Hitler 'could have won WWII'

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Im not disagreeing with you, but why did the Holy Roman Catholic Church have it out for the Jews? Or is this a front for the zionism? For sympathetic reasons?

And from what I understand the Jews were not thrilled with the balflour act written by the Brits. I mean 50,000 jews in 10 years with only a chance they will allow more after the ten years and the arabs agree to it? Thats not much, really. In the end, it was thrown by the wayside and the zionists pretty much low balled the occupying arabs anyway when purchasing the land... but my point is that the balfour act was not pro zionism the way some zionists would have liked....

There have always seemed to be some contention between the vatican and the Jews... this is why I don't believe the theories that WWII was about getting Jews back to the "promised land"...I think it was a more like "carpe diem" kinda thing...do it while the world has your back......



[edit on 30-7-2009 by open_eyeballs]

I'm ready to be flamed....


Hitler was a puppet of Himmler and Goebbels. Period. They were the fools that messed it up entirely. They used his charisma to get their way.

Watch some of the footage and H was obviously drugged. this has been verified that (due to various causes) he was opiate dependent.

If you read Mein Kampf, H never promoted the killing of Jews. He hated the socialist/ communists that had a certain Jewish following. He fought in the fields with German Jews. Look at the names of his early followers- german jews galore. One thing he did have an issue with Germans that were not nationalistic. I understand this entirely.

I have an issue with Americans that are not nationalistic....or English, French, or any other indigenous people that are not for their country.
( Not blindly mind you- just supporting that which makes their country better and stronger. Morally, ethically, militarily, economically, spiritually)

Had it not been for the way the Allies treated Germany after WW1 ( a family war in all respects and no different than any other war) H would have never made a pimple on the butt of history. Period.

France pulled England into the BS of WW1 because they were scared of Germany's large military and general population. France had a smaller population and military.

(I have no idea what happened to the once proud France that fielded Jean Lafitte, Napoleon and came to the aid of the Confederacy during the 2nd American Revolution.)

The world was getting scared of a UNITED Germany after WW1. They had (after the decay of the Weimar Republic) turned into a dynamo. the PTB couldn't handle this. They also thought they could control Germany and use them as a bulwark against Bolshevism. We have Bolshevism on going in all of Europe and America now with the Saul Alinsky inspired Left in power.

We have no need to fear Germany anymore. The Left have indoctrinated all young Germanic's to self-loath. (Well, almost all. Some of us are proud to carry the blood of the Northland in our veins). They have brought non-Germanics in to "de-germanise" the country. Never mind that most Germans had nothing to do with death camps. Death camps were cranked up toward the last years of the Reich by Himmler, his weird eugenics and freak "doctors". Most Germans were patriotic in that they were wanting the revival of Grosser Deutchland (Prussia). They wanted their land back. They wanted their pride back.

Had the early Progressives/NWO types not treated Germany the way they did, WW2 and Death Camps would NEVER have happened.

It could have turned out SO much better. A strong Germany (in a way the Hansiatic League could only have dreamed) and Europe. Vast advancements from German technology. Untold numbers not killed. We could only dream that (with Germany undisturbed) Stalin and Mao would be minor footnotes and their people free.

I believe we have a new Hitler/Himmler/Goebbels in power now. No, i didn't like bush either.

Let the flaming begin. History bears all that i have said (short of my opinions) as truth.

If you do flame, please be intelligent and not "knee jerker's" that spout indoctrinated BS please. I am not a nazi. I am of German and Germanic stock on both sides (volksdeutch). My Great Grandfather and his son fought in both great wars for America....likely killing their own kin at some point.

Deutchland Uber Alles. Eine Volk, Eine Deutchland.

reply to post by felonius

I have an issue with Americans that are not nationalistic....

I just wanted to point something out. And I think you might agree. I have a problem with nationalistic attitudes. Those that believe their country can do no evil because it happens to be where they live and were raised kind of invokes certain feelings and responses that are not exactly (to be coy) peaceful...?

Now, patriotism and a pride for ones people should be encouraged no matter wher you are from. Be it Germany, America, China, or even Russia... ..j/k...but there is a major difference between nationalistic pride (usually displayed with some sort of ignorance) and patriotism. I always try to encourage a patriotic approach and in most cases reject the nationalistic tendecies...Some take even a patriotic stance as a nationalistic one, but none the less, I think it is important to maintain a certain pride...

That being said, I am not fully aware of Hitlers drug issues and how much of a pawn he truly was to his financiers, but I know I have seen translations of him denouncing the hell out of Jews and blaming them for many of Germanys problems. Is being a pawn an excuse? I dont think so. (Not trying to insinuate that you are excusing Hitler or his actions)

Soldier Fred Fallnbigl to his Parents in Salzburg, 17.7.41
I wrote in my last two letters about Russian atrocities, and could fill volumes more. But a bit more from the Soviet Paradise. I'll especially tell you about things that happened in Lemberg-Tarnopol and Tromborla. Tromborla is due south of Tarnopol. I saw the prisons in Lemberg, and saw things that struck me deeply. There were men with their ears and noses cut off, etc. They had nailed children alive by their hands and feet to the wall, butchering them. The blood was ankle deep. It didn't make any difference if they were alive or dead. They doused the piles of bodies with gasoline and set them on fire. The stench was terrible. I saw similar things in Tarnopol and Tromborla. In T. seven Ukrainians were hauled out of their beds after the Germans had arrived. The next morning their bodies were found in the woods, beaten until they were unrecognizable. I have seen all of this myself, they are not matters I heard about. Feel free to tell them to others, particularly those who may still think well of the Soviet Union. I always think how fortunate we are that this scourge of humanity never made it to our country. I don't think that even years of preparation would make Germans capable of such atrocities.

Sergeant Paul Rubelt, Military Post Number 34 539 F, to Miss Grete Egger, Lebring 71, Steierark: 6.7.1941
I was in Lemberg yesterday and saw a bloodbath. It was terrible. Many had their skin stripped off, men were castrated, their eyes poked out, arms or legs chopped off. Some were nailed to the wall, 30-40 were sealed into a small room and suffocated. About 650 people in this area must have died in such ways. The stench can be endured only if one smokes a cigarette and keeps a handkerchief over one's nose. The Jews did most of it. Now they have to dig the graves. The culprits will be shot. Many already died because of the stench. In this city they even opened graves and defiled the corpses. It is terrible. One can hardly believe that such people exist.

NCO K. Suffner, Military Post Number 08 070 to his work mates
There was a gray cloud over Lemberg as we arrived. The stench was scarcely tolerable. The Russians had been thrown out of the city after a hard battle. Two hours later I found the source of the stench. The Bolshevists and Jews bestially murdered 12,000 Germans and Ukrainians. I saw pregnant women hanging by their feet in the GPU's prison. They had slit the noses, ears, eyes, fingers, hands and arms and legs of other women. Some even had their hearts cut out. 300 orphans between the ages of 2 and 17 had been nailed to the wall and butchered. After they were done with the torture, they threw the people, most of whom were still alive, into a 3 meter deep pile in the basement, doused them with gasoline, and lit them on fire. It was terrible! We could not believe that shave suffered if Bolshevism had reached us. The complainers and know-it-alls that we still have in the Reich should see this. Then they would know what pure Bolshevism looks like. They would fall to their knees and thank the Führer for saving Germany from such things. I and many other German soldiers have seen this. We all thank the Führer that he let us see the Bolshevist "paradise." We swear to extirpate this plague root and branch. Since I have some time today, I thought it my duty to write this so that my work mates at home can read it. We soldiers at the front have seen this with our own eyes. We will be able to tell a lot more later. We are fighting until final victory.

Soldier Walter Sperath writes to the [NSDAP] county office Hamburg 6 Everything I have seen of the so-called workers' paradise is everything but lovely. One should send every citizen who even slightly criticizes our efforts here. He would thank the Führer and the movement that these conditions are not found in our Fatherland. Animals by us live in better conditions than the people here. Our successes so far have been great, and we will not stop until we have rooted out this evil root and branch, which will be a blessing for European culture and humanity.

NCO Alfred Rothe, Military Post Number 27 643 to his Wife in Kostermannsfeld, Burgstr. 5: 24.7.1941
....even without the war, the people here were impoverished and exhausted. Only the bigwigs lived well in palaces. Now the people's eyes are being opened. Anyone in Germany who still does not believe in communism's terrible crimes should see for himself, and listen to the people. Happy Germany, as I always say.

Staff Sergeant Kurt Hummel, Military Post Number L 31 605 Lg Pa. Paris, to his local group Northern Russia, 12 August 1941
Bolshevist conditions are indescribable. I had never imagined that such misery was possible. People here know nothing about electric lights, radio, newspapers and the like. One can't call what they live in houses. There are only shanties with rotten straw roofs. Huge neglected fields lay around. We haven't yet found even a small shop. This is what people call the Soviet paradise. I wish the few outsiders who still remain in Germany could be shipped here. There is misery wherever one looks. One has to see it to realize how beautiful Germany is.

Shame we never hear about the soviet atrocities, its also a little suprising how the german soldiers who are suppose to have caused such atrocities are quite sickened by atrocities done by the russians ,which pale in comparisson to the atrocities the germans where acused of.

*To Be continued with the reason why they went to war with russia*


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German people!

National Socialists!

After long months when I was forced to keep silent, despite heavy concerns, the time has come when I can finally speak openly.

When the German Reich received England’s declaration of war on 3 September 1939, the British attempted once again to frustrate any attempt to begin a consolidation, and thus a strengthening, of Europe by fighting the then strongest power on the Continent.

England formerly destroyed Spain through many wars.

For the same reason, it waged its wars against Holland.

With the help of all of Europe, it later fought France.

And around the turn of the century, it began to encircle the German Reich, and it began the World War in 1914.

Germany was defeated in 1918 only because of its inner disunity. The results were terrible. After first hypocritically declaring to be fighting only against the Kaiser and his regime, they began the systematic destruction of the German Reich after the Germany army had laid down its arms. As the prophecy of a French statesman, who had said that there were twenty million Germans too many, began to be fulfilled through starvation, disease, or emigration, the National Socialist movement started building the unity of the German people, thereby preparing the rebirth of the Reich.

This new revival of our people from poverty, misery, and shameful contempt was a sign of a pure internal rebirth. England was not affected, much less threatened, by this. Nonetheless, it immediately renewed its hateful policy of encirclement against Germany. Both at home and abroad, we faced the plot we all know about between Jews and democrats, Bolshevists and reactionaries, all with the same goal: to prevent the establishment of a new people’s state, to plunge the Reich again into impotence and misery.

The hatred of this international world conspiracy was directed not only against us, but also against those peoples who also had been neglected by Fortune, who could earn their daily bread only through the hardest struggle. Italy and Japan above all, alongside Germany, were almost forbidden to enjoy their share of the wealth of the world. The alliance between these nations was therefore only an act of self-defense against a threatening, egotistical world coalition of wealth and power.

As early as 1936, according to the testimony of the American General Wood to a committee of the American House of Representatives, Churchill had said that Germany was becoming too strong again, and that it therefore had to be destroyed.

In summer 1939, England thought that the time had come to renew its attempts to destroy Germany by a policy of encirclement. Their method was to begin a campaign of lies. They declared that Germany threatened other peoples. They then provided an English guarantee of support and assistance, next, as in the World War, let them march against Germany.

Thus between May and August 1939, England succeeded in spreading the claim throughout the world that Germany directly threatened Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Finland, Bessarabia, and even the Ukraine. Some of these nations allowed themselves to be misled, accepting the promises of support that were offered, and thereby joined the new attempt to encircle Germany.

Under these circumstances, I believed that I was called by my conscience, and by the history of the German people, to assure not only these nations and their governments that these British accusations were untrue, but also to reassure the strongest power in the East through formal declarations that our interests did not conflict.

National Socialists!

You probably all felt that this was a bitter and difficult step for me. The German people have never had hostile feelings toward the peoples of Russia. During the last two decades, however, the Jewish-Bolshevist rulers in Moscow have attempted to set not only Germany, but all of Europe, aflame. Germany has never attempted to spread its National Socialist worldview to Russia. Rather, the Jewish-Bolshevist rulers in Moscow have constantly attempted to subject us and the other European peoples to their rule. They have attempted this not only intellectually, but above all through military means.

The results of their efforts, in every nation, were only chaos, misery, and starvation.

I, on the other hand, have tried for two decades to build a new socialist order in Germany, with a minimum of interference and without harming our productive capacity. This has not only eliminated unemployment, but also the profits of labor have flow increasingly to working people.

The results of our policies are unique in all the world. Our economic and social reorganization has led to the systematic elimination of social and class barriers, with the goal of a true people’s community.

It was, therefore, difficult for me in August 1939 to send my minister to Moscow to attempt to work against Britain’s plans to encircle Germany. I did it only because of my sense of responsibility to the German people, above all in the hope of reaching a lasting understanding and perhaps avoiding the sacrifice that would otherwise be demanded of us.

With the exception of Lithuania, Germany declared that those areas and nations were outside Germany’s political interests. There was a special provision in the case that England succeeded in inciting Poland into war against Germany. But here, too, German claims were moderate, and in no relation to the accomplishments of German arms.

National Socialists!

The results of the treaty, which I sought in the interests of the German people, were particularly severe for Germans living in the affected nations.

Over half a million German people’s comrades — all of them small farmers, craftsmen, and workers — were forced, almost overnight, to leave their former homes to escape a new government that threatened them with vast misery, and sooner or later, with complete extermination (Ausrottung).

Even so, thousands of Germans disappeared! It was impossible to learn what had happened to them, or even where they were. More than 160 of them were men holding German citizenship.

I kept silent about all this, because I had to keep silent! My wish was for final agreement with this state, and if possible a lasting settlement.


*Speech to be Continued*

But even during our march into Poland, in violation of the treaty, the Soviet rulers suddenly claimed Lithuania.

The German Reich never intended to occupy Lithuania, and never made any such demand on Lithuania. To the contrary, it turned down the request by the Lithuanian government to send German troops there, since that did not correspond to the goals of German policy.

Nonetheless, I accepted this new Russian demand. But that was only the beginning of ever new demands.

The victory on Poland, gained exclusively by German troops, gave me the occasion to extend a new offer of peace to the Western powers. It was rejected by the international and Jewish warmongers.

The reason was that England still hoped to mobilize a European coalition against Germany that would include the Balkans and Soviet Russia.

Those in London decided to send Ambassador Cripps to Moscow. He has clear orders to improve relations between England and Soviet Russia, and to develop them along lines England wanted. The English press reported on the progress of his mission, as long as they were not silent for tactical reasons.

The first results were evident in fall 1939 and spring 1940. Russia justified its attempts to subject not only Finland, but also the Baltic states, by the sudden false and absurd claim that it was protecting them from a foreign threat, or that it was acting to prevent that threat. Only Germany could have been meant. No other power could enter the Baltic Sea, or wage war there. I still had to remain silent. The rulers of the Kremlin continued.

Consistent with the so-called friendship treaty, Germany removed its troops far from its eastern border in spring 1940. Russian forces were already moving in, and in numbers that could only be seen as a clear threat to Germany.

According to a statement by Molotov, there were already 22 Russian divisions in the Baltic states in spring 1940.

Although the Russian government always claimed that the troops were there at the request of the people who lived there, their purpose could only be seen as a demonstration aimed at Germany.

As our soldiers attacked French-British forces in the west, the extent of the Russian advance on our eastern front grew ever more threatening.

In August 1940, I concluded that, given the increasing number of powerful Bolshevist divisions, it was no longer in the interests of the Reich to leave the eastern provinces, so often devastated by war, unprotected.

This, however, is exactly what the British and Soviets had hoped. The fact that so much of the German forces, in particular the air force, was tied down in the east made it impossible for the German leadership to bring a radical end to the war in the West.

This was the goal of both British and Soviet Russian policy. Both England and Soviet Russia wanted to prolong this war as long as possible in order to weaken all of Europe and plunge it into ever greater impotence.

Russia’s threatened attack on Rumania was intended not only to take over an important element in the economic life not only of Germany, but of Europe as whole, or at least to destroy it.

With boundless patience, the German Reich attempted after 1033 to win over the southeastern European states as trading partners. We, therefore, had the greatest possible interest in their domestic stability and order. Russia’s entrance into Rumania and Greece’s ties to England threatened to rapidly transform this area into a general battleground.

Despite our principles and customs, and despite the fact that the Rumanian government had brought on these troubles itself, I urgently advised them, for the sake of peace, to bow to Soviet extortion and cede Bessarabia.

The Rumanian government, however, believed that it could justify this step to its own people only if Germany and Italy in return guaranteed the security of its remaining territory. I did this with a heavy heart. When the German government gives a guarantee, it will stand by it. We are neither English nor Jewish.

I thus believed that I had saved peace at the last moment, even if at the cost of a heavy obligation. To reach a final resolution of these problems and to clarify Russian intentions toward the Reich, as well as under the pressure of steadily increasing mobilization along our eastern border, I invited Mr. Molotov to come to Berlin.

The Soviet foreign minister demanded further clarification from Germany on the following four questions:

Molotov’s first question:

Does Germany’s guarantee for Rumania in the event of an attack mean war with Russia in the event of an attack Soviet Russia?

My answer:

The German guarantee is broad and obligates us absolutely. Russia has never told us that it has any interest in Rumania outside Bessarabia. The occupation of northern Bukowina was already a violation of this assurance. I therefore do not believe that Russia could have any further claims on Rumania.

Molotov’s second question:

Russia feels itself threatened by Finland again. Russia is unwilling to tolerate this. It Germany ready to provide no support for Finland, and above all to withdraw the German troops in Kirkenes?

My answer:

As in the past, Germany has no political interests in Finland. However, the German government cannot accept a new Russian war against the tiny Finnish people, particularly since we could never believe that Finland threatens Russia. However, we do not want war in the Baltic Sea.

Molotov’s third question:

Is Germany willing for Soviet Russia to provide a guarantee to Bulgaria, and to send Soviet-Russian troops to Bulgaria for this purpose — although he (Molotov) wished to say that they did not have the intention of removing the king.

My answer:

Bulgaria is a sovereign state, and I did not know that, just as Rumania had asked for a German guarantee, Bulgaria has asked for one from Soviet Russia. I would also have to discuss the matter with my allies.

Molotov’s fourth question:

Soviet Russia absolutely requires free passage through the Dardanelle, and also demands, for its protection, several important positions on the Dardanelle or along the Bosporus. Is Germany willing to agree to this or not?

My answer:

Germany is ready at any time to agree to changes in the Statute of Montreux that benefit the Black Sea states. Germany is not willing to approve Russian bases on the straights.

*Speech To be Continued*

National Socialists!

I behaved as the responsible leader of the German Reich, but also as a responsible representative of European culture and civilization.

The result was an increase in Soviet Russian activity against the Reich, above all the immediate beginning of efforts to subvert the new Rumanian state and an attempt to use propaganda to eliminate the Bulgarian government.

With the help of confused and immature people, the Rumanian Legion succeeded in organizing a coup that removed General Antonescu and plunged the nation into chaos. By removing legal authority, they also removed the grounds for Germany to act on its guarantee.

Still, I believed it best to remain silent.

Immediately after this enterprise collapsed, there was a new increase in Russian troops along the German eastern border. Increasing numbers of tank and parachute divisions threatened the German border. The German army, and the German homeland, know that until a few weeks ago, there was not a single German tank or motorized division on our eastern border.

If anyone needed final proof of the carefully hidden coalition between England and Soviet Russia, the conflict in Yugoslavia provided it. While I was making a last attempt to keep peace in the Balkans, and in agreement with the Duce invited Yugoslavia to join the Three Power Pact, England and Soviet Russia organized a coup that toppled the government that was ready for such an agreement.

The German people can now be told that the Serbian coup against Germany was under both the English and Soviet Russian flags. Since we were silent, the Soviet Russian government went a step further. Not only did they organize a Putsch, but signed a treaty of friendship with their new lackeys a few days later that was intended to strengthen Serbia’s resistance to peace in the Balkans, and turn it against Germany. It was no platonic effort, either.

Moscow demanded that the Serbian army mobilize.

Since I still believed that it was better not to speak, the rulers of the Kremlin took a further step.

The German government now possesses documents that prove that, to bring Serbia into the battle, Russia promised to provide it with weapons, airplanes, ammunition, and other war material through Salonika.

That happened at almost the same moment that I was giving the Japanese Foreign Minister Dr. Matsuoka the advice to maintain good relations with Russia, in the hope of maintaining peace.

Only the rapid breakthrough of our incomparable divisions into Skopje and the capture of Salonika prevented the realization of this Soviet Russian-Anglo-Saxon plot. Serbian air force officers, however, fled to Russia and were immediately welcomed as allies.

Only the victory of the Axis powers in the Balkans frustrated the plan of involving Germany in battle in the southeast for months, allowing the Soviet Russian armies to complete their march and increase their readiness for action. Together with England, and with the hoped for American supplies, they would have been ready to strangle and defeat the German Reich and Italy.

Thus Moscow not only broke our treaty of friendship, but betrayed it!

They did all this while the powers in the Kremlin, to the very last minute, hypocritically attempted to favor peace and friendship, just has they had with Finland or Rumania.

I was forced by circumstances to keep silent in the past. Now the moment has come when further silence would be not only be a sin, but a crime against the German people, against all Europe.

Today, about 160 Russian divisions stand at our border. There have been steady border violations for weeks, and not only on our border, but in the far north, and also in Rumania. Russian pilots make a habit of ignoring the border, perhaps to show us that they already feel as if they are in control.

During the night of 17-18 June, Russian patrols again crossed the German border and could only be repelled after a long battle.

Now the hour has come when it is necessary to respond to his plot by Jewish-Anglo-Saxon warmongers and the Jewish rulers of Moscow’s Bolshevist headquarters.

German people!

At this moment, an attack unprecedented in the history of the world in its extent and size has begun. With Finnish comrades, the victors of Narvik stand by the Arctic Sea. German divisions, under the command of the conqueror of Norway, together with the heroes of Finland’s freedom and their marshal, defend Finnish soil. On the Eastern Front, German formations extend from East Prussia to the Carpathians. From the banks of the Pruth River, from the lower Danube to the Black Sea, German and Romanian soldiers are united under state leader Antonescu.

The purpose of this front is no longer the protection of the individual nations, but rather the safety of Europe, and therefore the salvation of everyone.

I have therefore decided today once again to put the fate of Germany and the future of the German Reich and our people in the hands of our soldiers.

May God help us in this battle.





*Speech By Sein Herr Adolf Hitler Fuhrer of the Third Reich*

"Step by step I have arrived at the conviction that the aims of Communism in Europe are sinister and fatal. At the Nuremberg Trials, I, together with my Russian colleague, condemned Nazi aggression and terror. I believe now that Hitler and the German people did not want war. But we declared war on Germany, intent on destroying it, in accordance with our principle of balance of power, and we were encouraged by the 'Americans' around Roosevelt. We ignore Hitler's pleadings not to enter into war. Now we are forced to realise that Hitler was right. He offered us the co-operation of Germany; instead, since 1945, we have been facing the immense power of the Soviet Union. I feel ashamed and humiliated to see that the aims we accused Hitler of, are being relentlessly pursued now, only under a different label." - British Attorney General, Sir Hartley Shawcross, Stourbridge, March 16th, 1984

"He has a supreme intellect. I have known only two other men to whom I could apply such distinction - Lord Northcliffe and Lloyd George. If one puts a question to Hitler, he gives an immediate, brilliant clear answer. There is no human being living whose promise on important matters I would trust more readily. He believes that Germany has a Divine calling and that the German people are destined to save Europe from the revolutionary attacks of Communism. He values family life very highly, whereas Communism is its worst enemy. He has thoroughly cleansed the moral, ethical life of Germany" - Viscount Rothermere

"... Hitler is one of the greatest men. The old trust him, the young idolise him. It is the worship of a national hero who has served his country." - David Lloyd George, Prime Minister and Statesman, Great Britain.

"In fifteen years that have followed this resolve, he has succeeded in restoring Germany to the most powerful position in Europe, and not only has he restored the position of his country, but he has even, to a very great extent, reversed the results of the Great War ... whatever else may be thought about these exploits they are certainly among the most remarkable in the whole history of the world." - Winston Churchill, British Prime Minister

"Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived... he had a mystery about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made." - John F. Kennedy, President of the United States of America

"Hitler's political aim and policy is directed toward attaining his goal without loss of blood. He succeeded in ascending to the highest power position in Germany with very little spilling of blood or loss of human life in a land of 68 million inhabitants. Austria was annexed without one shot being fired. The unrest in Palestine cost more lives during the past five years than that in Germany and Austria since its inception and the establishment of the Hitler regime." Daily Mail, May 20, 1938

"I believe in the Holy German people inside and outside the German frontiers. I believe in Adolf Hitler, who by the grace of God, was sent to give the German people faith in themselves once more." - Rudolf Hess Deputy leader of the NSDAP

"I think that it must be admitted that National Socialism has done a great deal for Germany. It has undoubtedly cleaned up Germany in the ordinary moral sense of the word. The defeatism, the corruption so manifest a characteristic in the days after the war has disappeared, at any rate from public view. It has given discipline and order and a sense of purpose to the great majority of young people who in earlier days did not know where to go or what they were living for." His Lordship, the Marquess of Lothian, British Ambassador to Washington, June, 29th, 1937

"The spectacle of Germany today is a tremendous experience. Fifteen years after the war in which the allied powers thought they had destroyed her, Germany is on her feet again. As compared with 1922 and 1931, when I last saw Germany, the change is miraculous. The people are confident, enthusiastic and courageous. They have recovered their morale. In 1931 the German people were going to pieces. But now they are themselves again, no doubt about that! The masses of the people are increasingly with Hitler. I have been fooling myself all along that this was not so, but now I know it is so." John H. Holmes, Pastor. Community Church. N. Y Times, July, 12th, 1935

"I am not worthy to speak aloud of Adolf Hitler, and his life and work do not invite sentimental words. "He was a warrior for mankind and a herald of the gospel of justice for all nations. He was a reformative figure of the highest rank, and it was his historic fate that he had to work in a time of unprecedented baseness, which in the end brought him down. "Thus, I suppose, must the ordinary West European look upon Adolf Hitler. And we, his close followers, now bow our heads before his mortal shroud." — Norwegian writer and Nobel Prize-winner, Knut Hamsun, upon the death of Adolf Hitler, Aftenposten, 1 May 1945

Anyone play hearts of iron? It's the ultimate what if challenge for all you armchair generals out there. Really gives you an idea of the balance of power and tech advantage germany started out with until the US and Russia came along, and even then it's a tough fight. It makes you realize how big a difference having a good strategy makes, of which hitler did not.

Of course when things got serious the PTB just stopped funding him and started sending materials to Russia.

Ok folks!!!! lets return to the fake landing on the Moon or even better to the "federation of light" from the last autumn...why they arent still here...
I see it will be more constructive, and less dangerous to your beliefs and sanity...
Sorry but from what the mayority of You say...please!! retourn to the school. I can understand all but cmmon! Somebody is quoting all speach of...Hitler seemingly, as the last and the best source of the truth... So:
There was treaty between the Germany and the Sowiets signed in the summer of 1939 by Ribbentrop and Molotow(23 august). There in secret paragraph they say about russian intervention if the polish state would cease to be. So they attacked in 17 of september (war of 39 y in Poland ended in the beginning of october,actually and the polish governement moved first to the neutral, in that conflict Romania( some of the units of Polish Army turned at once into the partisant style fighting, and one of the best organised secret state structures in the history, being continuation of the polish state from before the war started to be created) So their presumption, even on the basis of that famous treaty was not legal.
Anyway crying about the Soviets taking Lithuania, Latavia or Estonia is 100%false they know where that whole action is leading. The same lie about the victory won only by the Germans- off course there was not big chances for the polish defences, fighting in total isolation, left alone by alleged allies, and with the ways of supplies blocked( Baltic, Romanian frontier...)Anyway in the middle of that fight we were stabbed in the back by the Russians. Only in the first wave of their attack (organised in two fronts) they had about 620 000 of the soldiers. In the tanks only it was about twice as the Wehrmacht forces, in the aeroplanes twice more than the Lufftwaffe forces fighting in that operation... no chance.

Someone else declares himself as "not nazi but proud of eine Volk..." etc and ""Volksdeutsch"...really...it was taken from thr German nazis vocabulary, it was the name given to the traitors of their own nations, who declared themeselves German, very often on the fake genealogical proofs, to get some privileges reserved to the race of the "Lords"...so far so good...
Someone speaks of the post of another poster as: "the utter Nonsence"
Because: the Zionists had no time to plot ugly conspiracies-why?? "they try to survive the purges of Soviet Stalinists and the Nazis"...
Ok we will not talk about alleged jewish origin of Hitler himself, and of such a personalities of Third Raich as Goebbels , Rosenberg and Eichmann...its enough for a new thread... but in soviet Russia, in NKWD etce there was a lot of the peoples of jewish origin...Anyway we talk not about the normal poor jewish folks killed by the Hitler. Zionist were, as alweys behind the scenes...New York, London, Moscov, maybe Berlin...
Sorry for my English!At least I know what Im talking about, not as, it seems a lot of the posters here...its often not your fault, I know. It was, perhaps the only advantage of being born in Poland: I had a lot of the opportunities to talk with the real witnesses of that not so distant history, I saw a few places(not in "the History Channel or something) Yes...there was Auschwitz...
Hitler and Stalin being the british agents... well...its nearly 100% sure that Lenin and Dzierzynski were paid by the Germans. And Stalin was, in the beginning of his career an agent provocateur of the Czars secret police "Ochrana" Is it not enough?!
Maybe the british royal family works for the commies ????from what they do it should be analised as well)
Dear ATSers!!!Nothing against "the healthy racism", every nation need to have it a little, but it is not the case with the Nazi-morbid authoritarian system!! Thats all.
Sorry folks! but sometimes its better to talk about the reptiles...

Dont know if already mentioned but the ignorant Hiler choose the poorly effective V1 and V2 rockets while Goering and his scientists and engineers wanted to built massive fleets of the Messerschmitt 262 [first jet aircraft]. Maybe it was already too late, but Hitler could 've had air superiority with the 262 and could have done more effective bombardments with the jet aircraft over England and USSR bombarding airfields, industrial areas and Radar sites instead of cities[the Battle of England could've been won by Hitler].. ..He said to his generals I want bombers, bombers and bombers, your jetfighters arent worth a penny to me!! haha...dumbass





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HOI3 in a week!!! Great game, though i kind of missed TPTB-connected events. Also , you clearly noticed that playing Germany was harder then USA or even UK, not to mention USSR. It is clearly only a simulation, but it still shows good enough that once Hitler ,against his own warnings, got himself in inevitable two-fronts war after Poland partition - chances of Germany winning it were slim. Add to it Nazi approach to conquered "sub-humans" and resources problem, and it all is pretty clear.
By the way, West never send materials to Germany. USSR did. Who is TPTB then?

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Dear ZenOnKwalsky.
Even with my zeroknowledge i am still 100 percent sure that Zionism was punishable with Gulag in USSR. NKVD that you call Zionist killed a lot of people, not only Jews, by claiming they were Zionist agents. So while there were disproportionate ammount of Jews in NKVD (at least before the purges) ,it got nothing to do with Zionism. There could be Jewish criminals and murderers too.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by ZenOnKwalsky

 

Dear ZenOnKwalsky.
Even with my zeroknowledge i am still 100 percent sure that Zionism was punishable with Gulag in USSR. NKVD that you call Zionist killed a lot of people, not only Jews, by claiming they were Zionist agents. So while there were disproportionate ammount of Jews in NKVD (at least before the purges) ,it got nothing to do with Zionism. There could be Jewish criminals and murderers too.

Cousin!!!! Im only talking about what I know. And for example S. Morel still lives in Israel because Your governement refuses to give him to the polish authorities. It seems that your nick is only a camouflage because you revealed once some knowledge about WW II and about the original, historic documents in Polish...but anyway your knowledge is not 100%...
So a few facts: S. Morel was working for UB- the polish mutation /satelite of NKWD, and he tortured and killed both the German prisoners and the freedom fighters of Polish origin, imprisoned because of their oposition to Stalin. Stefan Michnik...the youngest prosecutor...sorry Im too lazy to find his real jewish name ( Schechter?)but his father was in the soviet structures and Adam Michnik his brother, who started his oppositionists career as the Trockist. About L. Trocky You can find easy enough on google... So to make the long story short- A. Michnik "kidnapped" the first independent newspaper, founded by the "Solidarność" members: "Gazeta Wyborcza"...and look there what, or rather whose agenda he is pushing now there????
And what the suprise...many of the first Israel leaders escaped from Soviet Union to Irak and then Palestine posing as the polish soldiers- with the Second Army of the polish General Anders, only to reiterate when arriving there.
Maybe it was spontanic in the most cases, but considering the WW II history when nothing happened by accident...well...If the Soviet were capable to separate from amongst their polish prisoners the most of the officers and intelectuals to kill them in Katyn, Charkow, Smolensk etc, then how they didnt recognise the activists of the Zionism, they allegedly hated?? Factions fighting inside of the communist party??possible.
Just an example...
And I dont mean that all Jews are evil- most of the times we suffered togheter, Your peoples lived in the same niche as the Poles since some time...And after some political tricks of "divida et impera commited by the Russian Empire we get even more of jewish immigrants- the "Litvaks"- russian Jevs deported from the etnic russian teritories to the part of Poland occupied in that epoque by the Russians. I think the malvolent, ungracious Zionists who try to belittle their polish host came in most part from that group...
You wrote something about helping given to the Nazi Germany from the Alies...well probably there was none, but for example after the bombings of the German industry by the Allies forces some factories they left unscathed, gues which ones?? and that is , by the way one of the premises proving the NWO conspiracy true.
About the games: in the "blitzkrieg" You will win 9 times from 10 fighting as German, against whomever you want

Czołem !!

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Dr. Joseph Farrell has written several very well researched books on Nazi secret technology and makes a convincing case that if the Nazis were a lot closer to winning WW2 than most people think. This article.
www.rense.com...
makes an even more mindblowing claim involving Nazi ICBMs carrying mini-nukes.

Originally posted by Foppezao
Dont know if already mentioned but the ignorant Hiler choose the poorly effective V1 and V2 rockets while Goering and his scientists and engineers wanted to built massive fleets of the Messerschmitt 262 [first jet aircraft]. Maybe it was already too late, but Hitler could 've had air superiority with the 262 and could have done more effective bombardments with the jet aircraft over England and USSR bombarding airfields, industrial areas and Radar sites instead of cities[the Battle of England could've been won by Hitler].. ..He said to his generals I want bombers, bombers and bombers, your jetfighters arent worth a penny to me!! haha...dumbass

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You might want to look up some of the specs on the Me-262. It didn't have the range to gain air superiority over Britain or the USSR. Even if its range had been adequate, the engines had a very limited lifespan, which would've made large-scale operation of the 262 an interesting proposition for the maintenance crews...and even more so for the pilots. Then there's the lack of a really 'strategic' bomber for the Luftwaffe to use. Hitler's 'world beating' air force was primarily a tactical aviation unit (a role at which it excelled), not a strategic power-projection unit.

Don't even *think* about "Operation Sealion". The biggest obstacle there wasn't even the British Navy...it was the Germans' own lack of transport capability.

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They were much further than a year away from a nuke. The scientists who could have built it were no longer in Germany.



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There are many theories.
Germany won, for only a few thousand of the elite under Operation
Paperclip, by playing the nuke and neutron bomb card along with a
few other intel info swaps.
Thus the rise of many nuclear explosions, the many forms of rocketry
and jet science in the 40s and 50s.
And many other amazing things as well regarded or told to us as alien.
Plus many still never uncovered or talked about.
Yet some of us know.

Originally posted by felonius
Hitler was a puppet of Himmler and Goebbels. Period. They were the fools that messed it up entirely. They used his charisma to get their way.

Himmler and Goering, not Goebbels. Goebbels was an intellectual elitist and a racist, a distorted 'idealist', like Hitler. It should be noted though, that both Goering and Himmler were well-paid puppets themselves, they could be bought while Hitler operated blindfold in his ivory tower.

in reposnse to the original question,

NO hitler could not have won the war.

The nazi party's command structure, and cultural separation from the military command almost garuntees defeat against a wel organized opponent.
Hitler was a puppet, but a puppet that took control through his force of personality.
Hitlers insitence that he be part of all military planning was a detriment to german strategy.
The allies beat better trained and better equipped troops because field commanders had the power to take the initative, whereas the nazis would let themselves be overrun while waiting for orders. This dicotomy always intruiged me,because at the unit level the german armed forces were very iniative oriented, that is what made them so effective, while at the strategic level everyone was afraid to react on thier own for fear of reprisal by the security apparatus.
This was well ilustrated by the germans not utilizing of reserve armor divisions top bottle up the normandy advance, nobody wanted anger the fuehrer by waking him, to get permision to move the badly needed assets to the front.


And hitlers propensity to abandon work on proven weapons infavor of untried wonder weapons, led one senior luffwaffe officer to report that the successful guided bomb attack on the italian battleship Roma was infact a failure. He did this because he feared that if the report of a succesful attack reached the high command that hitler would abandon proven systems in favor of yet another wonder weapon.

Besides hitler 1939 invasion of poland was 5-6 years ahead of schedual according to the people who were really behind the national socialist movement.
The invasion of russia and the attack on pearl harbor were also done before preparations were fully ready.


Hitler and his inner circle were madmen that didnt listen to those who didnt listen to those who knew what they were doing, defeat was inevatable.



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