Obama's healthcare would outlaw individual private coverage.

WTF? there is no lib on here that can argue to justify this law...how can anyone want this to happen?

It's Not An Option
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:20 PM PT

Congress: It didn't take long to run into an "uh-oh" moment when reading the House's "health care for all Americans" bill. Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal.
When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section of the bill clearly states:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law. www.ibdeditorials.com...

why would Obama want this? how can this help anyone?





[edit on 16-7-2009 by JulieMills]

Not sure, but it's very interesting. Global healthcare is my guess.

We, as American citizens, are becoming a socialist/communist country and pretty damn quick.

I have had enough of the governments s#@t as well as obamas.

I think that it is time we say enough is enough and do something about it before it is too late.

I think that it is time to petition to the government for a redress of grievances.

reply to post by kingoftheworld

We, as American citizens, are becoming a socialist/communist country and pretty damn quick. I have had enough of the governments s#@t as well as obamas. I think that it is time we say enough is enough and do something about it before it is too late. I think that it is time to petition to the government for a redress of grievances.

Well who is going to benefit from this program? The government? The government doesn't make money..it only spends it. So tell me.....who is going to make money off of this?

People keep looking at this stuff completely wrong. Government is powerful because business is powerful...as corporations run the government....nothing can be done without them.

Look deeper.

reply to post by David9176

so why would democrats that support Obama want this bill passed? it certainly will not help those dems that make enough money to provide their own private insurance, it will just send them to the cattle gates along with the rest of us...sitting at the clinic...waiting to be seens amidst ghetto babies and derelicts, homeless people...smelly drunks,...good night!

reply to post by JulieMills


YEAH! i hate them ghetto babies! i for sure am more deserving than they are!
AND THOSE HOMELESS! dont get me started on people who are POOR! ugh!



[edit on 17-7-2009 by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest]

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just sayin'
if a person can afford their own insurance LET THEM! what is the harm in it?

reply to post by JulieMills


dont ask me. no one i voted for made it into office.
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thought: separate is never equal?
maybe they fear that those who can afford their own will still be 10000000 times better off than the poor?

on the surface, allowing those with awesome health care to keep it seems like a good way to promote class warfare.

just a thought though. nothing too serious put into it. just throwing it out there to get bounced around

Goverment health care is the absolute last issue this administration should be dealing with now. This is a not only a slap in the face to american people but also to our lawmakers being made to slave over a bill that should not, could not and will not pass.

This bill and the arm that has forced it needs the infection cut off at the elbow. This is tant amount to treason considering our current economic state and the will and means of the American people.

This has to stop and it needs to stop now.

Your telling me that in the face of worst economic collapse in the the last 80 years it is all important to tackle a topic that has been a problem and a small thorn in the side of America for 50 years????

WHY NOW? WHY is it so important of an issue NOW? What in Gods name could be accomplished as a whole for the great people of our nation by turning an industry so incorporated into our daily lifes on it's head in the worst economic crisis in American history since the great depression?

This is beyond crazy, this goes beyond oversight, this is sheer blatent and provocative action to invoke a response. There is no other explination that does not overwhelmingly defy common sense.

reply to post by JulieMills

just sayin' if a person can afford their own insurance LET THEM! what is the harm in it?

What's wrong with the system? Wealth decides how good of health care you will receive...that is what is wrong. No one has any more right to live than another...and that is why the system need to be fixed.

I am not saying that a full-on government program is the answer....but never will a corporation, CEO's, and stockholders making millions and billions of dollars off of the poor misfortunes on others who just want to live....will never...EVER...BE THE ANSWER.

No matter what you say IT WILL NEVER BE JUSTIFIED. I don't give a damn if we all go broke...it's already happened...Bush killed us with his deficits and war...which is STILL going btw...

No man has more right to live than any other...EVER.

So ask yourself.....who do you stand for? DO you stand for the millionares and billionares? Or do you stand for the little man...the guy who struggles along through life hoping to make a better way of living for their family.

I've had it with people....I really have.

I was in U2U with someone recently about this topic and I wrote back to him:

Re: Obama's new health care bill vs Canadian Health Care system.

I replied: Re: Canadial Health Care System

"Well, that seems ridiculous. 'They' claim it is so hard, is it that difficult to review OUR system and simply copy it or are they that stubborn? Sure, our taxes are higher but the standard of living is better...maybe if your citizens reject putting trillions into weaponization (most of which is unaccounted for) and more into people.

They would just have to view the policies and make them work.

Besides, if you work (here), you have to get health insurance (from the company's suggested company that comes in to show you the package or prove you are covered by a spouse). These cover extras like dental, prescipts etc. But, for the poor and unemployed/uninsured you show your health card (everyone has one) and no questions asked you get your medical issue paid for. The poor get basic dental, no extras (cleaning etc). aka, 2x yr checkup (kids) and optomitrist/glasses 1x yr. Some on welfare simply go to universities for discount dental by the almost liscensed post-med students. cheap cheap., but safe. Plus the universities accept payments.

Your govt, has to stop acting like it is such a hard thing to do...because it isn't. No one here bitches (employed) about the poor running their kids to the doc everytime they sneeze either. It all works out in the long run, healthier, happier people...who feel safer. "

so anyways, please review the system and the policies at: www.hc-sc.gc.ca...

and the drug benefit programs (per province) at: www.hc-sc.gc.ca...

see for example the costs to seniors and the poor at: www.health.gov.on.ca...

"Single seniors (people aged 65 or older) who have an annual net income of $16,018 or more and senior couples with a combined annual net income of $24,175 or more pay a $100 deductible per senior per year in ODB eligible prescription charges before they are eligible for drug coverage under the ODB program. After the $100 deductible is paid, they pay up to $6.11 toward the dispensing fee each time they fill an ODB eligible prescription.
Seniors who have an annual net income under the above mentioned levels and all other ODB eligible recipients, including Trillium Drug Program recipients (after their Trillium deductible is paid), may be asked to pay up to $2 each time they fill a prescription for an ODB eligible drug product."

In addition, if you are receiving social assistance (Ontario Works or Ontario Disability Support Program assistance), you are eligible for ODB coverage.

All recognized Inuit and Indian (Native Status) plan and control their own Health Services (paid by government) www.hc-sc.gc.ca...

*Each province has a Healthlink toll free number to ask advice from qualified nurses and practitioners available to request if your symptoms require a family doctor or emergency room.

for example: www.health.gov.on.ca... or www.health.gov.bc.ca...

[edit on 18-7-2009 by suzque66]

[edit on 18-7-2009 by suzque66]

honestly obama's healtch care reform could be the best thing that could happen to this country.

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DAVID!! You had your baby! What a beautiful, beautiful baby! Congratulations!

(Sorry to be OT, so I'll add something)

I don't think we should trust anyone to make program decisions when the very same people are on a completely DIFFERENT program!

If they want to pass this health bill, and are so sure of its success; then they should not be exempt from it. Why do they get a special little plan, but not have it available to the populace?

OBAMA and his FAMILY, yeppers!! Those pretty little girls...would he put them on this plan? hmmmm - The Senate, The House - THEY ALL SHOULD BE ON THE SAME HEALTH CARE PLAN!!

We're quickly becoming a dictatorship, chock full with a Royal upper class! TPTB are busy trying to figure out the best way to keep its peasants disease free.

Soon, we won't be allowed to golf on their courses.

reply to post by SourGrapes
exactly! what is good for the goose!
you know that the political elite will have their own healthcare. they get the apples and the milk!
(Eric Arthur Blair book "Animal Farm"...nevermind)

PS: I love your avatar...gggggrrrrrawwlll....so sexy!

reply to post by David9176


Wow, so you like the idea of the government dictating to you what health insurance you can have and by proxy what kind of care you can get? You know that means only government 'approved' treatments will be allowed. You also most realize that since we will be paying for illegal aliens under this system that care will be rationed as it is in all the socialist systems. Try getting heart surgery or an MRI in Canada. Many come to the US for life saving procedures.

Your doctor will no longer decide your treatment, the government will. That's also in this bill as well as forced vaccinations. This bill crushes your ability to decide how you want to be treated and in fact destroys an entire multi-billion dollar insurance industry by fiat. That my friends is communism and is in fact an unconstitutional seizure of private enterprise, not to mention an unconstitutional extension of government power beyond the strict limits set forth in the constitution. The fed.s do not have the power to regulate your personal economic activity, unless it crosses state lines.

Finally, if you really care about the poor so much, then help them out by donating to a worthy cause, say the salvation army. Why do you feel you have the right to steal someone else's stuff and have incompetent corrupt government do-gooders take that money and manage the poor into the ground?

Hey, Let's end the argument... Most of you probably don't know this as it is far under-reported.....If this plan is SO GOOD, why did Congress vote overwhelmingly to make sure THEY did not have to have it.

www.humanevents.com...

Democrats also voted down an amendment from Rep. Dean Heller (R-Nv.) that would require all Members of Congress to get insurance through the government-run plan. Apparently Democrat members of Congress do not like the government plan they’re trying to inflict on the rest of us. In a straight party line vote, Democrats voted against exempting themselves from the government-run plan by a vote of 21-18.

“We also had an amendment to require that members of Congress must participate in the government-run plan,” Camp said. “If it’s such a great idea, it should be a great idea for members of Congress. The majority voted to prevent that from happening. They voted to exempt members of Congress from the government-run plan.”

Also voted down were amendments that would require proof of citizenship or legal status to sign up for the government plan, that would bar government funding abortion as a plan “benefit,” and an amendment that would bar rationing of health care based on comparative effectiveness data.

Now watch this...

www.youtube.com...

Question: Does your plan cover the 12 million or so illegal immigrants?

Obama's Answer: It does not

Question: Why not?

Obama's Answer: Because I think we have limited resources and it is important to us that when we have millions of U.S. citizens that aren't yet covered that it is important for us to make sure that they are provided coverage.


www.youtube.com...

And how many times did we hear that "all of us should have the same healthcare coverage as congress"?

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...



Now, I don't have as much of a problem with a "universal healthcare" base plan as many do but this ain't it and this is nowhere near what we were "sold" during the campaign.

I agree that our current system of Insurance companies trying to screw you over for "pre-existing conditions" and trying to "cherry pick" who they want to insure needs to be addressed but this "junky" pile of crap bill is ... well, a pile of crap.

Well, Let's have that same plan you promised that you and Senator McCain enjoy!









[edit on 19-7-2009 by infolurker]

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damm great post. yeah that is a thread endr...

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Yes indeed. This does prove the point doesn't it? Oh by the way the plan requires that the government convince the elderly to off themselves; mandatory death counseling every 5 years.

I suspect the death itself will be mandated as a form of triage due to the fact that services will be rationed.

www.wnd.com...

A lot of private doctors worked in the hospitals that have been shut
down due to the economic crisis.

These hospitals took on all the people without health care.

Now the remaining hospitals have overflow emergency rooms.
Soon they will not get paid for services.