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Originally posted by Gateway
Originally posted by Ron Paul Girl
reply to post by TrueAmerican
I'm a little confused, why do you think NDE are part of Satan's deception?
Even if it is a deception as you say, then the joke is on Satan, because most people that have this experience change the way they live and see their lives, they become more spiritual, they are appreciative of life at the same time find comfort and solace that their dead loved ones have gone to a far better place
Originally posted by jpm1602
So very typical and expected Gateway. Some occums razor atheist to come about and attempt to naysay anyones beatiful experience. It was bound and determined to happen.
Originally posted by Ron Paul Girl
The part about becoming "more spiritual" is where the devil is in the details. In what what? Yes, some do become Christians, but it seems like the vast majority take these NDE and delve into "spirituality" that does not involve Christ. That is where the deception is that I'm speaking of.
Originally posted by Gateway
Originally posted by Ron Paul Girl
The part about becoming "more spiritual" is where the devil is in the details. In what what? Yes, some do become Christians, but it seems like the vast majority take these NDE and delve into "spirituality" that does not involve Christ. That is where the deception is that I'm speaking of.
Spirituality does not conflict with Christ's message of Love and respect your fellow man. I think this is a good message. I'm a Catholic, I think if anything NDE are proof that we maybe right and the Atheists and Agnostics should re-think things.
post by Ron Paul Girl Yes, Jesus said that the greatest commandment is that we love our neighbor as ourselves. But He also made it clear that his the way, the truth and the life and no one comes unto the Father but through Him. We all need foregiveness. We've all screwed up. None are good. We can't compare ourselves to one another. The comparison should be between us and Christ and no man on earth comes anywhere close to His example.
Originally posted by Gateway
Yes, but I also believe as a Christian, that God is the only one to judge. Therefore, I as a peaceful Christian, and yet sinful man, since we've been all expelled from Paradise cannot claim to hold righteousness above that of my fellow man. As Christians we cannot be quick to cast those that do not believe in Christ as going to hell. It is he who will judge them, not I.
[edit on 22-9-2008 by Gateway]
Originally posted by Benarius
I had 3 near death experiences very early in my life. And all were in conjuction with water. I'll tell you about my first, which took all fear of dying till this day 30 years later. I keep the story short. As I was struggling in the cold water, I didn't feel anything anymore. All I remember is hearing music and seeing white light. Thats all. The next thing I remembered is being pulled into a fishing boat. And then blackout till I warmed up and came out of shock.
Similar drowning accidents happened twice later. These 3 experiences happened between my age of 7 and 12.
What I do remember is during the struggles, even my body was fighting, my mind was at easy, feeling mellow. Somehow as if there is a fuse that shuts off everything.
Years later, these experiences made me come to the conclusion that it was just too early for me to die. That I still need to do something before they accept me on the otherside. Still not sure what it is. I'll keep looking.
Originally posted by Ron Paul Girl Jesus already has made that judgement because it's written that He is the only way. He said so Himself. No, we don't need to be running around telling people they're going to hell, but we should desire to tell them the truth and let them do with that truth what they choose to.
We don't know that in their final moments on earth, they won't have Christ appear before them and offer them one last chance for forgiveness. But, as Christians, we should never encourage the "sprituality" that does not lead to repentence and forgiveness through Christ. That's what I'm trying to say, in a round about way. I believe that when we encourage it or turn a blind eye to it, if those people go to hell, we will have their blood on our hands and we'll have to answer for it.
Originally posted by Ketzer22
All of these experiences could be linked to the drug '___'. It is a drug that is released during death and the same drug that induces dreams. It is one of, if not the, most potent hallucinogens in the world.
Words to live by.
Originally posted by toepick
Strive to be like Jesus
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
He never condemned anyone, and the people he chose as his apostles were from all walks of life, some were once murders, thieves, and scoundrels. He forgave the prostitute without hesitation, and he told the person dieing on the cross next to him that he would see him in heaven that same day.
He didn't try to take over any countries or kill people in the name of God. He was peaceful, loving and kind.
Far more then can be said about most organized religions and religious people today. People are so quick to judge. Churches so fast to condemn. All in the name of Jesus, or God.
All I can do is try to be as loving, accepting and forgiving as Jesus was.
Wow.... Do you think it might have been the pain and agony that she might have been in, that made her scream?
Also, as a health care provider I have numerous stories from NDE's. It is very strange indeed to have someone you resuscitated meet you, recognize you and call you by name because they say they watched you work on them. The only one that really haunts me tho is a young girl that died in my ambulance, she had a massive pulmonary embolism. She was in quite a bit of distress before she went unconscious. And right after she sat up eyes open and let out the most horrifying scream I have ever heard before or since; it gives me chills thinking about it to write this. I then watched as both her pupils fully dilated, which obviously was the point at which her brain died. I don't know what made her scream like that, but I know I don't like to think about it.
Originally posted by toepick
Strive to be like Jesus
...He never condemned anyone...