will regret it's bill saying 'Hawaii, place where
our president was born'.

What a bunch of inept buffoons. God help us. This scandal with
Obama might be a good thing. When it all comes down it'll wake
people up, just like the Nixon scandal woke America up.

At this point I still think he was probably born in Hawaii.
And I'm absolutely sure he's hiding his BC.
There's something there he's not wanting people to see.
That's obvious.

OMG .. what a day at ATS today!

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It says parent(s). That means both his mother and father must be U.S. citizens. That is the requirement to be president.

reply to post by mikerussellus

Yep this is pandora's box getting opened. It may be a brutal upheaval, but it must be done.

If you lie on a job application as a nuclear tech, and say you have a PHD in nuclear physics, but in reality you have a GED from an online high school, you get fired immediately.

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Well that's only partially true.

My mother can be from Mexico and my Father from the US, but I HAVE to be BORN in the US in order to be eligible for President.

Natural Born Citizens are the only ones entitled to such an office, and Obama apparently isn't.

As for this issue as a whole, it will never be solved, because Obama is not required by law to show us his BC and has signed Executive Orders that say so.

One more day in American Politics.

~Keeper

Originally posted by FlyersFan

What a bunch of inept buffoons. God help us. This scandal with
Obama might be a good thing. When it all comes down it'll wake
people up, just like the Nixon scandal woke America up.

I hope and pray that Americans can be united by this, and stay civil. If so we will be a much stronger country.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by downtown436

 

Well that's only partially true.

My mother can be from Mexico and my Father from the US, but I HAVE to be BORN in the US in order to be eligible for President.



~Keeper

Wrong! Your Mother, and Father must be U.S. citizens, AND you must be born on U.S. soil to be POTUS!!!!!!

reply to post by downtown436


Yes they have to be citizens, but they don't have to be natural born citizens.

~Keeper

Originally posted by downtown436
reply to post by mikerussellus

 

Yep this is pandora's box getting opened. It may be a brutal upheaval, but it must be done.

If you lie on a job application as a nuclear tech, and say you have a PHD in nuclear physics, but in reality you have a GED from an online high school, you get fired immediately.

Agreed. And I, for one, am not saying that he shouldn't be punished if it turns out that he is ineligable. I also did not know that both parents had to be US citizens.
But, that being said, the outrage that will occur will be devistating. Just look how people on ATS get when you criticize his policies or his campaign promises. And these people are our brothers and sisters on a conspiracy site!!!

I don't see it ending well at all.

Might be a good time to take that job in the UK after all. . . . .

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Correct.

Barack Obama's Father was not a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth, and I don't know if he is now.

That disqualifies him.

Also, It has not been proven for certain Barack Obama was born in the U.S.

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by KSPigpen

 

In the end though, the "birth place controversy" isn't so much about his citizenship status, but where he was born.

I disagree. Where he was born is critical, and his citizenship is critical. Both qualifications must be met to qualify. PERIOD.

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I completely agree. I really want to get to the truth in all of this just because it's the right thing to do but to be honest, I'm a bit scared if he turns out to be ineligible.

Like you said, if our fellow awake conspiracy theorists get as angry as they do for even speculating on the subject, imagine what the sleeping citizens will do if it becomes proven.

So a part of me hopes this is all much ado about nothing but the other part of me wants to know for sure.

reply to post by AshleyD


"
I completely agree. I really want to get to the truth in all of this just because it's the right thing to do but to be honest, I'm a bit scared if he turns out to be ineligible."

Yeah, it is really scary because of the sheer amount of ignorance we will experience.

The people that don't get it, might get the wrong idea, and go ape crap. Like I said, I hope and pray that people can remain civil.

Found this on USConstitution.Net

Natural-born citizen

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S. * There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision. Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

Given this:

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

..As long as his mother lived in the US for at least five years and was a citizen herself, wouldn't he be a natural born citizen?

Is there a question about whether ONE of his parents was a citizen that lived in the US for at least five years?

I would love to know the truth. I'm I misunderstanding the above reference material?

Edited to remove typos. (prolly still didn't catch 'em all)

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