Georgia admits dropping cluster bombs, says rights group

Georgia admits dropping cluster bombs, says rights group

www.globalresearch.ca

Georgia has admitted dropping cluster bombs during its attempt to regain control of its breakaway province of South Ossetia, a human rights group said today.

Human Rights Watch said it had received a letter from the Georgian defence ministry acknowledging the use of M85 cluster bombs near the Roki tunnel that connects South Ossetia with Russia.

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a note :

the use of Cluster bombs , as they are indiscriminately destructive and and very much designed to kill personnel, and civilians

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That's pretty horrific stuff. It's like spraying land mines everywhere. Some of them don't detonate immediately, and pose a great risk for anyone who approaches them later.

Just goes to show how nasty the US\Israeli war machine can be. Especially when it's war by proxy.

reply to post by NuclearPaul


Israeli war machine????? Are you aware where is Georgia and where is Israel? Map would be a good thing to start. As for Israeli proxies and Georgia - humor?
Wow! Speak about ignying denorance.....

reply to post by NuclearPaul


How can you say this! America would never do anything like this. Be it by support or by turning a blind eye to it. Come on! It's RUSSIA! They're the bad guys in all of this! They are evil commies!

Wait, sorry, flashback there.

I was just trying to stave off the pro WAR WITH RUSSIA/IRAN/CHINA/and EVERYONE ELSE people on this site. Figured if I said it first then they wouldn't pipe in with their claims refuting this.

Then again, that's what discussions are so let's hear it.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


The M85 Cluster Bombs are manufactured by Israel. It's no secret Israel was supplying weapons to Georgia for their planned attack on their own citizens in South Ossetia.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Israeli war machine????? Are you aware where is Georgia and where is Israel? Map would be a good thing to start. As for Israeli proxies and Georgia - humor?
Wow! Speak about ignying denorance.....

ok wait
are you serious?

Or are you a persona trying to make your online character conform to the meaning of your username?

just asking

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Yes i am serious. What Israel got to do with Russian-Georgian issues? Israel sells arms to lots of places. If there will be war between Pakistan and India - Israeli war machine involved? And who will be Israeli proxies - India or Pakistan? Russia sold arms to Iraq. Was US fighting Russian war machine in Iraq? Hey, Georgia also used Polish arms. Oh, maybe Polish proxies? Polish war machine?
If you ,unlike me, have full knowledge about Israeli proxy war with Russia - then enlighten me,by all means. A list of our proxies will be also appreciated. Super power as we are, tremble before us - all 7 million of us!!!

This is ridiculous, are bombs supposed to poke a big flag out that says boom when they go off? Or maybe shower down flowers and koombaya music?
Bombs are made to kill, welcome to the real world.

Cluster bombs are not indiscriminate, they are designed to be targeted at troop concentrations and do a good job, just like artillery. Unlike artillery they are more usefull as they can render an area unoperational by mining it at the same time. Just another tool in the arsenal.

Purposely targeting a civilian only population could potentially be a war crime, but combatants historically purposely hide in civillian populations. Their use in that case would be no different than a classic seige going way back to pre Roman times, where the besieged civilian population along with the combatants hold up in the stronghold suffer the same fate.
Ho hum history marches on.

reply to post by mythatsabigprobe


It is no secret that Israel supplied arms to Georgia (the rest of your sentence is there for what exactly?). As list of dozen other countries. And? Israel is in forth place (not something i am proud of - but still a fact) in arms selling. So what one thing got to do with another? All EU countries supplying arms to Georgia - what about it....
Edit - fpelling.

[edit on 2-9-2008 by ZeroKnowledge]

Russia uses cluster bombs too.

www.hrw.org...

Human Rights Watch researchers have uncovered evidence that Russian aircraft dropped cluster bombs in populated areas in Georgia, killing at least 11 civilians and injuring dozens, Human Rights Watch said today. Human Rights Watch called upon Russia to immediately stop using cluster bombs, weapons so dangerous to civilians that more than 100 nations have agreed to ban their use.

en.wikipedia.org...

Elistanzhi cluster bomb attack occurred on October 7, 1999, when two Russian Su-24 fighter bombers dropped eight to ten cluster bombs on the undefended Chechen village of Elistanzhi. The bombing killed some 48 people, mostly women and children, and injured dozens.

America uses cluster bombs, also. Sources probably aren't needed for that statement since we've all read at least one newspaper. And yes, India stockpiles cluster bombs and has actively opposed treaties that ban them right alongside the U.S., Russia, and several others. Not that I blame them, since their rival Pakistan also opposes any sort of cluster bomb ban.

www.sajaforum.org...

As many as 111 nations formally adopted the historic pact (Convention on Cluster Munitions) banning cluster bombs on Friday in Dublin after calls to the weapons’ biggest manufacturers and users, the United States, to join in failed. The five countries that have opted out are Pakistan, India, Russia, China and the United States.

In fact, whether they are illegal weapons or not, I would be surprised if there was a single nation with any serious air force that doesn't use cluster bombs. Scary, eh?

I keep telling you, the U.S. is not the sole bad guy in the world. It's just the only country with a government that is willing and a military that is able to throw its weight across the globe right now (and yes, I think that's a bad thing that our government does that.) Yet you keep making these posts trying to prove... what, exactly? And to whom? Anyone you might be able to convince on here is already convinced.

Sometimes I wonder if you're just using ATS as a personal soap box for your hate speech and anti-U.S. rhetoric.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


hmmm hello
U.S. and Israel trained Georgian troops

thank u

CBUs were used a lot in areas not populated by civilians, in the northern sector of I Corp in Vietnam. They were used mostly at night in areas with high volumes of enemy movement. The unexploded elements of the units were seen all the time by U.S. units and obviously proved too dangerous to be used by enemy forces as a source of scavenged material for use against friendly forces. I only saw these used on enemy in the open one time during my tour and that was a surprise to me. There are still incidents of these bomblets still causing K.I.A.s and W.I.A.s after over 40 years since being dropped.

Cluster bomb ban treaty is signed


en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Hello again.

In 2007, Israeli experts trained Georgian commandos in Georgia and there were plans to supply heavy weaponry, electronic weapons, tanks and other arms at a later date, but the deal didn't work out,"

www.jpost.com.../JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1218710400132
Those commandos surely show Israeli war machine running Georgia as a proxy...
And German/French instructors who also trained Georgian military?
I appreciate your laconic style, but i am yet to see your proof.

Originally posted by redchina
Cluster bomb ban treaty is signed


en.wikipedia.org...

Totally worthless,

"Some 111 countries including the US, Russia and China have been urged to reconsider boycotting the treaty."

So there were 100 countries too insignificant to name that signed and 111 that boycotted, that is called a failure. The US is on the winning side yet again, good stuff Maynard.

What ever is going on with that country is between Georgia & Russia. No other country should be getting involved. Peace is what we all want, so lets not let the internet and media flame this event up into something it is not. People have to stop making misinformed comments on such events as that is where problems arise from. I don't know who is right or wrong but they should give up now. I know America like to stick there nose in where it is not wanted but so far they are keeping quite, which is the best thing as they have right to go looking into something that is not there problem. Plus, when they go sniffing around they like to pull the UK in with them. All i have to say about that is, STOP LINKING THE UK WITH YOUR STUPID AFFAIRS. AMERICA IS BY ITSELF! ( Nothing but news from America over the past few weeks and i see people talking about American news like its are own. It has nothing to do with us and we don't care who is going to be president this time around. So stop having your media filter through to our country and making people worry over nothing.)

Okay, I'll stop having "our American media filter over" into your country, ASAP.

If not having to hear our media is your goal, then turn off your television and unplug your computer. Other than that I don't know what to tell you. Nobody in America has any control over what they show on U.K. television.

Write to you favorite station and tell them how you feel or something, but don't sit there and blame America for what a bunch of UK media companies have decided to show you.

reply to post by manson_322


So? It was in a situation of war.
Every Armed Forces, that I know, use large amounts of Cluster Bombs. I'm sure, 100% certain, that Russia also used them.

In war, you pick your best weapons, and you use them.

How does this prove who is right, and who is wrong?
What did Russia use? Water guns and confetti???

Originally posted by NorthWolfe CND
reply to post by manson_322

 

So? It was in a situation of war.
Every Armed Forces, that I know, use large amounts of Cluster Bombs. I'm sure, 100% certain, that Russia also used them.

In war, you pick your best weapons, and you use them.

How does this prove who is right, and who is wrong?
What did Russia use? Water guns and confetti???

Thank you someone using common sense in wars people die. Military personnel die and every military in the world knows there will be collateral damage (nice way of saying killing innocent people who are in the wrong place at the wrong time). Cluster bombs are used when dealing with large amount of personnel in an area Also for taking out airport run ways since putting a hole I a runway can easily be repaired putting hundreds not so easy. This is the main reason most countries don’t want to stop using them there is not a better way to make an airport unusable. Technology is getting better indiscriminate weapons are being fazed out In fact I was watching on the military channel the us now has a shell that can be used next to buildings with minimal damage to the building. US military has realized the days of large scale battles is over urban warfare is going to be the norm. But stuff like this costs way to much for a country like Georgia. People wars suck people die and that wont change mankinds been fighting for thousands of years with no end in sight.