What Happened to Our Ancestors?

Hmm, I do consider this conspiracy to be a real possibility.

One of the things that I have always noticed archaeologists that they always try to relate texts or pictures to scripture or saying that it is some kind of myth thing and totally taking away the reality that there are some unexplainable things that the
Greeks, Egyptians, etc left behind.

Also, it might have been the Papacy doing those acts anyway so no one could really know what happened back then. Those ancient texts might have contained metaphysical knowledge or some exposing secrets that the Papacy might not have wanted to let out.

Very impressive undo,
I still think that the theories that are presented are the food for appetites of individuals that see way more than what is present.
For instance, you know I am atheist, but the people that try and prepare for a bigger better experience of going to heaven or a better place have nothing but their personal beliefs of what they have read from the bible and each case of these individuals, though very similar, have their own views of the words they have entrusted as the truth. Which is absolutely visible when you get a Christian and a Muslim at the same table together.
For the most part, I personally believe that the art of communication by verbal means outweighs the advent of writing down their experiences, which also allows me to think that the thing's that were spoken before the advent of writing have somehow been documented by their underling's of family evolution and experiences, with more than likely, inaccuracies to the tale they told or were telling.

What did the people use to exchange their ideas
The beginning of human communication
( using the oral way to communication )
People were speaking for something like 100,000 years before it ever occurred to anyone to scratch down any record of it at all
About 10,000 years ago, hunting and gathering began to be replaced by agriculture. After a period this settled life, around 8,000 years ago farming peoples seem to have invented ways of keeping count of things that went a step beyond tying knots in a rope. By around 4500 B.C., people in Mesopotamia (present-day Iraq) were making large numbers of clay tokens marked with lines and dots. One token for each category of things the clay tokens that had been used for many centuries. Egyptian hieroglyphic writing, which even more obviously consists of little pictures, seems to have evolved at the same time, about 3000 BC
And that was slowly evolved into the writing systems we are familiar with
We are unable to imagine a society without writing

www.darabee.com...

With this analogy of the forefront of more acceptable possibilities of any proofs, "Do you believe there were lost stories of history that were verbal one's at the onset of communication?" I lean towards this for being a more logical explanation of how communications have varied over the millenniums of humanity.

The hand written communication is approx. 30K years old, but yet there is a strong evidence of the verbal being a much older and therefore, a lost history of man kind as we understand it.

Means of human communication through time.
As long ago as 25,000-30,000 years B.C. first humans painted descriptive pictures on cave walls. The narrative compositions left on the walls of Lascaux represented their own way of communicating with the spiritual world and another. The well-preserved drawing depicted their deep religious beliefs, fears, and every day life. The pictorial type found in caves of Southern France and Spain is the beginning of written communication for the human kind.

myweb.cwpost.liu.edu...

Even though the fact of your particular theory does seem to hold water, I have to bag and differ from it being that easily explained with the "Cut and Dry" that you are personifying with your conclusions.
Thanks for E-mailing me your thread, is very interesting but doesn't do much more for me other than postulate other explanations for these possibilities.

reply to post by Allred5923


Hi and thanks for reading. Well, in Deutoronomy, Moses basically points out that the descendants of Adam, through Noah's line, had an oral tradition prior to it being written into text form. This oral tradition was due to the fact they had been slaves and the "gods" or "god" of Sumer and Akkad, did not want them to write or learn to write, only to learn a labor/trade skill and use it.

The job of maintaining written, mainstream history was in the hands of the scribes of the royals, who were literally, hybrid children of the gods. To understand that event, consider the "hybridization" was referred to in their texts as, "When Kingship descended from Heaven." It was further elaborated on by every ancient culture on the planet, some separated from each other by thousands of miles and yet somehow managing to come up with strikingly similar references to the gods coming down from the sky and creating hybrid kings and rulers. These were not fairy tales. These were humans that were physically altered, either as a result of sexual union with one of these so called "gods" or as a result of genetic manipulation or implantation or all of the above. I've read incidents where each example is clearly described.

So for at least 2000 years, only the mainstream versions were available to the public at large. The hebrews maintained their own version, however, as n oral tradition, which eventually was written down. By the time it was written down, however, alot of the ancient past it referred to, was already buried, in ruins, destroyed or simply no longer recognizable or verifiable.

So when German Higher Criticism came on the scene, they had no clue that waiting under the sands of Iraq, was an entire series of civilizations with texts that echo similar, nearly identical tales to those of the bible. So they pronounce the biblical texts as lacking in any historical support whatsoever. And that idea has stuck to this very day, even while more and more of the ancient past is dug up from the ground that verifies the historical veracity of the biblical texts, both in events and in the names of the places/locations/kings at the time.

and a star for you for reading this and commenting on it intelligently!

[edit on 9-6-2008 by undo]

reply to post by undo

You seem as very educated for this particular topic, though there are improbabilities as for myself to be accepting to these theories of yours, I will and always have thought of the bible as a history book with a twist of the "Omnipotent" characteristics of man kind.
I am always reminded that the references made by men/women/clergy or the like, used only thing's that they could describe as being, kind of like Moses and "The burning bush" translated into "UFO over a bush" descriptions of today.
With such vague and undisclosed possibilities of any of the so called "Myth's" being true, it is hard to accept, unless you realize that if they had a "Paranormal/Alien encounter, they would only have their surrounding's and their technologies of the day to be able to describe such events.
I have read a book called "The Nephilim of the Pyramids of the Apocalypse" and I couldn't even finish the book, it was so far out there, it lost all logical acceptance from me, I usually am not one to just toss a book away, but I did with that one. Actually, gave it to my baby sister, she is studying World Religion and theology at one of our local Universities.
Here's the cover picture of the book mentioned above:

But, regardless, we aren't very positive on anything dealing with our human past, we are allowed to assume til we are blue in the face, but getting indisputable and noncontroversial evidences is a rare and very eluding thing.

I'm the same way, so I went in search of evidence regarding the hybrids.

First, this one is not a hybrid human (I don't think, anyway), but rather a hybrid reptilian/grey. If we were fashioned in the "image" of God, perhaps one of those two have some of our body parts that we sport today, as they were other creations of the past.

Here is, I believe, the Biblical Serpent in the Garden, Lucifer, the Devil, Satan, Ra, Enki, Apollo, Apollyon and Abaddon:






It is from Enki's city of Eridu, Sumer, and is dated circa 4000 BC.
I challenge anyone to show me a single statue that dates prior to 3900 BC that clearly depicts a homo sapian. I don't think we were here. I think this bugger brought us here from somewhere else, as a slave race.

source
oi.uchicago.edu...

Older statues from other places, show the same type of thing... Reptilians, greys, things that look like a cross between those two, things that look clearly one or the other, but humans don't start showing up till later.

he has fangs not teeth



he has six fingers not five



[edit on 10-6-2008 by undo]

oops, see post above



[edit on 10-6-2008 by undo]

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I was going to search for the discovered tomb of the "Star-man/Star Traveler" and I ran across this website, I hope you can access it, but the page itself was copy protected and I couldn't go the usual route of posting.
You might have to cut and paste to your Addy bar for access.

images.google.com...://www.thehiddenrecords.com/images/starman%2520ramesside%25202.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.thehiddenrecords.co m/davinci_part1.htm&h=243&w=220&sz=29&hl=en&start=21&sig2=TIxgMzKi7QmuzksCWLSnMg&tbnid=p-Edk56YOogfYM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=100&ei=Iw1OSJicLJKugwKL0t3aDA&pre v=/images%3Fq%3D%2Btomb%2Bof%2Bstarman%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den

Like I said, don't know if this will work, and if it does, it's a very good article that's right up your alley, undo!

go here and paste that URL in the box. it will create a tiny url that you put in your post instead, so it doesn't
make the page scroll over
www.geocities.com...

[edit on 10-6-2008 by undo]

yep, i can't enter that url unless you make it tiny url.
there's a firefox add-on for tiny url as well. it's a very handy
thing to have on these message boards!

Wow what a thread Undo...
are you a scholar or something... you have done a lot of research...
A star and Flag from me

Yes it seems that something happened... and the history we read is not the actually waht happened especially for the time before 5000 yrs...

reply to post by undo

Interesting video series. Is it JW?

You mean Jehova Witness? I don't think so...

I've heard one theory that Enoch had a hand in designing the Great Pyramid. The Sphinx is from the same time and it has erosion suggesting it went through a flood. They recently found shells in the walls of the Sphinx as well. (how did shells get to the desert) So the thinking is its antediluvian.

Ashley recently posted about Hebrew astrology Mazzaroth here
it appears the Sphinx is a part of that.

reply to post by undo

The German Higher Critics were professors, scholars and priests of the Holy Roman Catholic order, who took it as a solemn duty to rip the ancient world apart and put it back together again in a way that would elevate the papacy's view of the biblical cannon above everything else -- bar none.

Not sure which part of the ancient world you are speaking of or which people you are looking for, but, it was the Roman Empire who massacred Christians for hundreds of years (until about 328 A.D.) and burned Bibles which were preserved by hiding them in caves i.e. “The Dead Sea Scrolls”. Also, the Bible as we know it was not translated into English until the 1600's which is almost 2,000 years later.

It would be nice to see all ancient texts crossed referenced, however, it is a consideration that may prove challenging in more than one respect.

Listed are some earlier facts that predate the Roman Empire:

The Andronovo culture, or Sintashta-Petrovka culture is actually a collection of similar local Bronze Age cultures that flourished ca. 2300–1000 BCE in western Siberia and the west Asiatic steppe

(see link for map I could not post it)

Map of the approximate maximal extent of the Andronovo culture. The formative Sintashta-Petrovka culture is shown in darker red. The location of the earliest spoke-wheeled chariot finds is indicated in purple. Adjacent and overlapping cultures (Afanasevo culture, Srubna culture, BMAC) are shown in green.

Because the names have been changed the following map may assist in your search.

(see link for map I could not post it)

Historical distribution in 100 BC: shown is Sarmatia, Scythia, Bactria and the Parthian Empire.

The Indo-Iranian languages are thought to have originated in Central Asia. The Andronovo culture

en.wikipedia.org...

Also see: Mithridates
en.wikipedia.org...

Ancient History Sourcebook: Mithridates & The Roman Conquests in the East, 90-61 BCE
www.fordham.edu...

From the Biblical account of Noah's children, the siblings and their offspring are as follows:

Four Sons of Ham:
1. Mizraim (Egypt)
2. Cush (Sudan, Ethiopia)
3. Put (Lybia)
4. Canaan (Hivites, Jebusites, Arvadites, Girgash ites, Amorites, Arkites, Sinites, Hittites, Sidonians, Perizzites, Zemarites)

Five Sons of Shem:
1. Elam (Arabia)
2. Asshur (Assyria)
3. Lud (Lydians)
4. Aram (Aramaic, Armenia, Mesopotamia, Syria)
5. Arphaxad (From which Abraham descended)

Seven Sons of Japheth
1. Javan (Greece, Romans, Romance -- French, Italians, Spanish, Portuguese)
2. Magog (Scythians, Slavs, Russians, Bulgarians, Bohemians, Poles, Slovaks, Croatians)
3. Madai (Indians & Iranic: Medes, Persians, Afghans, Kurds)
4. Tubal (South of Black Sea)
5. Tiras (Thracians, Teutons, Germans, Scandinavian, Anglo-Saxon, Jutes)
6. Meshech (Russia)
7. Gomer (Celtic)




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Sorry! the Islamic Allah that I worship is Different from Zeus because Allah is Far from temperamental and Unlike the gods that worshipped by Pagans Allah is Completely Immortal while Alien Gods that Worshipped by Pagans Like Sumerians, Egyptians, and Greeks are little or no more than Mortal beings simply because they can die while Allah are Simply Can't die

[edit on 30-4-2010 by masonicon]

Originally posted by masonicon
Sorry! the Islamic Allah that I worship is Different from Zeus because Allah is Far from temperamental and Unlike the gods that worshipped by Pagans Allah is Completely Immortal while Alien Gods that Worshipped by Pagans Like Sumerians, Egyptians, and Greeks are little or no more than Mortal beings simply because they can die while Allah are Simply Can't die

Good for you.

Undo, do you suggest that these "gods" used advanced technology to accomplish things instead of supernatural powers?

reply to post by Hydroman


seems some of them did unless i'm
misunderstanding the data.

reply to post by undo


Undo have you read Apolloyn Rising by Tom Horn yet? I think it is coherent with your general hypothesis here...

reply to post by Bigwhammy


no i haven't. but he and i have several points of view that jive. i've not read his gate book either. been too poor to buy books for a few years now. i don't even own a bottle of perfume or a tube of lipstick at this point. most families have both parents working but due to health problems, i haven't been able to work for almost 20 years. hubby's been carrying the whole responsibility. poor guy.

reply to post by undo


I just sent you an email with a suggestion for some source material.

reply to post by Bigwhammy


i saw a music video from horn. was that you?