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Here's what the group called the Five Percent Nation believes: Ten percent of the people of the world know the truth of existence, and those elites opt to keep 85 percent of the world in ignorance and under their controlling thumb. The remaining percentage are those who know the truth and are determined to enlighten the rest. They are the Five Percent Nation.
The echoes of that message eventually found their way into hip-hop culture. Phrases and symbology of the Five Percent Nation endure in songs by some of the genre's best-known musicians, including Busta Rhymes, most of collaborators in the Wu Tang Clan, and Lord Jamar of the rap group Brand Nubian.
So they're saying that one in 10 people that I know, 1 in 10 of your close friends or business associates or family members, they're elite and trying to keep most of us down? And 1 in 20 of our close friends, 1 in 20 ATS members, 1 in 20 rap stars in the public eye, they're the 5% who know the truth and are trying to protect us? I think the scale is a bit off kilter...
Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
Yes, I said it. The Wu-Tang Klan.
Here's what the group called the Five Percent Nation believes: Ten percent of the people of the world know the truth of existence, and those elites opt to keep 85 percent of the world in ignorance and under their controlling thumb. The remaining percentage are those who know the truth and are determined to enlighten the rest. They are the Five Percent Nation.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
So they're saying that one in 10 people that I know, 1 in 10 of your close friends or business associates or family members, they're elite and trying to keep most of us down? And 1 in 20 of our close friends, 1 in 20 ATS members, 1 in 20 rap stars in the public eye, they're the 5% who know the truth and are trying to protect us? I think the scale is a bit off kilter...
Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
Yes, I said it. The Wu-Tang Klan.
Here's what the group called the Five Percent Nation believes: Ten percent of the people of the world know the truth of existence, and those elites opt to keep 85 percent of the world in ignorance and under their controlling thumb. The remaining percentage are those who know the truth and are determined to enlighten the rest. They are the Five Percent Nation.
According to Wikipedia, the US population is 305,186,613. That means that there are currently more than 30 million people in the "elite" of America? And 15 million people who know the truth and are fighting those elite?
Wow.
Do you really want to say that? If you think the numbers are below average in the US, that means they'll have to be above average everywhere else...
Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
It's safe to say that this percentage does not work for the U.S.
But in China, Africa, and other parts of the world it might.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Do you really want to say that? If you think the numbers are below average in the US, that means they'll have to be above average everywhere else...
Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
It's safe to say that this percentage does not work for the U.S.
But in China, Africa, and other parts of the world it might.
China's got 1.3 billion people in it. You're ready to go on record actually suggesting that more than 130 million Chinese people are not only in on the conspiracy, they're actively using it against the rest of us?
Or to take it to the global scale, with a world population of 6.7 billion, you're going to say there are 670 million "elite" worldwide, and 335 million people worldwide who know this secret truth and are actively fighting the evil it represents? By this math there are more people worldwide in the 5% then there are citizens of the United States. (335 million > 305 million...)
As much as I enjoy the RZA, that's crazy talk.
Spirituality isn't limited to Eastern religions. Anybody can practice the same and get similar results. This doesn't really lead to any global truths, but truth as applied to the individual, within his own, personal frame of reference and experiences.
Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
I just believe there are more people that use forms of meditation, astral projection than you might think (do you know about that kind of stuff?)... Especially the Buddhists, and Hindus.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Spirituality isn't limited to Eastern religions. Anybody can practice the same and get similar results. This doesn't really lead to any global truths, but truth as applied to the individual, within his own, personal frame of reference and experiences.
Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
I just believe there are more people that use forms of meditation, astral projection than you might think (do you know about that kind of stuff?)... Especially the Buddhists, and Hindus.
Not at all. Again, turning to wikipedia, 20% of the world population is Muslim, and there's an Islamic belief in "World of Yetzirah" which seems to be an astral plane equivalent. 13% Hindu and 5% Buddhist. Not counting other, smaller or less organized or recognized religions, right there we've got 38%. Add in various pagan, wiccan and other mystery religions, I'd say 40% would be a safe bet. So at most 60% of the population never heard of it? (And that's not counting D&D players...)
Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
But is it safe to say that maybe 85% of the world has never even heard of the astral plane?
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Not at all. Again, turning to wikipedia, 20% of the world population is Muslim, and there's an Islamic belief in "World of Yetzirah" which seems to be an astral plane equivalent. 13% Hindu and 5% Buddhist. Not counting other, smaller or less organized or recognized religions, right there we've got 38%. Add in various pagan, wiccan and other mystery religions, I'd say 40% would be a safe bet. So at most 60% of the population never heard of it? (And that's not counting D&D players...)
Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
But is it safe to say that maybe 85% of the world has never even heard of the astral plane?
From the use of the derogatory term "crap", it seems like you've already made up your mind on the subject. If you're going to continue redefining your stance every time it's shown to be wrong, there isn't much point in continuing this conversation.
Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
Many have heard of it, but have they been there? And which planes have they been on?
This New Age Religion crap is growing... is it decieving people? Or enlightening them?
The fascination with the Chinese culture is born of out of the "Asiatic black man"[8], a term a part of the Five Percenter teachings, also known as the "original man" which is featured on The 5% Album. The album is a solo record from Brand Nubian member Lord Jamar in collaboration with Wu-Tang Clan members and affiliates as well as other artists. The second track on the album is titled "Original Man" featuring Raekwon.
LAUDED BY HIP-HOP ARTISTS from Busta Rhymes to the Wu-Tang Clan, linked to drug dealers and prison gangs, The Nation of Gods and Earths -- or, as they are popularly known, the Five Percenters -- have inspired controversy for almost 40 years. But this past summer, the group received a powerful endorsement from an unexpected corner. On July 31, the Federal District Court in New York ruled that Intelligent Tarref Allah, a 27-year-old convicted murderer currently serving 19 years to life, had been denied his First Amendment right of religious freedom, and is entitled to practice his Five Percent beliefs in prison.
Indeed, many staples of hip-hop slang may possess forgotten origins in Five Percenter terminology. For example, the greeting, "'Sup, G?" is said to represent "What's up, God?" as opposed to the more popularly accepted etymology, "What's up, Gangster?" And Five Percenters may be the source for the standard hip-hop greeting "Peace."
Busta Rhymes, Brand Nubian, Big Daddy Kane, Mobb Deep, Poor Righteous Teachers, Rakim Allah of the critically renowned tandem Eric B. and Rakim, and many in the Wu-Tang Clan are said to be members of the Nation of Gods and Earths. Snippets of the divine sciences have also surfaced in the lyrics of Erykah Badu, Ice Cube, The Fugees, and The Roots. When Pete Rock and CL Smooth identify libraries as the places where "lies are buried," and television as "`tell a lie' vision," they are echoing the Divine Alphabet. Libraries and TV conceal the truth from what Method Man of the Wu-Tang calls "the 85 who ain't got a clue."
Not angry at all. Just trying to deny ignorance. From your own links,
Originally posted by DocMoreau
Do you ever contribute to threads, or is it that you prefer to take the constant role of 'angry skeptic'?
The 85% are those without the knowledge, the mentally blind, deaf and dumb who are bent on self-destruction. The 10% are the bloodsuckers of the poor, those who have knowledge and power but who use it to mystify and abuse the 85%. The 10% include the "grafted" white devil (created, according to Farad's teaching, by the evil scientist Yacub approximately 6000 years ago12) as well as the orthodox Muslims and Christian preachers who preach that god is a "spook" or a "mystery god."
comp.uark.edu...
That's quite possible. I get the impression that his own frame of reference in such matters is likely occluded by Western belief systems.
I would say that the OP's later use of the word 'crap' in association with 'new-age' had more to do with their misunderstanding about the subject matter, than any 'redefining of stance' or 'made up minds'.
The math is bad. It took all of 5 minutes to prove that to the OP. Building arguments or positions on faulty foundations doesn't benefit anyone involved.
I wholeheartedly believe that the OP, who joined less than two weeks ago, was here looking for information about a subject that they found out about. But instead, they were attacked for the 'mathematics' of the group that they were inquiring about.
Ok, I can see that.
Originally posted by DocMoreau
But the idea of 'Five-Percent' being 'bad math' was not what the OP was going for. He was attempting to bring light to the connections of the Wu-Tang Clan and the Five-Percent nation At least that is what I took away from the post.
That's true. I was quick to jump to a literal interpretation of their message. Perhaps because I was starting from the NPR story, and following the links from there. When I'm getting info from a source known for reportage, taking things figuratively is not my first inclination.
It was you who brought the '5% being bad math' into the discussion. It seems that you are trying to discredit the validity of the group based on that one 'equation'. You fail to look at it metaphorically at all.
No offense taken. Obviously you and I are going to have different opinions, and different ways of expressing those opinions. As long as we can remain civil and have some respect for where the other party is coming from, I'm cool with that.
Sorry for being so brash before, I had not had my caffeine.