Flight 441 (the “Bin Ladin Family Flight”)

Soon after the events of 9/11 several aircraft were chatered for special VIPs and royal family members.

1 plane had sevreal memebers of Bin-Ladins family on on it. This aircraft was monitored and protected by the FBI.

www.9-11commission.gov...
On September 20, 2001, at 2:05 A.M., Ryan International Flight 441, a Boeing 727 contracted by the Saudi embassy, departed the United States from Boston, Massachusetts, for Newfoundland.

The screening of this flight was directed by an FBI agent in the Baltimore Field Office who was also a pilot. This agent, coordinating with FBI headquarters, sent an electronic communication to each of the field offices within whose jurisdiction the Bin Ladin flight was scheduled to land; it including the proposed flight manifest and directions regarding what screening should occur. The communication directed agents in those offices to verify the identities of the passengers and ensure “that the flight did not pose a threat to US security.”The Baltimore agent monitored the flight as it moved around the country—from St. Louis to Los Angeles to Orlando to Washington Dulles and to Boston Logan— correcting for any changes in itinerary to make sure there was no lapse in FBI screening.

Most of the 23 passengers were Saudi nationals. Most of the Saudis were relatives of Usama Bin Ladin, and 12 had the last name Bin Ladin.

Its just too bad the FBI and other agencies could not protect the US citizens as well as the did Bin Ladins familiy.



[edit on 3-6-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Star and flag.

Why do you think the FBI escorted the Bin Laden family before even questioning?

I do not think the men who escorted them were part of any 9/11 coverup, but who gave the orders to do such a thing?

seems odd.

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Since they are blood related its understandable about seeing Americans with pitchforks and torches ready to take any blood related Bin Ladens to the guillotine. Would you be mad at the Bin Laden family because one of their sons committed the crime? You probably blame on the parents for how he became when he grew up.

... your own link shows that this "special flight" was 9 days later. More reliable sources show them flying out before that. You state "soon". Commercial airtravel had resumed 4 days later, so when would be the best time to fly out?

I don't see why this is relavent, but I can not keep straight what direction the CTers are coming from anyway.

Originally posted by Jake the Dog Man
I don't see why this is relavent, but I can not keep straight what direction the CTers are coming from anyway.

Since when is looking for the truth a CT ?

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What's your angle here? What new truth are you exposing, and what does it mean in the big 9/11 picture?

Originally posted by darkbluesky
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What's your angle here? What new truth are you exposing, and what does it mean in the big 9/11 picture?

None, as with his FBI-removed-evidence-from-the-WTC thread this is old news, slanted as to appear inflammatory and spur conversation. At some point, you have to wonder if Roger's antics are being tolerated by the moderators because he draws so much traffic to the site from people anxious to shout him down.

More to the point of the topic at hand, the timing of your "facts" may well be in dispute Roger but ultimately there's no point to be made here. The government moved these people out of the country, obviously for their own safety. Making a claim like "too bad they couldn't protect the average citizen as well as they protected the Bin Ladens" is patronizing and insulting. I would expect better, more mature behavior from someone who claims to work for the NSA with access to classified documents on this subject.

Ultima. your OP states this:

On September 20, 2001, at 2:05 A.M., Ryan International Flight 441, a Boeing 727 contracted by the Saudi embassy, departed the United States from Boston, Massachusetts, for Newfoundland.

What was so wrong with this? The flight was AFTER commercial flights were resumed.

The flight was filled with Saudi nationals. The United States was attacked by who they believed was Osama Bin Laden. Who was DISOWNED by his family.

Since you failed to prove ANY of the hijackers were alive on your other thread, you will reach in here and find the same thing. NOTHING


Typical

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I normally don't make comments like what I'm about to, but I have to agree with KarmaIncarnate.

You saying "too bad they couldn't protect the average citizen as well as the Bin Ladens" is taking it too far. This is a great insult to the agents who were just doing their jobs in reaction to the attacks.

The FBI's job is to investigate federal crimes within the United States. All they were doing was responding to a crime that had already occured. Do you seriously expect the FBI to have an agent for each and every family that was affected by 9/11? What would you propose those agents do to save those lives?

If you are an employee of the NSA, then doesn't your own quote affect you as well? Wouldn't you have failed to "protect the average citizen"?

Like many before my post, I fail to see how this is matters at all to the 9/11 discussions. If anything, it only shows that the FBI reacted correctly to protect the innocent members of the Bin Laden family. By doing so, they stopped any further mass mobs from forming, which I commend them for doing.

[edit on 4-6-2008 by HLR53K]

Since when is looking for the truth a CT ?


It isn't. You don't sound like you would know the truth if it were in front of you. You seem to think that just asking questions makes you smarter then those who know the answers.

Your recent posts are so "immature" I'm beginning to wonder if you aren't working at a Radio Shack part-time after school.

Spend some of your summer vacation at the library to answer most of your questions... because they are getting tiresome here...

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See, Ultima dislikes being grouped into the CTists. But he has no issues grouping anyone who questions him as a "believer", regardless of their comment.


One thing I would like to add is that I dare you, Ultima, to say "Its just too bad the FBI and other agencies could not protect the US citizens as well as [they] did Bin Ladins familiy." to the face of any of the FBI agents tasked with escorting the Bin Laden family. I dare you.

Originally posted by HLR53K
You saying "too bad they couldn't protect the average citizen as well as the Bin Ladens" is taking it too far. This is a great insult to the agents who were just doing their jobs in reaction to the attacks.

Why weren't the FBI the CIA and FAA doing its job when they had all the warnings about hijackings?

They were busy teaching the NSA agents basic grammar.

Or perhaps there were failures at several levels of the intelligence community. They should create an independent, bipartisan commission about it or something. Maybe they could address ways to make it work better in the future. Call it something clever like 911 Commission...

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Why weren't the FBI the CIA and FAA doing its job when they had all the warnings about hijackings?

"their jobs"

Why do you continue to advocate two contradictory theories?

One group of your postings clearly display your opinion that either: a) no aiplane crashed at the Pentagon, or b) the airplane that crashed at the Pentagon was not a 757, therfore not AA77.

The other, newer line of posts seems to accuse the government of not acting on all the early warning signs of the 9/11 hijacking and plane crashing plot.

If a) is true "no plane" then 9/11 is definitely an inside US govt job, and b) makes no sense and is completely irrelevant.

If b) is true, then 9/11 was exactly what it appeared to be, albeit possibly with US govt pre-knowledge and tacit approval.

Advice to you, stop spining in circles, choose one avenue of reserch and pursue it to its endpoint. Then begin another. I'd abandon the no plane crap and start looking into all the suspicious business deals, cancelled 9/11 meetings, missing money, put deals, short stock sales, etc.

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Because, as has been addressed on ATS many, many times, no one agent/desk had ALL the info needed to have an accurate picture. And they were forbidden by federal statute in many cases from sharing that info with their counterparts in other agencies. In other words, we might have had all the jigsaw puzzle pieces we needed, but they were locked in different rooms. Makes it hard to put the puzzle together.

For crying out loud, we had that figured out before the 9/11 Commission.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Why weren't the FBI the CIA and FAA doing its job when they had all the warnings about hijackings?

You've made the claim on this board repeatedly that you are an employee within the NSA, specifically tasked with signals intelligence. Now here you are laying blame at the feet of these other agencies and accepting none for yourself. You can't have it both ways Roger. Either you work for the NSA and are then just as culpable in the blame you're so freely distributing, or you're a liar with paranoid delusions of grandeur and a penchant for armchair quarter backing. I won't waste my time asking you which one it is, I think we've already drawn our own conclusions.

[edit on 5-6-2008 by KarmaIncarnate]

Originally posted by _Del_
Maybe they could address ways to make it work better in the future. Call it something clever like 911 Commission...

Just too bad the people on the 9/11 commission stated they did not have enough time or money to do a proper investigation.

Originally posted by darkbluesky
One group of your postings clearly display your opinion that either: a) no aiplane crashed at the Pentagon, or b) the airplane that crashed at the Pentagon was not a 757, therfore not AA77.

I never stated no plane crashed into the Pentagon. I have constantly stated that we have no evidence of what hit the Pentagon.

Originally posted by KarmaIncarnate Either you work for the NSA and are then just as culpable in the blame you're so freely distributing,

Well if you would have done any research you would know that NSA was 1 of the agencies that warned the government of the hijackings.

NSA was listening to OBLs satellite phone, untill the media printed a story that NSA could do this. OBL stopped using his satellite phone the next day.

I suggest you do research before posting about something you clearly know nothing about.