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"I believe that these extra terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets... "I did have occasion in 1951 to have two days of observation of many flights of them, of different sizes, flying in fighter formation, generally from east to west over Europe."
Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?
Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility, the fact is, we were warned off!(by the Aliens). There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city.
Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?
Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station.
Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?
Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again.
"I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high.
As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, gray and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk.
About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me -- and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."
"The encounter was common knowledge in NASA, but nobody has talked about it until now."
"...all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence."
"I think that Walter Schirra aboard Mercury 8 was the first of the astronauts to use the code name 'Santa Claus' to indicate the presence of flying saucers next to space capsules. However, his announcements were barely noticed by the general public. It was a little different when James Lovell on board the Apollo 8 command module came out from behind the moon and said for everybody to hear: 'PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.' Even though this happened on Christmas Day 1968, many people sensed a hidden meaning in those words."
www.ufoevidence.org...
In all, a total of more than a dozen men had responded to my letter (including commanding officers and weather officers) : their opinions were unanimous that no such event had occurred at Neubiberg..
He also says,
Maybe there was something about the environment and the setup that confused me. I don't know. Or it could have been something unknown. (I don't automatically presume that is was from Alpha Centauri, just because I can't identify it.) It's still an open question to me.
(Deke! by Donald K. Slayton 1994, p. 50)
There have been two or three space program reports that have gotten picked up by the UFO people, but those weren't legitimate.
ronrecord.com...
"when James Oberg contacted Chatelain's employers he learned that Chatelain was no longer employed by them when Apollo 11 landed on the moon. If he was no longer an employee of a NASA sub-contractor then he could not have been present in any so-called "secret room" where he could overhear the confidential communications of the astronauts on the lunar surface. He was a low-level engineer who worked for a NASA sub-contractor who built the Apollo communications systems. His status as the "head of communications" (as some UFOlogists have claimed), is entirely false."
www.imdb.com...
On the Gemini 6 flight, Schirra and crew mate Thomas Stafford reported to Mission Control (completely deadpan) that they'd seen "some kind of UFO" consisting of "a command module and eight smaller modules in front. The pilot of the command module is wearing a red suit" (Santa Claus). Then, they played "Jingle Bells" on a harmonica and a set of sleigh bells they'd smuggled aboard with them.
Regarding the May 2nd, 1957 Edwards AFB case, after carefully examining what Jim Oberg says about it (and checking it against others' research), it appears we have to give him his due here and say astronaut Gordon Cooper did indeed insert himself into this case which he apparently wasn't actually involved in. Jim is correct about Cooper in this instance.
Originally posted by Schaden
Oberg's critique of Cooper is pitiful.
He's actually suggesting pictures from the Edward AFB saucer landing, are already published in a book ? And that Cooper and the camera crew were exaggerating ? It was only..... A WEATHER BALLOON ?
Get outta here.
And since Oberg couldn't find anyone to corroborate Cooper's testimony about getting scrambled to chase saucers over Germany, it must be a fabrication ?
Events like that are highly classified. Most people do keep their security oaths.
Oberg talked to Librarian of Congress official Marcia Smith, about her involvement with President Carter's secret UFO studies. But he won't discuss that matter. Give me a break. I wonder how much they're paying him ?
I'll trust the MIT PhD Astronaut over a science "journalist".
Originally posted by JimOberg
Oberg talked to Librarian of Congress official Marcia Smith, about her involvement with President Carter's secret UFO studies. But he won't discuss that matter. Give me a break. I wonder how much they're paying him ?
Typical delusional defamations... As long as folks keep getting away with this kind of stuff, these threads will never get anywhere real.
Originally posted by Schaden
Am I even talking to the real Jim Oberg.
I'll play along.
He and Gettys both said it had a golden color, looked somewhat like an inverted plate with a dome on top, and had square holes or panels around the dome. Gettys thought that the holes were circular, not square. It was moving away from them, seemed to glow with its own luminosity, and had a hazy, indistinct halo around its rim, both mentioned."
"The photos were shortly taken by base military authorities and were never seen again by the men. In a session later that day, Bittick [was] informed that they had seen a weather balloon distorted by the desert atmospheric effects".
Now, in fact those photographs did not vanish after all: they had been sent to Project Blue Book, at Wright- Patterson AFB in Dayton, Ohio, per regulations
Originally posted by Schaden
Ok sorry .... But I think ....
Spence's official AF explanation quoted in your article sounds like disinformation to me... So why do you side with the AF ? ...
I guess if ....
I presume ...
Certainly if ...
As I recall...
I wonder if it was because ...
That's a bummer ...
He's certainly a very credible person in my estimate. ...
I believe ...
I would not expect her to break that oath...
Originally posted by Malcram
reply to post by JimOberg
That was a very poor quality rebuttal Jim. It did nothing to refute the points made.
[edit on 24-4-2009 by Malcram]