Does this quote make it all but impossible to vote for Obama?

'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.' (From his book, "Audacity of Hope").

Cut and dry simple. How can any American in good faith vote for this man now that we have seen what his agenda is really about? I have tried to give Obama the benefit of the doubt and I have tried to keep an open mind when considering his words and his point of view.

However, after reading some of his material from a few of his publishings I now find it extremely difficult to listen any longer to anything that he has to say. It is impossible to misconstrue what he has said in the above referenced quote. Anyone who can read can clearly understand what he is saying: I am Muslim above all else.

Personally I have no issue with the Islamic religion in general, it has been hijacked by the radical groups and used for evil, much like Christianity and a lot of other religions.

That being said, I also realize that the war in which we are in is very real, and the people who hate the west and want to see it destroyed is also very real. The fact remains, however unfortunate, that most of these people happen to be Muslims. I do not believe that a president has to be Captain America or some sort of super patriotic type of person in order to do a great job. But there must be allegiance to the people of this country and a commitment to serve in our best interests.

I for one do not see how in good faith we can elect someone who appears to have no loyalty or any sense of responsibility towards the very country that he wishes to rule. These types of sentiments that have been reflected in Obama's writings are very alarming and should be a huge red flag for anyone looking to cast a vote. I ask you other potential voters out there, does this type of rhetoric not bother you? How is this man still a viable potential candidate?

I am no Republican by any means, and lord knows I am no big fan of John Mccain. But I will say this, at least I know that when the stink hits the fan he would be willing to lay down his life to defend our country at all cost. He has proven this once already.

Look's to me like Obama would just open the gates and invite the enemy inside for bean pies and beverages. Sorry Barack, I think I will pass.

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Seriously folks, how can we trust this man to be our next president? I just finished watching CNN and Obama is working so hard to somehow distance himself from Rev Wright and that whole debacle.

But this quote and the many other shockers that I have found are HIS words, not someone elses. He could somehow possibly convince people that he does not hold the same beliefs as Wright, but where is the explanation for the horrible things that he has written in his books? How does one distance himself from his own beliefs?

Bottom line, this man can't be trusted to lead our country.

I do not know if you are making this post as humorous discourse or you really do mean it , I do not know wether to laugh or cry .

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Well I guess you should take it however you wish. I tend to get a bit concerned when a high profile presidential candidate is quoted as saying that he will stand with Muslims when the ultimate situation arises.

Where does that leave the people of America? I really do not understand how it could be any clearer. I have nothing against the man on a personal level, but I see a serious conflict of interest in his statements. Sorry if you can't grasp that.

You do realize that you're way off base and probably don't understand what he actually said.

It's pretty funny actually.

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Muslims are not so terrible. In fact, people of the Islamic faith make up the second largest religious demographic in the world. Would you rather have a president who makes such a large group of people our enemies, or Obama who might actually try to make peace with these peoples.

What he's saying is that he wont go Hitler on us and throw all the Muslims in camps, in order to please rightwing nuts who think every American Muslim 7/11 owner or limo driver is secretly in league with Osama Bin Laden.

And it makes me want to vote for him, not against him.

Then again I'm not a fascist nutburger

The quote is actually this in full...

"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

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Now THAT is not a bad quote in it's full context...

Semper

As I said, I do not have any issue with Muslim people and as I stated before I realize that it is only the radical part of Islam that gives the rest a bad name. I understand that. My only question is his commitment to America and it's citizens, just trying to see where Obama would draw the line. Even the most bleeding heart liberals will be able to admit that there is a war raging right now between the US military and Muslim fighters in the middle east. See the issue?

War v/s Islamic guerilla groups + Islamic sympathist as president = poor outcome.

Let me also ask this question. Why does a man like Obama come out and proclaim his Christianity and his devotion toward Americas future and at the same time pronounce his allegiance to the Islamic world?

Nothing he says adds up. Ever. You cant be both. Much like you cannot sit in a racist church for 20 years and then out of the blue pretend that you never heard a word? That he didnt know what doctrine was being preached? Please. Some people are so painfully blind and stupid that it is almost pathetic. Face it, Senator Obama is a proven liar. He says one thing in public and then does an entirely different thing in private.

Which Obama will he be tomorrow? Maybe Jebediah Obama the Quaker? How about Herschel Obama the Hassidic Jew?

My guess is he will put on whatever face he best believes will get him elected, then his true colors will come out. Waste your vote on this guy if you want, it is your right to do so, but if you cant see through this facade of a politician then it is pretty sad commentary for the Deomocratic party.

And for the record I am not saying Hillary or John Mccain are one bit better than Obama. I just want to know when someone will actually get this man to tell the thruth for once. Politicians politic and actors act, and he seems to be both.

Barak Hussein Obama is done...stick a fork in him

Gun Totin, why do you find it humorous? Even if you feel that what the OP is stating does not mean to you what it means to him, I fail to see the humor in what the OP is addressing. That said, I believe that Obama's agenda may be more than we could ever expect. I am not offended by his color or religion, I am offended by his lack of ability to show patriotism for this great country, the country he is vying to lead. If he has no patriotism then with what will he lead us? Our soldiers are asked to take their patriotism with them into war, and let it be the foundation of even dying to save the lives of others, to proctect and serve in the name of America, if the ultimate leader has none, then he has no support for those who are fighting, dead and dying for freedom and peace. I will not be voting for Obama myself.

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Yess! this babe has got brains! a star for you ma'dear

Well, it is just the same Muslims hate the west, hate our freedom kind of BS you can pick up from any fool US media channel trying to propogate the government lie . You do not think it humorous? Do you think muslims hate your freedom ? You think it has nothing whatsover to do with .. say overthrowing elected governments to install favourable puppet regimes to procur oil for example ? It is just another banal attempt to put fear into people again, lies, mistruths, untruths preying on the easily beguiled.

I can tell you , you might all take it very seriously, this multitudes of muslim terrorist hates the west myth, but not everyone is taken in by this pack of lies , especially ones not submerged in a daily dosage of lies supplied by the US media.








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What is so bad about Muslims??? There is nothing wrong. I have been to Muslim countries and the people there are very nice. They are very down to earth people.

Good posts BlackOps and SpaceCadet. Bottom line is, Muslims that run for power are radicals. Their religion promotes supreme alligiance at levels to Allah in hgh positions on Earth. Iran thinks it is going to be the Muslim host state to the second coming of Imam Mahdi and thus believes it must have Nukes and be the most powerful Muslim nation to be worthy.

Radical Muslims and Nukes don't mix!! We don't need a Muslim running our country to hand over to China. China already controls Iran, NK, Pakistan and other puppet states.

If Obama gets his way and your sister cheats on her Husband, she'll get stoned to death for it no questions asked.

I think you get the point, Obama is not only Communist, he is Muslim to boot. Not right for this country.

Originally posted by jetxnet
Bottom line is, Muslims that run for power are radicals.

I think you get the point, Obama is not only Communist, he is Muslim to boot. Not right for this country.

Wow, you win the "think before you speak" award. About the Islamic faith promoting "supreme alligiance at levels to Allah in hgh positions on Earth." (and by the way, this forum does have a spell check), does Christianity not ask the same of it's Christians? In fact, I believe it's one of the ten commandments.

Oh, and Obama is much closer to a socialist than a communist, but you probably don't know the difference, do you?

I'm getting to lazy to spell-check but just to make you happy Dr. Lizard, make sure you form complete sentences, OK? You had a dependent clause followed by a question with no sentence subject or verb, but who's checking right?

Of course I knew that about Christians and somehow knew some weak argumentative socialist loving person would bring that up.

Obama is Communist, or extreme Socialist, which are one in the same. Everything is state controlled, those at the top benefit tremendously while everyone works for them just to get by.





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Originally posted by semperfortis
The quote is actually this in full...

"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

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Now THAT is not a bad quote in it's full context...

Thank you Semper.

NOW...is anyone else getting tired of sound bytes and quotes taken out of context and blown up to the point where the misguided and unimformed public wrenches in disgust???!!!

That seems to be the plan.

Do some research folks.

Don't go by one sentence and rush to anger that is the sign of an alarmist or a fool.

I know there is an active campaign to attack Obama at the moment but lets be rational and look at the proof before jumping off the bridge.

That quote won't stop me from voting for him should I choose to any more than if he said Christians. A true President should stand by those of the Muslim faith...as well as ANY other citizen of America should they be placed under unjust scrutiny or abuses.

Your agenda is clear. It is alarmist, irrational fear-mongering and unworthy of the fear you hope to generate.

Nice try but next time put it in context before you try and play up on Muslim-hate/fear.

- Lee

Thanks Lee, showing that whole quote makes it more clear now that the other 99% of facts relative to Obama's bad character are all fear mongering.

Yeahp, his associations with known terrorists, racists and Muslim radical groups are all made up.

Of course, you'll say where is the proof? It's all over. It's in his book "Audacity of Hope" and "Dreams of My Father". It's told by his typical White Grandmother and his Black Muslim Grandmother from Keyna.

I'm afraid you are not 'alamist' enough my friend.

Obama started his campaign as a soft spoken legal-philosopher with a social conscience, with the promise of ushering in the post-racial era of the 21st Century and plenty of ill-defined promises of "change."

Taking this message and combining with his charm, wit, and charisma he really thought that he could "croon" himself into the White House.

There were a few problems and some recurring themes that caused considerable instability in his effort to promulgate his message.

One was his wife's sticking her foot in her mouth more than once.

Another was his pastor of twenty years having his "greatest hits" sermon DVDs sold by the church getting into the hands of the press and shocking the daylights out of the white liberal elite who only have comic book understanding black culture.

Then, while Wright was taking a vacation, Obama did a good job of convincing the public that he could actually be the post-racial great uniter in a speech that inspired news anchors and print media editors alike, if no one else.

So, no sooner than Obama seems to be getting his "sea legs" back, Wright emerges from the shadows and makes several speeches that make him come off as a combination of Adolph Hitler and Crusty the Clown, while he quickly throws Obama under the bus.

Eventually the videos of these interviews and public speeches are going to go public in their entirety and people will begin to wonder anew how a candidate could attend a church for twenty years and not notice that the pastor is a self-righteous, self-aggrandizing, money-grubbing buffoon.

It is clear to me at least that Obama grew up pretty much an "Oreo"--black on the outside and white on the inside. He was raised in a white culture, attended the top two Ivy League schools and excelled in both endeavors.

When he went to Chicago, he fooled no one, because it would be clear to any homeboy that even though Obama was a little dark and had nappy hair, that was just the exterior and that he was culturally white.

This must have been a difficult issue to deal with for a man who wanted to work with the poorest of the poor to bring about social change.

So, what was he to do? He looked for a mentor and he found one Rev. Wright and his radical Afrocentric liberation ideology. Wright was just the man to teach Obama to be really black, from the inside out.

Not only that, but Wright had connections in the black community that would facilitate Obama's career goals.

Wright was Obama's pastor, but only the comatose would be oblivious the fact that Wright was a good deal more than a pastor.

What cannot be ignored by the astute among us is that for twenty years, Obama and his privileged wife and children were exposed to the Wright's perverted, antithetical version of Christianity, which is not really Christianity at all.

Obama accumulated a lot of baggage during is career and predictably, when the the campaign got a little hot, the "chickens came home to roost" and Wright has promised to "come after Obama" just as soon as he gets elected, provided that happens.

Obama all but had the nomination tied up just a few weeks ago and in the meantime, Wright has made himself look like a paranoid schizophrenic and Obama look like a rube who slept through twenty years of Sunday morning sermons.

And to top it all off, Hillary is in hog heaven.


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