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posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 01:10 PM

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Hi all.
I am very sorry if this subject has been asked before but I am from the UK and as most of you know, it is not easy to carry a gun legally.
Therefore I am looking at a crossbow, mainly for self defence and survial of a sitx.

Does anyone know a good place to start, whether it be a 50lb or 80lb crossbow ???

All help is welcome.

Thanks

colec156

Anonymous ATS

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 02:08 PM

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When i was looking for a couple sites for stuff like that i found these. There pretty good.

www.cookselfdefenseproducts.com

www.personalalarms.com

www.huntingsociety.com

www.protecturself.com

enjoy

Agent_Orange

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 02:13 PM

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I'm not sure about the laws in the UK, but it seems like to me someone carrying a crossbow (!) down the street would get a lot more attention from the police than someone concealing a gun.

stumason

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 02:13 PM

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reply to post by colec156

It's also not easy to carry a crossbow easily. Hunting with one is certainly illegal under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

I'm sure if you went wandering around with a crossbow, the Plod would soon have you in Nick for carrying a dangerous weapon, unless of course is was properly stored in the correct carry case and wasn't loaded.

mystiq

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 02:20 PM

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Yes but is possession of one illegal? I've been looking for plans for bows, crossbows and slingshots even, for strictly a survival situation, such as many of the numerous catastrophes thrown about by the disclosures made by black ops and the likes.

citizen smith

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 02:31 PM

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If you want to try a cheap and multifunction alternative and less 'legally sensitive' weapon, try using a slingshot as a crossbow...

it's far more powerful when shooting archery arrows than you'd think, and pretty accurate over similar pistol-xbow ranges too

AGENT_T

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 03:13 PM

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EDIT TO INCLUDE MISSING HALF OF POST.. Doh!

In a 'survival' situation you will at some stage be faced with repairing/restringing bow.So make sure it is able to be 'self-serviced'...UNFORTUNATELY..
The only one I have found to date is the...

BOWTECH STRYKER.

A VERY nice piece of kit but not really feasible against a horde of flesh eating zombies with a hankering for errrr... flesh..

Loading time 1 minute 1 shot..

OR..

A MUCH faster loading time..easier too

TWINBOW 2

This is the greatest x-bow I've seen..very reasonable 375ish FPS too..
I dunno how you'd restring without a jig though.. any home repairers out there?

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reply to post by citizen smith

After much contemplation on the 'catabow'

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I have concluded that it is possible to construct a feasible 'High performance' model from the wrist supported catapult design.. eg Barnette style..

Problems in 'multi use' performance being..

Band strength/arrow length
Nocking point of arrow
Arrow rest.
Band interaction on arrow after release.

These can all be solved but will leave the catapult inoperative for 'regular' ammo..
So I've placed an order for an extra one for my 'prototype'..

Plans will be made public subject to 'legality'.
IE.. I'll have to check with mods if it's ok once the work is done.

[edit on 16-6-2008 by AGENT_T]

stumason

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 03:26 PM

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reply to post by mystiq

As long as your over 18, you can own a crossbow of any strength. If your under 18, you need an adult over 21 supervising you. Just don;t go hunting or parading around town with one, that's all!

Read the Crossbows Act 1987, sums it nicely.

Mayacara

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 03:48 PM

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A good alternative to a crossbow would be a compound bow.

These are American hunting bows and designed to kill prey outright at 100m, and of course are very accurate. If you join a local archery club you can safely learn how to handle a bow and arrow and will have the advantage of finding out what bow and what size of bow is suitable for you. You'll also find out how to maintain your bow. Most clubs will have all types of bow for you to try.

Also, if you are stopped carrying a bow, which by any definition is going to be regarded as an offensive weapon by the police, you will have a legitimate reason. My family's bows are dismantled and stored in their cases for safety other than when they are at the club.

You'll also learn the proper technique and improve your accuracy - and you never know, you might find that you enjoy it as well!

Cheers

Mad_Hatter

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 03:53 PM

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Here's one:

In fact, its so good, you'll shoot your mother for it!

Here's a testimony:

"yeah, it worked gud fur me, yaknowdaimean? she wanna charge me fo rent and s***, so i offed dat b****! word!"

Man Shoots Mother With Crossbow

[edit on 6/16/2008 by Mad_Hatter]

AGENT_T

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by Mad_Hatter

Dunno what you're quite getting at, but that judging by that pic I'm guessing he wasn't ever going to be nominated for any high IQ awards..

I'm pretty sure a sharp pencil would have been just as effective against a sleeping victim..

[edit on 16-6-2008 by AGENT_T]

colec156

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 04:23 PM
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reply to post by mystiq

I had a quick look at UK law, Im not sure if this law has been updated at all.
Im thinking in a sitx that I stay at home I have some sort of weapon, If i am in the forest I could use a cross bow for hunting.

Source: Crossbows Act 1987

Offence:
Section 1 - (Sale): It is an offence for any person to sell or let on hire a crossbow or part of a crossbow to a person under the age of 17.

Section 2 - (Purchase): It is an offence for any person under the age of 17 to buy or hire a crossbow or part of a crossbow.

Section 3 - (Possession): It is an offence for any person under the age of 17 to have with him a crossbow which is capable of discharging a missile, or parts of a crossbow which together can be assembled to form a crossbow capable of discharging a missile.

fred3110

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 06:42 PM
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reply to post by colec156

Found this on google "the worlds strangest laws"

business.timesonline.co.uk...

13. In England, all men over the age of 14 must carry out two hours of longbow practice a day.

To any Scottish archers in York...keep those bows hidden!

6. In the city of York, it is legal to murder a Scotsman within the ancient city walls, but only if he is carrying a bow and arrow.

Couldn't resist posting this!

Seriously though I'd assume the laws on firing bows/slings/crossbows would come under the fire arms laws, best to play it safe so you dont have it confiscated by the police.

Cyberbian

posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 11:26 PM
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If you are talking SitX and the preservation of your bloodlines, then I would recommend you learn how to make a crossbow from scratch using a penknife and a forest. That way you can pass the knowledge on to future generations.

Once that store-bought beauty breaks, well game over.

Same for the bolts.

stumason

posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 02:27 AM
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reply to post by Cyberbian

Or better yet, a standard bow. Easier to maintain and much more rapid fire. With the trees in the UK and with a bit of knowledge and craftsmanship, you could even craft a Longbow....

Of course, you'd have to spend the next 10 years learning how to use it, seeing as it is a difficult and specialist weapon, but it will kill anything within 200 yards accurately and quickly.

Cyberbian

posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 02:36 AM
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Agreed, but a relatively weak crossbow is still more accurately fired by someone unskilled. And if the target is food, and the weilder is unskilled I favor accuracy.

Both of our suggestions are valid. I suggest a compromise. Learn about both. There you have a legacy worthy of praising the ancestors for their efforts.

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Wotan

posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 02:47 AM
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I was wondering when someone would mention the trusty Longbow or Compound Bow.

It is a well proven fact that Bows are far more lighter, accurate and faster than a Crossbow. The Crossbow scores in its penetration, but its reload times are terrible in comparison.

Read your history. For many years the English Longbowman was considered the ''Elite'' of the day. When captured by the French, the English Longbowman would have his two string pulling fingers cut off. This led to the famous V sign or F*** Off sign.

orangetom1999

posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 12:42 PM
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Wotan ..you posted.

Read your history. For many years the English Longbowman was considered the ''Elite'' of the day. When captured by the French, the English Longbowman would have his two string pulling fingers cut off. This led to the famous V sign or F*** Off sign.

I never knew that about the V sign of the two fingers. Very intresting piece of history and worth knowing.

Thanks for rounding out my history lesson with that unusal and appropriate piece of informations.

I own a 150 lb regular crossbow..It is not a toy..very dangerous if you are not careful with it. Powerful too.

Agree with another poster about the longbow...bacic and also powerful in skilled hands. There is alot to be said for the KISS principle. Keep It Simple Stupid.

Thanks again for the history lesson

Orangetom

Straight Razor

posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by AGENT_T

Originally posted by Mad_Hatter

Dunno what you're quite getting at, but that judging by that pic I'm guessing he wasn't ever going to be nominated for any high IQ awards..

I'm pretty sure a sharp pencil would have been just as effective against a sleeping victim..

[edit on 16-6-2008 by AGENT_T]

The man in the picture was recently charged with killing his mother, and he shot her with a cross bow.

Straight Razor

posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 05:57 AM
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Originally posted by Wotan
It is a well proven fact that Bows are far more lighter, accurate and faster than a Crossbow. The Crossbow scores in its penetration, but its reload times are terrible in comparison.

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You need to qualify your comments some. An expert in the longbow might be able to be more accurate than a beginner with a crossbow. But a beginner with a crossbow is far more accurate than most longbow users. The weapon has a shorter learning curve, and in the hands of an expert I think would be equal to or superior to the longbow. Longbows do reload faster, but not that much faster.

Two other points not mentioned: The crossbow is deadlier over longer distances and whether hunting with a crossbow of longbow, the hunter has to get much closer to his prey and be a far better hunter.

As for slingshots, they are essentially toys and pseudo-weapons of the last resort.