Schro, Shock and Ian Are in Dulce, New Mexico

Originally posted by geo1066

I've lived here in south central N.M. for 18+ yrs and the strangness of this country just tends to get shrugged off.(It hurts when you got to think about it..)

Check out this site to see what I'm talking about--

www.mystrangenewmexico.com...

Scroll down the left side for a plethora of other oddities on "the Land of Enchantment"

And all Alamogordo gets is an Atari dump!

Also, you guys should have come down here to Alamogordo, we could have exchanged some weird stories at Applebees or something!

reply to post by Chiiru


Aw come on, its not that bad down there. You got 'Dog Canyon', 'White Sands', The Nat'l Aerospace Museum','Sun Spot Observatory', the sonic booms from F-22s and Stealths and that cute little petting zoo on the highway.

All this coming from someone that lives in the "Cool Pines" right northeast of you!

reply to post by antar


Dulce and Aztec are actually west of Taos.

reply to post by Norio Hayakawa


Paul Kimball already investigated Dulce. All he found was a an abandoned radar base used to protect Los Alamos during the '50s and '60s. It's called Tierra Amarilla AFS P-8 Historic District.

Originally posted by Chiiru



Also, you guys should have come down here to Alamogordo, we could have exchanged some weird stories at Applebees or something!

and then for a couple of blasts at the "Inn of the Mountian Gods"
where the high strangness abounds.

The last weekend of March.....IN DUCLE.......Horiuko Hirokiya (GADS I am butchering his name, the guy was conspiracy theorist here a while back)
is holding a UFO conference and gathering a few folks to do some digging around for info and proof also.....you guys were a couple weeks to early dangit.....

[edit on 26-3-2009 by theRiverGoddess]

Originally posted by theRiverGoddess
The last weekend of March.....IN DUCLE.......Horiuko Hirokiya (GADS I am butchering his name, the guy was conspiracy theorist here a while back)
is holding a UFO conference and gathering a few folks to do some digging around for info and proof also.....you guys were a couple weeks to early dangit.....

[edit on 26-3-2009 by theRiverGoddess]

RiverGoddess, here is what will be taking place in Dulce on Sunday, March 29:

THE DULCE BASE: FACT OR FICTION?

Conference and Public Forum to be held in Dulce, New Mexico on March 29, 2009

by Access Media:

DULCE, NEW MEXICO – Eye witnesses, law enforcement officers, paranormal investigators and local residents will all meet at a conference in Dulce, New Mexico on March 29 to discuss long-standing rumors of a secret, underground U.S. government biological laboratory and base in the area. Norio Hayakawa, a retired funeral director and former director of a civilian intelligence network, is hosting the conference at the Best Western Jicarilla Inn in Dulce. His intent is to prove that these rumors may have prosaic explanations.
However, he asserts that some of these prosaic explanations may be disturbing, if true, and if revealed to the public.

According to Hayakawa, stories began to circulate in the mid-1970s when area residents witnessed "strange lights in the sky" and when ranchers reported mysterious cattle mutilations and frequent sightings of military helicopters. The rumors intensified in 1980 when Paul Bennewitz, who was then the president of Thunder Scientific Labs adjacent to Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, reported his experiences with what he described as "alien entities". Bennewitz claimed that these entities were controlling humans through electromagnetic devices, that their triangular craft crashed near Dulce, that some strange aerial objects were regularly flying near Kirtland, the nearby Manzano Nuclear Weapons Storage Facility and Coyote Canyon Test Area, and that they were transmitting signals to him from a base under Archuleta Mesa, adjacent to Dulce.

One of the speakers at the conference will be Greg Bishop, who thoroughly investigated the Bennewitz claims in his book Project Beta.. There will also be a few other well-known speakers. “However,” Hayakawa said, “the principal focus of the conference will be with local residents, ranchers and law enforcement officers who will testify about their personal experiences.”

Interest in the conference and the decades-long rumor of a Dulce base are high. “The UFO Hunters,” a popular History Channel television show, recently visited Dulce to interview residents and research facts about the purported Dulce base. “Because of the History Channel investigation, the townsfolk of Dulce are very much aware of the conference,” said Hayakawa. “For the first time, some of the residents may come forward at the conference to speak without fear of ridicule.”

Skeptical of the claims and rumors himself, Hayakawa is convinced there could be prosaic explanations to both the UFO sightings and cattle mutilations, and looks forward to the conference providing a resolution of the matter. "There has not been any physical evidence whatsoever that there is such a base in or near Dulce," Hayakawa asserted.. "However,” he admitted, “I have heard about some disturbing allegations concerning the Dulce area relevant to serious environmental as well as health issues."

"One such wild allegation", said Hayakawa, "is the allegation that the government, beginning in the mid 1970s, may have conducted clandestine operations in the area involving experiments with bovine diseases, anthrax and other substances as part of biological warfare research." Hayakawa also says he has heard from other sources that there may also have been some illegal dumping or storage of toxic chemicals and other bio-hazzardous materials in the nearby areas.

(On a curious side note, Hayakawa stated that when he first visited Dulce in 1990 with the crew of a Japanese TV Network to help produce a TV special on Dulce, they were inexplicably detained by the Jicarilla Apache police chief while they were interviewing the people on the streets about their sightings of military helicopters, strange lights in the sky and also about cattle mutilations in the nearby areas.)

"Another allegation that I have heard", continued Hayakawa, is "the allegation that the there has been a cover-up of occasional radiation leaks in the region resulting from a 1967 underground nuclear detonation which took place about 22 miles southwest of Dulce.." The name of that government experiment was called Project Gasbuggy, part of the government's attempt to utilize nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. It was part of the Plowshare Program. Hayakawa said that it was conducted "ostensibly to ease the flow of natural gas in the region, but the government knew well in advance that it would produce high amount of radiation".

"These may have some relevance to an allegation that there has been relatively high rate of cancer in this region as well as some reports of problems with fertility among some women in the area as well", said Hayakawa.

Hayakawa also stated that "if some of these allegations are true", then he supports a theory "that the government may have purposefully created some 'convenient' cover stories to conceal those activities and may even have staged a series of fake 'UFO-type' incidents in the area, utilizing high tech equipment such as holographic projection devices." This type of operation, according to him, has been a part of the Psychological Operations (PSYOPS) programs utilized by the military. "The association of this area with 'UFOs' certainly creates a laughter curtain and ridicule and would detract attention away from serious scrutiny of the area."

According to Greg Bishop, Paul Bennewitz may have been a target of a concerted effort by the government through the AFOSI at Kirtland Air Force Base as well as Sandia and Phillips Labs to brainwash him into believing that there is an alien base under the Archuleta Mesa in Dulce, 125 miles north of Albuquerque. Their main goal was to move away the focus of Bennewitz's curious scrutiny of leading-edge military test projects near the Coyote Canyon. Greg Bishop suggests that part of what Bennewitz may have witnessed near the Manzano Storage Area and Coyote Canyon Test Areas in 1979 could have been the government's test flights of prototypes of remotely-controlled platforms (unmanned aerial vehicles) and testing of some laser-based optical tracking technologies.. "If this had been the case these devices may have been utilized in timely fashion over Dulce during the height of government's clandestine operations near Dulce", said Hayakawa.

Whatever the case may be, Hayakawa said that this fascinating one-day conference, open to the public, will start at 10:00 a.m. and will conclude at 5 p..m.. Admission is $5 at the door. The conference will include an open public forum during which the public will be given an opportunity to report their experiences and express their opinions.

Additional information can be found at
www.ufodigest.com...

and www.myspace.com...

Originally posted by theRiverGoddess
The last weekend of March.....IN DUCLE.......Horiuko Hirokiya (GADS I am butchering his name, the guy was conspiracy theorist here a while back)
is holding a UFO conference and gathering a few folks to do some digging around for info and proof also.....you guys were a couple weeks to early dangit.....

[edit on 26-3-2009 by theRiverGoddess]

Yep, Norio Hayakawa is having a conclave in Dulce this weekend.
Some pickin and grinnin and discussion about high strangeness.

I wish I could make it but alas "no rest for the wicked"

Will be interested to read the results of the trip and the upcoming conference this weekend. I had never even heard of this info before, but bought a small piece of land about 80 miles away last summer (unfortunately I found out last month that it is too small to build on)!