WHAT Does Gary Mckinnon REALLY know

This new thread is very interesting, this is what Gary is up against. Dan Rather speaks out against the media. Thanks.
Peace
Kirky

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by WatchTheWorld


BINGO m8y
Yea fear can get the better of anyone, especially if you've been sitting in a world of sh1t for as long as Gary. Kudos to ya, body language reveals a lot more to those than can see it.

PS. I think at that time of the Camelot video he was thinking he was pretty safe, no more than a big slap on the wrist, suspended, commuted sentence or time already served in the UK. Not so I'm afraid

Peace m8
Kirky



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I'm a graphic designer, unemployed at the moment and I have been thinking about making 'Free Gary' posters, explaining the crime he committed, the sentence he has been charged and the law they brought into the EU, in which only ENGLAND AND IRELAND have signed, the other countries told them to 'Buy One Get One Free'. I was thinking about adding how this hasn't been in the papers or news, especially since the law they brought in!!

They can take any Brit for trial in America, without the need to show evidence.

(can someone post a link to the law, I think this is what it impied, but I haven't been able to find it, it is 'without evidence' though.)

I was thinking of fly pitching aswell as posting leaflets etc, but my main problem is money, I can sort myself out, but if anyone else is wanting to do this, I can only send you a JPEG, not the actual leaflets etc. you will have to pay for them to get printed, or print them yourself.

For this to to even remotely work, we need at least a few people from a few major cities in Britain.

Coverage of this, is the only thing that can help.

EMM

The EFF is the Electronic Frontier Foundation Look em up on the web m8. They are the good guys.

The point of my earlier post was that Gary probably hasn't seen enough to be able to say for sure what he was seeing...real or fake or whatever...he admits this himself.
Another point I was trying to make was that the governmental stooges employed to construct these systems Gary basically just walked into...being as smart as they clearly AREN'T...were most likely not the most efficient/intelligent computer engineers/people in the world...so the cost estimate the government is using in their case is no doubt heavily inflated.

It is clear that Gary's offense was minor and the US Government is changing the rules to make sure he fries.
There are all manner of injustice being leveraged in this case alone to have the government's desires met and exceptional extradition laws are only part of it.

Just cause I live in the states doesn't mean I subscribe to...I mean, watch the standard fare of US media outlets.
Only a matter of time before they get the 'net too, but that's the kinda stuf the EFF is fighting against.

Cheers and "Let Gary Go!"

I think if Gary knew anything beyond what he has mentioned, he would have let it out already or it'll come out soon and before it's too late.

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Send this idea into Gary's team via their website at www.freegary.org.uk...

I was also thinking of T-shirts etc, but by the time I would have them printed the guy would be on the plane and extradited! They are really trying to fast-track this poor fellow to the USA!

Ross

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Thanks for that m8. Had a look at the site and got it bookmarked. YUP defo would support these guys/EFF we need more done to secure the FOS/internet, less those in power would have us like mushroom (fed sh1t kept in the dark) Kudos You should be well proud of your Dad. Respect

Yes. He viewed all this info over a year or more(2000 to 01) am sure it would be hard to jigsaw everything together and remember everything in detail. Could you remember everything you read online in the course of a year. But that’s another weakness of Gary’s and another story altogether.

Then again he wasn’t working for the KGB, he’s just a simple quiet private man unfortunately for him living in the UK who probably couldn’t/wouldn’t harm a fly. But then that begs the question what right has a government got to take away anybody's life for there own sloppiness with their own new #ty extradition laws. It all seems to be one sided and very unfair. Somebody commented that we here in the UK have not got a chance to have US soldiers/airmen face charges in the UK for Gulf War 1 and 2 Friendly fire incidents where a number of British soldier were killed. Not a chance so we’ve been told time again. Not trying to off topic just trying to make a comparison.

I applaud you for recognising what this is which is basically an injustice, an extremely unfair one at that. It also reflects how much our politicians actually give a **** about our rights no matter where we reside on the planet. Regarding your comments about “Just cause I live in the states doesn't mean I subscribe to...I mean, watch the standard fare of US media outlets.” I understand. In no way would I tar every Yank with the same sheeple brush. I know there are people in the USA that are just as pissed about this as we are, or should be. But like us in the UK m8 its not the people it’s the spineless government with attitudes of greed, power, control and generally its more than my Jobs worth attitude

Yea obviously there was a lot of slackness in those government systems/computers operators/engineers. Gary exposed that for sure. But any time from 0 to 70 years is ludicrously unfair. Agreed m8 about the damage done the but 90K in costs is confetti to the US and that much is certain. They spend that on lunchtime sandwiches.
Thanks for the input m8

Peace
Kirky


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reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers


Hi EMM
Good idea, go for it every little can help. Got to get that snowball rolling downhill by any means.

Personally I have faith in the power of the internet. The word will seep through eventually but lots of ground work..mmm that’s the reality I unfortunately see. Roll up your sleeves, time to get typing/writing

Cheers for the input
Peace all
Kirky

PS UK/Ireland is in Bed with Bush/US Gov.. call it a happy threesome if you will. Doesn’t surprise me in the least. Cup of Skull & Bones anyone

Originally posted by kirky
Would anybody like to comment on the following “what ifs” you can ask the “whys” too if you want..but;

sigh.... here we go again.... ATS has a search engine... there are MANY threads about Gary already... but what the heck One more time...

First... he accessed the data illegally, even though they left the doors open through carelessness... he admits that... so its off to jail. Had his lawyers a brain, they would have pleades not guilty and let the Gov have to offer proof... as it is they already have a confession...

Second it is IMPOSSIBLE to access and secret data UNLESS someone took the work 'home' with them as the secret and above secret stuff is NOT ON THE INTERNET

NIPRNET is the network for sensitive material
SIPRNET is the secret network
JWICS is the top secret network and then there is the Global but I won't even get into that...
If your brave enough you can knock on the door to SIPRNET here nic dot mil
I would strongly advice against it though

1. What if there are non-terrestrial officers as Gary states

SPACE COMMAND
General Kevin P. Chilton
Commander, Air Force Space Command

"The establishment of Space Command is a crucial milestone in
the evolution of military space operations. Space is a place--like
land, sea, and air--a theater of operations. And it was just a matter
of time until space was treated as such."
~ General James V. Hartinger, 1 September 1982

Beginning in the mid-1980s, concurrent with the development of space operations and space engineering curricula at the Naval Postgraduate School, the Navy began “coding” officers as space subspecialists. As space subspecialty codes were then assigned to particular officers’ billets on numbered Fleet staffs and at commands ashore, the service began assigning Navy members with matching codes to those positions. More recently, the Navy has begun efforts to build a cadre of “space smart” officers, enlisted personnel and civilian employees.

The Naval Space Cadre is composed of active-duty and reserve Navy and Marine Corps officers and enlisted personnel, along with Navy civilian employees from a wide range of career fields who meet mandatory education, training and experience standards established for a particular certification level. The Navy Space Cadre is a distinct body of expertise horizontally and vertically integrated within Navy and Marine Corps active duty, reserves and civilian employee communities organized to operationalize space

Initial identification of the cadre began in mid-2001 with the standup of the Naval Space Cadre Working Group and culminated in a naval message (NAVADMIN 201/03 DTG211435Z JUL 03) announcing the first 700 officer members of the cadre. These officers were identified by the subspecialty codes of 6206, Space Systems Operations, and 5500, Space Systems Engineering or by the additional qualification designator of VS1, VS2, VS3 or VS4. Identification of enlisted and civilian cadre members is more challenging, as these groups do not have specif?ic space identifiers like the officers do.

Approximately 265 billets are currently identified as space billets. These jobs are in Navy, joint and National Security Space organizations. Space cadre members are currently assigned throughout the National Security Space arena, including the National Reconnaissance Office, National Security Space Architect, National Security Space Integration, MILSATCOM Joint Program Office, as well as in all Navy organizations that deal with space.

High Frontier
The Journal for Space and Missile Professionals
Summer 2004

Highly likely that Gary found a simple list of the names of the above mentioned officers... Notice that it is the NAVY not NASA... got that?

It was the NAVY not NASA that flew Clementine...

2. What if there is Antigravatic Propulsion

Look up you tube videos about Boyd Bushman, senior scientist from Lockheed Martin

John Lear's father... William Lear of Lear Jets worked with TT Brown on Anti Gravity in 1952 under contract for the DoD
Project Winterhaven

Buzz Aldrin is partner in Gravwave, LLC, a company working on anti gravity with the Chinese !!!
Anti-gravity and the search for Dr. Ning-Liwww.abovetopsecret.com...

Go to LANL Archives and look up "Gravity Shielding" What you guys understand about 'anti gravity' is all wrong

3. What if there is a Secret Space program ran by the Military

We call it SPACE COMMAND....

Space Command Buildup
Space Command Units

Just as in Star Trek it is the NAVY who runs the 'ships' with Air Force in second place and even the Army has a Space Program with their own launch facility in the Marshall Islands (Since the 60's )

Even their logo looks like Star Trek



A few months ago PBS NOVA did a program on the Secret Astronauts of 50 years ago, now declassified. They interviewed the,,, all with high positions that are still alive. It was called "Astrospies' and was about the MOL mission and the Russian Almaz

www.pbs.org...

So if this was 50 years ago and we are just getting the facts released now... well YOU figure it out....

4. What if Free Energy is real

OY Do you have any idea what FREE ENERGY means? OF COURSE its real...

Oil is in the ground from nature... therefor its 'free energy'
Electricity is generated by gravity running water over a turbine... therefor its 'free energy'

Wind and Solar power are free energy in the truest sense...

But you still have to pay for the windmill and the solar panels to start... THEN its free after that...

So what do you mean by 'free energy'? If your going to ask a question, you need to first understand the question....

STS 75... the famous tether incident.... forget about the "UFO's" for a minute... do you know what the tether was? It was a device for gathering FREE ENERGY... they simply took a 12 mile long copper wire and dragged it through Earths magnetic field at orbital speed of 17,000 mph

End result... just like the turbine turns a wire in a magnetic field to generate electricity... so does this tether... Problem was the morons at NASA didn't expect so MUCH power and neglected to install a circuit breaker... something they got seriously taken to task on later...

Now back to the "secret" space program... they ALSO had a tether up there, a few weeks AFTER STS 75 returned home... This one was up for a couple of years... and they fired LASER 'cannons' at it from two military sites, one at Kirtland and one in Hawaii... Not to shoot it down, but to experiment with transmitting power via lasers from Earth to an orbiting space craft...

Yes Alice we HAVE that technology and its NOT even hidden... but you have to visit .mil secure sites to get it

Here is a sample from day 137 of operation... picture taken from Earth... and this one has nothing to do with NASA, though NASA is 'in on it'




continued

I have followed his case now for a couple of years and think it is a disgrace whats happening to him.
After reading many posts on ATS i find it incredible that so many people get the facts wrong about we he did and didnt do, according to Gary.

Most people were on dial up in 2000/01 this isnt a recent case but one that is taking years to sort out.

Most people dont believe what he says he saw but why? He is claiming to of seen part of a picture that was taken from space with the earth in the background that also showed an object which he couldnt explain as man made.
A list of non-terrestrial officers and ships names that he couldnt find listed in the U.S navy.
Non of this points to a conspiracy in the slightest so why is it hard to believe.
I believe he has been honest from the start thinking that would be the best policy.

The claim of damaged caused will be for the time computers were offline to find the security holes and the money lost while they were in active.
Although none of this has been proving but this has been the case in previous hacking cases involving damage claims.

People who say he deserves what he gets dont understand what hacking and Garys plight was all about. This is ignorance in the highest form.

At least Gary had the balls to try and find some evidence of a cover-up.
If you think what he did was wrong and we should wait for the Official announcement to be made by the Gov. then you are very naive.
They WILL NOT tell us anything so it will take people like gary to find the truth.
I have to admit i couldnt do what he did for fear of the consequences and can only praise Gary for trying.

I hope the UK stop being Americas lapdog and grow some balls like Gary.

5. What if Aliens are “actually” real

Jack Arneson US Army recovery team on standby late 60's... you can read the whole story here...

www.thelivingmoon.com...

He took two slow steps backwards and turned to head back to his jeep. First, he would have jumped down my throat for not saying "Sir" if he was a Captain. Then I would have been standing before a court martial for handling a weapon in a threatening manner. Third, he started back to his jeep (with no driver) and no response.

I was going to stop him but the MS was really freaked out by this time and ran up to me and said: "Are you crazy? What are you doing"?

I protested and said: "Sarge, this guy's an impostor, can't you see that? Everybody else might be dead"!

He said: "You may be right but I'll find out what's going on when we get back. Don't take the chance of a court martial for threatening an officer"!

I remember say something like: "I already did that and if he's an officer, then I'm an alien"! The "Captain" heard that and turned back and looked at me with black eyes! It sent a shivering chill up my spine upon seeing this and said: "Did you see that? Look at him! His eyes are black now"!

I started to raise my weapon at him and tell him to stop and the MS got in front of me and said: "Stand down soldier, that's an order"!

As the Captain drove off back towards the training area I told the MS: "We'll never know now, that's the last time we'll see him and you aren't going to find out anything when we get back and know it".

He said: "I know, but we saw something special and can't repeat it, can we? Who would believe us? And someone would stop us one way or another. And if I let you shoot him, and he is what he looks like, where would we be then? And what makes you think he didn't have a weapon? Because you couldn't see one? He may have had something that could vaporize all of us, the size of a lighter"!

A clip from a private email from a very highly placed insider... attached was a 500 page report... and no you canoot see that... you don't have high enough clearance

Thanks, Ron. I got a kick out of reading your note! YES..MIB's do exist. Did you get a chance to read my story about the 'visitor' I met at MacDill? He had 2 sets of eyelids...honestly...reptilian! I about # my pants when I saw his eye...never forget them!

McDill is McDill AFB... the above to stories are from two highly respectable military people. The second one has worked with NASA for 20 years and holds 23 patents, 12 of which are top secret...


“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity….. anything you can imagine we already know how to do.” - Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works

Just something to mull over

I don't need to 'mull it over' I already KNOW

And so would you if you became friendly with a good search engine

Here is one of those lasers... sometimes disguised as 'for astronomical studies'



Data is available here [note it will most likely redirect you to the Directed Energy Directorate of the Air Force Research Lab (AFRL) ]

www.de.afrl.af.mil...

At some point you may see the following notice IF you are lucky



Now this site to my knowledge is ONLY accessible from within the USA, so if you don't want to be joining Gary as a room mate... I would tread softly

Here is the lasers in action... Look at the focal point... if indeed they were aiming at a 'star' the beams would be almost parallel... It is clear that the 'target' is a LOT closer than the closest star...

Nice catchy name too huh?

STARFIRE





WHY IS GARY UP FOR 70 YEARS?

In my opinion... they don't believe he DOESN'T still have a copy of what he found

Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers

They can take any Brit for trial in America, without the need to show evidence.

They do not need to show evidence... he CONFESSED... that was a dumb move by his lawyers. Had he plead 'not guilty' they would have to prove it, and he would have had a chance... But because he confessed... he is toast.

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It's an idea, I've started it now, but I'm struggling. I learnt on Photoshop and although GIMP is similar, it is alot more sluggish, and I don't know were anything is, I may phone my college and ask them if I can do it their, can't afford photoshop atm

Just wrote in, awaiting a reply now

EMM

another irish bloke here .... It certainly is fairly big news that hes pretty much getting extradited right? I mean the tried the appeal twice and thats it.

Interesting to see what happens next, i want to cover this fully in the next "conspiracast" ye fellow irish heads should tune into that one.

I agree that 70 years is feckin crazy, it could have easily been me. If its that length of time I wonder would he really just go to jail or would they make use of him, and i dont mean as a hacker because hes not that good of a hacker and he knows it, but they might put him in one of their programming things, like monarch slav program.

It frustrating to say the least, they did have a peacefull protest with garys mum outside the courts last week in london, I dont know how many attended.

oops shouda logged in, on another laptop, this is boostah.

I remember seeing an interview with Gary, he said he had hacked into NASA a number of times using a programme called "back orifice" as far as hacking goes its a simple programme to use and the fact he never thought to cover his tracks shows that he was not a serious hacker, he also said while he was in the mainframe he was not alone, there were other hackers doing the same or worse than him (there is a feature on the hacking programme that allows you to see who else is online with you) so if what he claims to have seen was so fantastic and amazing why have the other hackers not discretely told of what they saw? whilst i agree with a lot of what ZORGON says the fact is the US laws are way more tougher than in the UK and since he committed the crime in the UK he should be dealt with in the UK i my opinion he is being made an example of but had it not been for all the terrorist threats of late and the new laws passed would he of been looking at this amount of time in jail?

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers

They can take any Brit for trial in America, without the need to show evidence.

They do not need to show evidence... he CONFESSED... that was a dumb move by his lawyers. Had he plead 'not guilty' they would have to prove it, and he would have had a chance... But because he confessed... he is toast.

He confessed in Britain, when it was a 6 month community service charge and a hefty fine, didn't really have much choice when the Americans join the frey, lol.

Britain being Americas lapdog? I think it's the other way around behind the scenes, Britain don't want this coming out as much as America, but Britain are more subtle when it comes to getting what they want, they are letting America do this, storm head in, if America fail, he will be tried here, under new laws, in agreement with America, IMO of course

EMM

Edit: Zorgon, as usual, impeccable research, I liked the purdy lights on the laser

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Even if he said he didnt do what they are claiming the rules of the treaty say the U.S do NOT need to produce any evidence to back up their claims and therefore it makes no difference if he confessed or not.
Also he knows that it wouldnt be hard to prove that the hacking was coming from his computer

reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers


He was never prosecuted in Britain and it seemed that they had dropped the case.
After the new treaty was signed the Americans went after him when he thought it was all behind him.
They were all american computers and if Britain wanted to keep him quiet they would of prosecuted him when it seemed the Americans were not able to.
They did nothing.
He only came out with his story AFTER the americans came for him.

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Hi Zorgan
Thanks for this very interesting post. Good reading that…but…Where’s your compassion m8 what if it was one of your own. Try to put down that patiotic do the crime do the time attitude. Gary McKinnon is NOT a terrorist and should not be tried like one for Gods Sake. Maybe I’m asking you to take a leap to far. I do remember your comments from memory on anther thread regarding this. I understand your logic, but I don’t comprehend your lack of compassion. No worries…
Ok I respect your comments regarding what is stated for us to see. But according to the disclosure project/Stephen Greer theirs a lot more we are not being told. NASA is just the military arm that exposed for us sheeple to gawp with amazement at. Gary seems to think like a lot of other credible witnesses that there’s more that what’s been laid out on the table. I mean if Gary saw the files “Non terrestrial” if they are not terrestrial well what are they then. Not of earth would be my opinion. I’m sure your sick of debating this but it’s a valid point.

Regarding Antigravatic Propulsion/Black Project…Nope…. I would pontificate that what we think we know isn’t all the truth about anti-gravity. Black Projects/triangle shaped hovering crafts of all sorts viewed all over the planet… I respect your comments. But I have read a lot, digested much and watched just about everything I could on these subjects. I know the score with all the relevant research done. I am familiar with the Hutchinson effect. And that’s what I’m getting at. If a man in his garage can bend, melt and levitate extremely heavy metals just with magnetic fields generated from old discarded military/navy hardware…what the hell has the US Gov Black projects got going under their belt. By the way Hutchinson from last check up was working now with the military anyways. mmmm

I see what your saying, but I don’t think you see the big picture about what Gary may know or know for sure. That’s what I think is at stake here. Its bigger than just a simple “you’re a bad hacker so go to jail” issue

Regarding Secret Space programs (3) Well..nah I think “Space Command” is too much 60’s Thunderbirdy or 70’s Space 1999’y I would much more prefer ISF (International Space-Exploration Fleet)…mmm..SPACE CORE could be the general slang term LOL I Like the logo BTW very trekkish for the Navy

Yes I understand about your FREE energy like solar, wind, Hydro, and all the rest of it. But it aint really free is it. Cost a heck of a lot to keep all that building it, running it and maintenance. And by the way the oil isn’t free, been to a gas pump lately, I just paid my quarterly heating bill and it most certainly aint free m8

I am talking about the FREEEE energy. Conversion from fossil fuels to radical new machines that produce your energy from nothing, or Zero point. Yea..all that stuff which is coming to light. Gary and other credible witnesses state that the US Gov has been sitting on it for years. What would happen to all the wars if there was suddenly no need for oil. Just a thought on the bigger issues/picture. Regarding the NASA Tether yea I seen that loads of times. As well as all that Debris floating around it after it broke, which, strangely enough, look like big friggin saucers. Oh sorry maybe that just my conclusion. Sorry.

Regarding lasers and their ability to blast/fry anything from air to air or ground to surface. They have been at that since the 50/60’s God only could know what they have in place now. Phasers to destruct. aye aye captain..

Thanks for the input m8, and have a heart pal. Cheers
Peace
Kirky

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Agreed Kirky - 70 years in jail for this when Gary Glitter walks free after a couple of years for allegedly fiddling with kids??? Even murderers have walked free in less from prison.

Not just COMPASSION called for here, but COMMON SENSE!

Ross

Originally posted by kirky
.all this talk about logic, reasoning and breaking the law, cant do the time don’t do the crime nonsense. Try for once putting yourself in tha same shoes for pity’s sake.

You know what? There are MANY researchers like myself and Cliff Stone here at ATS that spend YEARS of time and even hard cash to file FOIA requests etc to get at the truth... There are military sites that contain TONS of information, leads etc like the AFRL's triangular plane that does not need ailerons to steer but uses plasma instead... something that also makes it 'less visible'. This I showed here at ATS TWO YEARS AGO..

Revolutionary Hypersonic Aerospace Vehicles With Plasma Actuators
www.thelivingmoon.com...

Here is your "Triangle UFO's"



And even FOX news carried a video about the 'new' spaceplane that does Mach 10 and goes into space and reenters... (google it ... its called "Blackswift"

People like Gary that break in the back doors make it harder than ever for us to get any real data... because more and more stuff that WAS available to the public is being put under wraps again.

Stuff is secret for a reason Whether or not you agree that having a stealth space plane that is better than the shuttle should be secret is irrelevant. Its a matter of National Security... You mess with those boys, you LUCKY to only get jail time... it is still TREASON to even possess ANY document above "Unclassified" and that includes the lowest levels of "Confidential" and "Sensitive"

Having a list of actual NAMES of the officers... you realize how serious that is? These officers have families you know... publish the names and its like giving them or their families a death sentence from a 'rival' nation

Sure we all here at ATS dig for the truth... the skeptics DEMAND we 'prove it', yet they know full well that such proof would land everyone who viewed it in Gitmo..

But Gary gets extradited with possible 70 years hanging. What’s the difference here, well those people are keen, professional investigative journalists/reporters PI’s if you will. Gary’s just a meek, inquisitive, mild mannered quite stoner. Reminds me of the young fragile moth getting to close to the light bulb. Boy isn’t everyone at the Top of government just green keen to get him locked up/shut up. What a big nasty Bin Laden of an international terrorist Gary is….not.

Well then... you should consider this...

He obviously 'stumbled' into something so BIG that they are willing to take the chance and give his discovery more credibility by the long sentence... have you thought about that?

I’m sure. Lots of chaos, well maybe not that much. Maybe it would be a calm astonishment/shock before the storm so to speak

The day BEFORE 9/11 Rumsfeld announced on CNN that the Pentagon had 'lost' 3.5 TRILLION DOLLARS and that there would be an investigation... further more he stated that 25% of DoD spending is 'unaccounted for'

This was not enough to stir up the sheep...

The investigation team and the records for the missing money were in the Pentagon... in the wing that was hit...

Enron and other companies under investigation... the investigation unit and all the records were housed in WT7...

The next day all this was forgotten as Bush asked the Nation for BILLIONS more money for Defense (offense ) spending and all the sheep forgot yesterdays news and shouted "GET BIN LADEN!!!!"


How would the public react to know that Starwars never was canceled and that there are beam weapons in space? Well wait till they make it mandatory to have a chip implant with GPS capability...


Repeat after me... "target acquired...." ZZZAPPPPPPPPPP

I mean if he broke into nearly 100 computers it’s a given cert that he has seen a lot of Dirt.

Not according to Gary... he only found 'the good stuff' on ONE computer...
Here it is in his own words
www.thelivingmoon.com...

I repeat the secret stuff IS NOT accessible from the internet we use, unless someone placed it there deliberately or through stupidity. I would expect that the guy who left the door open is vacationing at Gitmo right now

I think somebody mentioned water boarding earlier, which made me sick to my stomach.

If your going to snoop in on these guys... I would suggest very strongly that you prepare yourself for the consequences...

People all know about the CIA, FBI and maybe a couple other 'three letter clubs' but if you are seriously concerned where your tax dollars go and just how much is spent on spying on YOU... take a moment and look this over...

Its not complete yet... I have about 50 more not added to the list...

The Intel Gathers Page One

The Intel Gathers Page Two

My FAVORITE Space Spooks... The National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) Notice the clever way they stay a 3 letter club? These guys are ABOVE the NSA and the NRO

www.thelivingmoon.com...



I hate to say it... but...

If you can't do the time....

When your dealing with agencies that would not think twice about taking you out... you have to ask yourself... "Do ya feel lucky? Well DO YA?"