Fascism....is it here?

- a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

- A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

dictionary.reference.com...
Socialism? Hell we are going to go beyond that.

We are headed straight to Fascism at this rate.

So much for the Constitution.

Thanks Bush and Obama...and your buddies at the fed.

Hi David
SnF 4 U
I am so frustrated...I just authored a similar thread, mine's more of a rant, I'm afraid...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Something really needs to happen and soon, or I don't wanna think what may come to pass.

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I'm frustrated as well and i really don't know what is going to happen.

I know that our currency is being trashed. It's right out in the open for all of us to see...yet people aren't getting it.

If our currency collapses....government will take unprecedented control.

Heck..they already are.

Our government...one of the most irresponsible and fiscally horrible agencies in the world is taking over businesses.

It won't work and we are all going to pay dearly for it.

It started under Bush...Obama is just continuing it at an extremely fast pace.

Gerald Celente says just that, in part 2 of 6 o7 or soemthing, here is the first

www.youtube.com...

Yeah...
but it started long before Bush. I think the Master Plan started way back in the late 1940s

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I just watched those....and he's right.

That's what we are headed for.

Congress continues to give the Federal Reserve and the executive branch WAY too much power...it's insane.

That whole show was a good one....I posted a thread about the guy who was interrogated by the TSA here.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Had an excellent line up of guests.

David:

Yes, it is.
Barack Obama calls the Youtube "Thomas Paine" dude to the White House?

The White House now thinks it has the authority to reorganize businesses as they see fit with the excuse of them being a possible detriment to the overall economy (as if the entire thing isn't screwed regardless?)

Yes, it is.

There is another definition for fascism... (The one I have always thought of when the word comes up)

"A system in which the executive works hand in hand with the corporate interest of the society."

Either way, Fascism is here... In America.

My question, is fascism the logical end of a failed republic?

Is Fascism is the result of capitalistic idea applied to a system which gives all an equal voice?

Does a true republic not actually RESTRICT the more influencial, and wealthy, voices of the Republic to keep people on an even kilter...

If the Government wishes to hold true to an honest representative republic do they not also have, as a top-flight priority, the resposnibility to keep the public educated in the means of that government?

Why do they not? For desire of personal gain?

If yes, then who's fault is this mess. The people who cannot see this simple truth or those who exploit it?

My guess is both.

We are just as much at fault as they are....

Waiting for..
Wait, nevermind, Hillary Clinton just literally pushed the "reset button" with a Russian leader yesterday.


So, we'll die soon...
For our stupidity.

Heck yeah this is facism being brought to us under left cover. Its frightening how blind people are to this. The republicans are too busy listening to Rush Limbaugh telling them that Obama is giving money to the dead beats but in fact he's handing over full control to the banks. The democrats think he's helping the middle class, in the mean time he gives a big FU to Detroit.
Trillions of taxpayers' dollars have been plundered to never return to us again! Screw the bastards.

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Fascism has been here for years now you'll see a build up. Like the old song says "Its only just begun". Well okay but it began many years ago which is the problem. Get ready for even worse things to come.

What is going on now is no different then what has always been happening - at least the execution... They will rebrand conservative values and all of you crying now will be appeased be a southern accent and a flobee hair do... Then that feller will begin dismantling the GOOD and BAD laws that will arise from this crisis - Abuse will creep back in - in the name OF FREE MARKETEERING and the same old right wing ideology.
We will have a new layer of turd and you will feel good again.

What is funny is what you guys are feeling now is very similar to what WE (lefties) were feeling for years via W. Although I will argue Clinton did not leave the same level of ruin as W... CLINTON DID SIGN THE REPEAL OF GLASS STEAGAL - BUSH let the ELITE go Cluster $#@$@ crazy, however. Now Obama is tripping around in some sort of perfect crap death storm that has no precedent. God only knows??? But I do know the righty ideology that helped repeal the vital regulation is trying to creep in the back door dressed like Samual Adams and Tom Jefferson. We will suck the same nugget - zero reflection = more of the same of the same

Fascism is exactly what is being forced upon us, the right shoe fell with Bush and now we are getting the left. However, the bright side of this is that Obama is reaching too far too fast, had his power grab been slower the now awaking electorate might have continued the long sleep into oblivion. While hard to take and stunning in scope, this power grab was the best medicine for our Republic as it has restarted the hearts of closet patriots. No longer are ‘conspiracy theorist’ counted as laughable, but now approaching the level of visionaries. The complacent arrogance of the powers that be shall be their undoing.

Thus, fascism is either the end of a Republic, or the start of its rebirth; the future of our national destiny now either begins, or ends with us. “If this is rebellion, let us make the best of it.”

Originally posted by Beach Bum
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Fascism has been here for years now you'll see a build up. Like the old song says "Its only just begun". Well okay but it began many years ago which is the problem. Get ready for even worse things to come.

Good musical metaphor.
Appropriate song, especially in a "1408" sense.

Originally posted by mental modulator
Now Obama is tripping around in some sort of perfect crap death storm that has no precedent. God only knows???

That's my basic read on the situation, also.

I also posted this blog post in another thread, but it's relevant here. It puts forth the idea that we don't have fascism, but rather, Quarterback Capitalism

The Obama adminsitration fired the GM head today, and already, some bloggers are having a hissy fit. If you strongly believe against state market interventions, fair enough. But to compare this to 30’s style fascism or socialism is kind of missing the point.

First, it helps to lay out what political economy has been about for the last 150 years or so. In ye olden days, people truly despised the capitalist system. Some folks, like the socialists, just wanted to abolish it and just have the state do everything. The social democrats and the Keynesians wanted to control it and spread the wealth. The fascists also wanted to control it, but mainly as a tool for nationalism and clientelism, rather than redistribution. There were some who loved capitalism, but that’s a story for another day.

But we’ve seen none of the above. There’s no attempt to abolish the system, and no attempt to set up vast new welfare programs, though we’ll likely see piecemeal efforts on health and related issues. Neither is there an attempt to set up a massive patron-client state, in the way the fascists did in the 30s.

Instead, we’ve got “quarterback capitalism.” The idea is pretty simple: don’t challenge the major features of capitalism, but opportunistically fix what you can with buy outs, loans, subsidies, and other ad hoc interventions. Reminds me of the great quarterback Randall Cunningham, who could scramble his way out of any mess. The idea behind Bush-Obama policy is that what ever mess you’ve got, you can probably fix with the right hodgepodge of incentives. The Federal government is the nimble quarterback who can get you out of the squeeze.

With regard to GM, Obama didn’t do what the fascists actually did - which was to make everyone dependent on the state so they could engage in militarism. Basically, the current strategy is to do what one can to save the financial and manufacturing infrstructure of United States, but not in ways the challenge the underlying structure. Better regulations for banks; new management for the auto people; a little help for homeowners. For GM, it was pushing out old management in exchange for money, a typical move in the private sector. Whether this is good is certainly for debate, but it certainly isn’t a return to fascism, socialism, or laissez-faire economics.

I think that part of the problem with our political system is that, if we ever hypothetically developed a flawless systems of regulations and laws, and we had a Utopia, do you think that politicians would leave it the hell alone and let the society function? Hell no, because their job is to pass new legislation and take action. So, things go in cycles. We push the "liberal agenda" for a few decades, then we push the "conservative agenda" for a few decades (Obama and Clinton are as much a part of our current trend as Bush and Reagan -- notice that we still have little indication that Obama plans to put the necessary regulations back in place). As all of this is going on, Presidents periodically expand Executive power, and increase .gov spending by creating new Departments (Bush went all nuts and started the Department of Homeland Security, when a fundamental reform of the "Intelligence Community" would have probably gotten the job done). These Departments don't get shut down -- ever -- because they have friends in Congress; and this leads to wasteful spending if the Department is no longer needed. And naturally, no President will ever relinquish Executive powers after another President works so hard to con the society into giving them to him.

I'll end this little tangent and just say: this type of system is not sustainable, and it invariably leads to collapse. We just have to hope that the time isn't now..

Interesting thread. One would never expect fascism to surface from far left field. Obama and his handlers are clearly wasting no time in bringing down this country. The rapid passage of the "GIVE Act" got my shorts in a jumble.

They won't stop until the gov't is in all aspects of everyday life from the living room to the board room. He is clearly bullying from the White House. He is apparently trying his hardest to "influence" the Blue Dog Democrats as well according to recent reports.

Yes I agree Fascism is what we are living with now and its been comming
for a while.
While others screamed Socialism I retorted Fascism.


I found this little gem in 2001. I don't remember where I found it
and it was unsigned. (Sorry)


Two Cow Politics


Socialism : You have two cows. You keep one and give one
to your neighbor.

Communism : You have two cows. The government takes them
Both and provides you with milk.

Fascism : You have two cows. The government takes them and
sells you the milk.

Bureaucracy : You have two cows. The government takes them
Both, shoots one, milks the other, pays you for the milk, and
Then pours it down the drain.

Capitalism : You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

Corporate: You have two cows. You sell one, force the other to
produce the milk of four cows and then act surprised
When it drops dead.

Democracy : You have two cows. The government taxes you
To the point that you must sell them both in order to
support a man in a in a foreign country who has only one cow
which was a gift from your government.



As i read it over a few times it seems that the U.S. Government is all of the above mixed together and then some.
No wonder it's all getting so screwed up and confused.The true"Melting Pot"

This is why you should listen to Mybigunit instead of Glen Beck. While everyone was calling this Socialism and Communism Ive been calling it Fascism for a couple years now....

MyBigUnit on Fascism






[edit on 2-4-2009 by mybigunit]

My life is what people would of went through, in east germany. I have no freedom to live any of my life, people always perving into my life. They would not let me go to any job, and i could not move away. No freedom even in my mind, to think to myself, because of mind control.

It is like a virtual prison, and one day everyones lifes will be like this, whether all you here know about it or not.

Pure scum run these things and have totally wrecked my life for no reason, oter than they wanted to and the they could do it as they knew people in power.

I doubt hardly any of you know about mind control, and even if you do there is nothing you can do about it.

Try living a life where you have no privacy, not even in your mind and see how its like to live in a facist state.

By the way i live in london and found out they use mind control at school in 1992. Tried moving, but it does not matter this cr1p is setup up everywhere, in the west.

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Wise posting. Good insight.

America is changing so fast I think the average sheep cannot keep up. A dumbfounded acceptance if you will.

I wonder if rapid change increases acceptance? Thoughts?





Edit: Spelling

[edit on 2009/2/4 by Marmota monax]

The USA took a step towards fascism when "democracy" somehow became your method of governance overnight.

The constitution was there for a reason- to enshrine the USA as a constitutional republic and to prevent tyranny by majority.

I for one don't support democracy. To me, an elected tyrant is no better than an unelected one.

Stock up on tea... I think the prices are going to rocket upwards when it starts getting dumped in harbours around the country once more.

I agree with your overall post David9176, but not this bit:

Originally posted by David9176
a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

This new strain of Fascism that's rearing its ugly head for all to see is subject to a different set of parameters to that of traditional Nazi or Communist Fascism. This manifestation of Fascism goes far beyond border and race. It is a Global Fascism and therefore neither racism nor Nationalism serve any meaningful purpose to it. Obama, Brown and the EU are neither racist or Nationalist - far from it. Their Fascist ideal actually requires a complete eradication of National and racial boundaries. Hence why Europe is being forcibly swamped by third world immigrants and the US Government refuses to guard the Mexican border properly. The idea is that by destroying traditional cultural cohesion and traditions, a new post-traditional world where the Globalist regime can impose greater control is created.

These switching parameters are clever. In the collective mind, Fascism = Nationalism and 'right-wing' sensibilities. So now, with these very politically correct, 'left-wing' Global order, no-one suspects the rise of Fascism. In truth, Fascism is niether 'left' nor 'right'. It can be either, depending on which method the perpetrators deem most suitable.