for neo-nazi holocaust deniers

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Here are a few interesting posts depicting the Rothschild empire (which financed WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the war in central Europe, both Iraqs, Afghanistan, armed and trained al Qaeda and also finance about 20-30 other ongoing wars, through their interlocking directorates in the Fed, Bank of England, City of London, Bundesbank, and so on:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

on the previous post I said:

Originally posted by counterterrorist
Here are a few interesting posts depicting the Rothschild empire (which financed WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the war in central Europe, both Iraqs, Afghanistan, armed and trained al Qaeda and also finance about 20-30 other ongoing wars, through their interlocking directorates in the Fed, Bank of England, City of London, Bundesbank, and so on:

However, I forgot to mention, they financed BOTH sides of each of those wars. Plus, they ran up the national debts of BOTH sides, which pay them interest and are in economic slavery to them.

The other interesting thing is that in addition to co-owning the Fed and being the debtor of the national debt of 9 trillion dollars (WE are the debtee), THEY also own Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac and are the debtor to whom WE owe another 4 trillion dollars (WE are the debtee).

AND, they owned BCCI in partnership with the Saudis AND were responsible for the S&L rip-off.

SO, that's why I say, seizure and redistribution of THEIR wealth equally among all folks is the only weapon THEY fear.

Interestingly, (see urls from preceding post) if the Rothschilds own 1/2 of the world wealth ... who owns the other half?

A lot of folks say it is the Vatican Catholic Sovereign State.

Since City of London is the intertwined with the Rothschilds financial empire, is it also intertwined with the empire of the Vatican Catholic Sovereign State?

As stated elsewhere in this post, the Vatican Catholic Sovereign State is a sovereign country; the Knights of Malta (the Catholic warlords of Earth) is also a sovereign country, although they are only a corporation; and, the City of London are a sovereign country, too.

Therefore, are these sovereign countries not also City-States? And, therefore, are we not using the same governing units of Kings & Queens of the Middle and Dark Ages -- AND -- the same Priest-Kings of pre-Christian times, still today? --as we explore and begin the Space Age.

Here are your time travelers: human consciousness, human personality traits, human immorality AND human immortality ... as a race.

Will we ever become immortal on an individual basis, as we are as a human race?

Who cares? In the meantime, let's redistribute all of God's inhuman wealth equally among all of God's human creations.

This is the only way to stop the conspiracy of centralization of wealth through genocide, war, starvation, biowar and chemwar.

Distributed, decentralized wealth, equally dispersed to every human being.

Or, don't you realize what the Conspiracy is all about?
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also, see Chavez wanting Russian bases in Venezuela mythology www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 23-7-2008 by counterterrorist]

DEUTSCHE BANK - perhaps an unseen co-founder of the FED along w/Bank of England representing & benefitting (Rothschild, Rockefeller's Chase Manhattan, Warburg, Schroder, et al)

Certainly a major player in the progression from O - WO - NWO - Fourth Reich

The Financial Destabilization of America
The establishment of the FED was a major financial coup -- by the German bankers -- immediately successful in bankrupting America and transferring all our gold to Germany in the Great Depression. After WWII, with the value of the Deutchmark at 4 trillion marks to the dollar ... it looks like Deutche Bank is getting its revenge.

Remember, after WWI and after WWII, American international bankers that owned the Fed, along with the German bankers that owned the Fed and Bank of England, bought up ALL of German and Japanese and Italian industry for, well ... it looks like less than pennies on the dollar, if 4 trillion marks equaled one dollar.


Die Deutsche Bank by Paul A. Schons
courseweb.stthomas.edu...

Since its beginnings in the 19th century, the name of Germany’s largest private bank Die Deutsche Bank has led to confusion between itself and the German central bank, Die Deutsche Bundesbank (earlier Die Deutsche Reichsbank).


Die Deutsche Bank
With the advent of the new central bank of the European Union, the European Bank, the Bundesbank has taken on a subordinate position, whereas the private bank, Die Deutsche Bank, continues to grow and fill a powerful economic position with world wide impact.

With its newest large acquisition of the American bank, Bankers Trust, Die Deutsche Bank has about 100,000 employees worldwide.

Die Deutsche Bank is one of the largest and most influential banks in the world.

Die Deutsche Bank was founded in 1870 in Berlin.

Prior to that the financing of German world trade had been handled primarily through London banks.

But with the growth of German industry and its rapidly increasing involvement in international ventures, a need had developed for an international banking facility within Germany. A group of industrialists and domestic bankers headed by Adelbert Delbrück and Ludwig Bamberger initiated the founding of the new bank.


The bank had a small start in some rented rooms in Berlin.

The first head of the bank’s management was Georg Siemens.

The thirty year old had previously worked with the telegraph company of his father’s cousin, Werner Siemens. (Werner Siemens was the founder of the company which would develop into the present day electronics company, Siemens AG.) When Georg Siemens met with the other members of the start-up management team during the first days he had to admit that he knew nothing about banking. One of his first tasks was to spend time in a library learning banking terminology. The chairman of the board of directors, Adelbert Delbrück, did, however, know the banking industry well.

The bank opened for business on April 9, 1870 as a joint stock company. The charter had been personally approved by King Wilhelm I of Prussia. The new bank had 76 shareholders and a starting capital of 5 million thalers ($ 3.5 million). The new bank soon established branches in Germany’s two major ports, Bremen and Hamburg as well as setting up representation in London, New York and Paris. In addition to its international transactions, the bank also broadened its base with domestic banking.


Die Deutsche Bank benefited from the economic boom following the Franco-Prussian war and the establishment of a unified Germany after 1871. By 1876 Die Deutsche Bank held more assets than any other bank in Germany.

The defeat of Germany in World War I led, of course, to great financial challenges for the bank, but it was the hyperinflation after the war that nearly destroyed it.

At the worst point the exchange value of the German Mark fell to 4.2 trillion marks to the dollar.

Die Deutsche Bank developed an outlandish (but successful) policy of “growing out of the crisis” and undertook a series of wide ranging acquisitions of weaker banks and other interests. The largest acquisition of this period was the merger with Deutsche Bank’s strongest competitor, the Disconto-Gesellschaft.


The bank continued to grow and prosper until the Wall Street crash of 1929. That crisis was soon followed by the ascent of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party. The war years led to a stronger financial position of the bank initially, but with the collapse of Germany in 1945 Die Deutsche Bank, along with all of German industry, was devastated. In the Russian Zone private banks were soon disallowed and in the Western zones the bank was broken up into smaller regional banks. For the time being, Die Deutsche Bank ceased to be. Its holdings in the West were divided between the newly created Norddeutsche Bank, Rheinisch-Westfälische Bank and the Süddeutsche Bank.

It was immediately clear in the eyes of the German bankers and industrialists that rebuilding industry and reestablishing international trade would require a centralized banking system. The Western Allies too, as soon as it became clear that a dangerous conflict was developing with the Soviet Union, began to have greater interest in the redevelopment of an economically strong western Germany. By 1952 the regional offices of the old large banks, Die Deutsche Bank, Die Dresdener Bank and Die Commerzbank were allowed to begin to develop cooperative undertakings among their regional offices. In 1955 the German parliament passed a law making large national banks possible once again. In 1957 Die Deutsche Bank reconstituted itself once again with headquarters in Frankfurt. At that time Hermann J. Abs was elected to head the management of the bank.


As the German “economic miracle” with its fantastic rates of growth through the 60s and 70s took place, Die Deutsche Bank grew also at unprecedented rates. The bank reestablished itself quickly as a “global player”. Branch offices were opened in the world’s financial and industrial centers. It was Alfred Herrhausen who was at the head of the organization during the critical period of global development. He developed the strategy and oversaw much of the redevelopment of the global bank. It was possibly for the reason of his global visions that he was targeted by leftist terrorists and was assassinated in 1989.

The current head of the bank is Josef Ackermann who took the position on May 22, 2002. The domestic operations of Die Deutsche Bank along with other European banks successfully participated in the introduction of a new currency, the euro, and the withdrawal of the German mark from circulation in 2002. This was not the first new currency the bank had dealt with. It participated in exchanging the Taler for the Mark in 1873. The Rentenmark was introduced 1923. In 1924 the Reichsmark was introduced. The Deutsche Mark became the West German currency in 1948.

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(For interlocking directorates of City of London, Fed, Bank of England, Bundesbank, see www.my2012.4t.com... )


[edit on 24-7-2008 by counterterrorist]

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references for post:‘Secret War Against Jews’, -Loftus & Aarons, Loftus www.john-loftus.com... ;
‘Secrets of Federal Reserve’, -Eustace Mullins www.whale.to... ;
‘All Honorable Men’, -John Stewart Martin;
‘Great Conspiracy Against Soviet Russia’, - Sayers & Kahn;
‘Nazis Go Underground’, -Kurt Riess www.abovetopsecret.com... [/url online: ‘The Nazis Go Underground’. -Curt Reiss – [url=] www.spitfirelist.com... spitfirelist.com...; ‘Martin Bormann, Nazi in Exile’-Paul Manning www.spitfirelist.com... Emory: www.spitfirelist.com...
‘New Germany & Old Nazis’, -Tete Harens Tetens
‘The Great Heroin Coup’, -Henrik Kruger
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HELLO, DEUTSCHE BANK! 1870-2008 [FAQ: Deutsche Bank's history’ www.db.com... co-founded FED? charts 1-5, www.db.com...
CONTROL WORLD FOOD & WORLD MONEY SUPPLY
Baron von Schroder, Dir, Bank of International Settlements (bank for central banks), Schutzstaffel SS General in 1944, Schutzstaffel SS Intelligence Div directed Nazi underground activities in Germany & multinationally.
WWI
Schroder Corp. directors CONTROLLED FOOD SUPPLY in U.S. thru grain & sugar czars in WWI. Baron Bruno von Schroder sr partner of J. Henry Schroder, Bruno’s father, dir of largest Brazilian coffee company, Sao Paulo Coffee Allen Dulles (co-head of OSS then CIA director) was dir of J. Henry Schroder Co. In 1938, London Schroder Bank was German financial agent.
NY branch of Schroder merged in 1936 w/Rockefellers, as Schroder, Rockefeller, Inc. at 48 Wall Street. Carlton P. Fuller of Schroder president of firm. Avery Rockefeller vice-president. was behind-the-scenes partner of J. Henry Schroder for years & set-up Bechtel Corp., whose employees (on leave) led Reagan Administration, as Sec of Defense & Sec of State.
establishment of international Schroder group of companies in 1960s, 1970s & early 1980s
WWII
Nazi Baron Kurt von Schroder was conduit for IT&T money funneled to Himmler’s SS organization, 1944, w/WWII in progress & U.S. at war w/Germany.
Kurt von Schroder, 1940’s, President of Deutsche Reichsbahn, Reich Board of Economic Affairs, SS Senior Group Leader, Council of Reich Post Office, Deutsche Reichsbank, other banks & industrial groups.
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summary of p22 posts

DIS - INFO

granted it makes good reading -- however, Iam niether a Nazi or a Communist or a Jew.

So I have no vested interest in any form of history.

*burned Corpes in a bon fire ... lets see that without millons of gallons of fuel.

Originally posted by BornPatriot
DIS - INFO

disinformation? Interesting -- there are about 100 book authors referenced, about 30 investigative reporters, about 100 newspaper articles, about 10 intelligence community participants and/or intelligence historians, and a bunch of allied and axis folks, too -- all saying the same things.
more like disinterest, perhaps?

granted it makes good reading

thanks. nothing like instant gratification ... it works for me. It is fascinating reading.

-- however, Iam niether a Nazi or a Communist or a Jew. So I have no vested interest in any form of history.

hmmm. what ARE you? I can give you a history based on what YOU are. You might enjoy that. I can see from your nuclear explosion avatar going off that looks like a male rod going through a female circle, sort of, that you're into animation and nonconventional warfare.

*burned Corpes in a bon fire ... lets see that without millons of gallons of fuel.

How about 1 match and a dry forest bed and resinous canopy? The bodies I think you're referring to were stacked alternating with a layer of logs, a layer of bodies, a layer of logs, a layer of bodies and so on. They're eye-witness accounts.

I was new to ATS when I did those first few pages and didn't now how to provide documentation with the html coding, so it's supplied later in the string, and again in the summaries of previous pages around p21-22 may be a good place to jump to after you read the first few paragraphs, as it gets into O - WO - NWO - Fourth Reich - WTC/911 - bio/chem war (you seem to like nonconventional warfare based on your nuclear explosion avatar.

thanks for responding.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by counterterrorist]

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reply to post by counterterrorist


Very interesting and indepth investigative articles. Referring to your articles, would it be fair to say that the Rothschilds propped up both Communism and Hitler to "Wage a War" based on Looting and Profits, which is still in motion in shades of gray with new sub-titles.....and is in fact a "War against Humanity"

Originally posted by Dubyakadubla
reply to post by counterterrorist

 

Very interesting and indepth investigative articles. Referring to your articles, would it be fair to say that the Rothschilds propped up both Communism and Hitler to "Wage a War" based on Looting and Profits, which is still in motion in shades of gray with new sub-titles.....and is in fact a "War against Humanity"

Thanks for your comment. Yes, the Fed & Bank of England financed both sides of all the wars. Basically thieves, pirates, slave traders and drug traders, not to mention petroleum brokers.

-- THEY are the 'money-issuing class' above the 'ruling class' above the 'middle class of managers' above the 'blue-collar working class' above the 'poor and entitlement class' (because jobs aren't provided for everyone.

And Rockefeller and Harriman for example, financed the Bolshevik revolution against the soviets and Harriman founded the Ruskombank in 1921, a communist bank, and thereafter financed Russia up to today. The soviets were 'democractic workers governing units', and the bolsheviks were basically capitalists. The soviets were stomped out in a few years because they believed in redistribution of wealth. Remember, only the Czar and Kaisar were rich, and the russian people and german people were hungry and poor and sick. THAT'S WHY THE SOVIET REVOLUTION HAPPENED ALL ACROSS EUROPE, AND WAS SUCCESSFUL IN GERMANY, BUT ONLY FOR A SHORT WHILE, before everyone believing in democracy was murdered.

Here, in the U.S., redistribution of wealth was popular among the people from about 1921 to 1945, until the depression was waged against us. Remember, we had to fight for 8-hr days 5-days a week, it used to be 24-7 in the U.S., then 6 days 12 hours long, and women were not allowed to vote, just like in the Arab countries ... this would be in the days of your grandparents and great-grandparents.

Yes, while it is a war against humanity, as you say, it's moreso a war of capitalists against wage-slaves. By capitalists, I mean those that OWN and PRINT the money, the interlocking directorates of the FED for example. THEY print and own the money. We are wage-slaves, because we do not own and print the money, we merely rent the money, at great interest. WE are in debt. THEY are not. WE owe THEM money.

Therefore the time-tested way to defeat the greedy, is by taking their wealth away from them, and redistributing it equally to everyone.

It's probably much less than 1% of humanity that owns 99% of everything. We are the 99% that own the 1%

There's a big confusion, everyone thinks they are 'capitalists' -- but only those who own and print the money are capitalists.

[edit on 25-7-2008 by counterterrorist]

The following post is extremely important and contains several videos documenting how the U.S. financed both the Soviet Union from day one and Hitler -- with U.S. financial and technology transfers.

It is called, 'Premium ATS: Skull & Bones armed al Qaeda, Viet Cong, USSR & Hitler; Bush & Hitler joined Skull & Bones' and is located at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Furthermore, it documents how Skull & Bones, and Rockefeller, were behind the founding and maintanence of Hitler and his Nazis ... and ... behind the founding and maintenance of the Bolshevik revolution -- and the Cold War.

It further details how the U.S. supplied nuclear technology and missile technology to the USSR during the Cold War.

NOT covered in said post, are the facts that the U.S. also supplied nuclear technology to Iran & Iraq in the early '50s.

Why?

According to Sutton in the videos, Skull & Bones finances both sides of every conflict, in order to create war and revolution, in order to profit from it.


[edit on 25-7-2008 by counterterrorist]

(neo-Nazi NWO-holocaust denial, TODAY!)

Police State planning
from: www.policestateplanning.com...
to wit www.policestateplanning.com...
excerpt from the conclusion of the book (table of contents listed below)

...global technocratic feudalism
Most human beings are targeted for extermination and the remainder will be indentured on the global plantation. The 'sort of character' that the authorities consider desirable is the diseased, impoverished, infertile, sexless, dumbed down automaton, whose function in life is merely to enact the Masters' business plan. Some of the character-altering weaponry already at their disposal includes: Media brainwashing; water fluoridation; vaccination; gender altering foods and chemicals; neurotoxic food additives; and psychotropic drugs. Life expectancy is being gradually reduced by the modern day concentration camp which masquerades as the public healthcare system. On the horizon are: Implantable microchips; vaccines to alter brain chemistry; genetically modified pharmacological food; human cloning; and nanotechnology.

Under pending U.K. legislation, the process of generational transformation will be monitored on a special children's database. Family life will be replaced by a gigantic welfare apparatus and state controlled childcare.

Privacy will become an alien concept. Citizens will be permanently logged on to the Big Brother surveillance grid, through their implanted microchip, the face scanning CCTV in the street, the RFID tracking chips in every supermarket product, and the biometric identification that accompanies every transaction. Government will have instant access to all public and private sector databases.

Don't think of getting in your car and heading for hills. Under current proposals, Big Brother will be able to track cars by satellite and disable them by remote control. Think you can escape to another country? Sorry, under world government, there is no 'other country'. The Tripods series ended with the heroes fleeing across the Alps with their giant three-legged oppressors in hot pursuit. If you want to escape, think about becoming an astronaut.

How about joining the rebel forces? Well, this may land you in some serious hot water. Literally in hot water, because already, the U.S. Government is shipping out 'terrorists' to foreign countries to be tortured. With distinction between ordinary crime and terrorism swept aside, rebels can expect the harshest treatment. Orwell observed that,' reprisals against prisoners which extend even to boiling and burying alive, are looked upon as normal, and, when they are committed by one's own side and not by the enemy, meritorious.'

What about voting the regime out? Votes cast on electronic voting machines will disappear straight down the memory hole.

A Different Course
How did we get into this mess? Observing that the gap between rich and poor was getting wider, the BBC's Jeremy Paxman wondered whether someone could become too rich. The capitalist system is destined to create a financial elite as the big fish get bigger and bigger. The financial barons provide the money and organization for all the utopian dreamers who believe in a command and control society. But the Devil's greatest trick is to persuade man that he does not exist. The ablility of the hidden hand to manipulate policy depends upon concealment. It has been assisted by the widespread apathy towards public affairs, generated largely by the relative tranquillity of life in the West over the last sixty years.

However, through the internet, it is becoming much easier to demonstrate and communicate both the existence of the cartel and the cumulative toxicity of its various activities. Support for the party line will dwindle as soon as its real purpose and its beneficiaries are exposed.

www.policestateplanning.com...
Part 1
Three Hundred Trillion Dollars and Counting

Chapter 1 MONEY
1.1 The Money Magicians
1.2 The Banking Cartel

Chapter 2 THE GREAT TRUST
2.1 The Military-Industrial Complex
2.2 Five Monopolies
2.3 Who Owns the Stock?
2.4 Who Owns the Media?

Chapter 3 THE GREAT TRUST AND WESTERN FOREIGN POLICY
3.1 International Relations Policy Groups
3.2 Tax Exempt Foundations and Charity Funding
3.3 The IMF and World Bank
3.4 Control over Western Governments

Chapter 4 COMMUNISM AND FASCISM
4.1 The Heart of the Issue: Power and Property Rights
4.2 Lessons From History

Chapter 5 LESSER DEVELOPED COUNTRIES

5.1 Empowering Third World Governments
5.2 The Sell Off

Chapter 6 PRIVATISATION IN THE WEST
6.1 Public Private Partnership
6.2 The Policy Comes from the Top

Part 2
The Art of Killing Quietly

Chapter 7 THE ECONOMY
7.1 The Function of Poverty
7.2 Monetary and Fiscal Policy
7.3 Free Trade Agreements
7.4 Open Borders
7.5 The Environmental Movement
7.6 War as a Means of Planned Waste
7.7 Criminalizing Society
7.8 Disease

Chapter 8 THE NEW POLITICAL SYSTEM
8.1 The Future of Democracy
8.2 Banning Opposition to World Government
8.3 Creating Regional Governments
8.4 World Government or World War Three

Chapter 9 THE WAR ON TERROR
9.1 CIA/MI6/Mossad/ISI: The Global Terrorist Network
9.2 Proliferating Weapons of Mass Destruction

Chapter 10 MARTIAL LAW
10.1 Martial Law Legislation
10.2 Foreign Troops
10.3 Gun Confiscation

Chapter 11 THE LEGAL APPARATUS OF TOTALITARIANISM
11.1 Integration
11.2 UK Mental Health Laws
11.3 Abolition of Juries and Arbitrary Detention
11.4 Expanding the Definition of 'Terrorism'
11.5 Surveillance Legislation
11.6 The Ruling Class Above the Law

Chapter 12 THE TECHNOLOGICAL APPARATUS OF TOTALITARIANISM
12.1 ID Cards and Biometric Identification
12.2 Computer Databases
12.3 DNA Databases
12.4 Implantable Microchips
12.5 Radio Frequency Identification
12.6 Car and Mobile Phone Tracking
12.7 Surveillance Cameras
12.8 Black Budget Funding

Chapter 13 THE FAMILY AND RELIGION
13.1 Elitism and the New Age Religion
13.2 Caught in the Act at Bohemian Grove
13.3 Targeting the Young
13.4 Banning Monotheism
13.5 Enforcing Love of Big Brother
13.6 Sexual Abuse

Chapter 14 POPULATION CONTROL
14.1 Funding Population Control
14.2 Aims and Methods
14.3 Environmentalism
14.4 Public Health Policy and Western Medicine
14.5 Cancer
14.6 Vaccination
14.7 Mind Control Technology
14.8 Junk Food
14.9 Fluoride
14.10 Germ Warfare
14.11 Depleted Uranium
14.12 Forced Abortion and Sterilization
14.13 GM Food
14.14 Weather Modification
14.15 Nanotechnology
14.16 Eugenics

Conclusion

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I intuit the Nazi/neo-Nazi/Fascist NWO organizations mentioned below in this post play prominently in WTC/911, some, I know did.

(Also see, 'coincidence or conspiracy? …reign of Hitler & Roosevelt the same …March 1933 to April 1945', at www.abovetopsecret.com... )

Hitler's New Order and Roosevelt's New Deal were backed by the same industrialists and were both plans for a corporate state.

(scroll down 32 paragraphs, at www.reformation.org...)

The New Deal or the "new economic order" was not a creature of classical liberalism. It was a creature of corporate socialism. Big business as reflected in Wall Street strived for a state order in which they could control industry and eliminate competition, and this was the heart of FDR's New Deal.

These corporations were deeply involved in both the promotion of Roosevelt's New Deal and the construction of the military power of Nazi Germany.

GENERAL ELECTRIC

General Electric, for example, is prominent in both Nazi Germany and the New Deal.

German General Electric was a prominent financier of Hitler and the Nazi Party, and A.E.G. also financed Hitler both directly and indirectly through Osram.

International General Electric in New York was a major participant in the ownership and direction of both A.E.G. and Osram. Gerard Swope, Owen Young, and A. Baldwin of General Electric in the United States were directors of A.E.G. However, the story does not stop at General Electric and financing of Hitler in 1933.

In a previous book, Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, the author [Antony Sutton] identified the role of General Electric in the Bolshevik Revolution...

...and the geographic location of American participants as at 120 Broadway, New York City; the executive offices of General Electric were also at 120 Broadway. When Franklin Delano Roosevelt was working in Wall Street, his address was also 120 Broadway.

In fact, Georgia Warm Springs Foundation, the FDR Foundation, was located at 120 Broadway. The prominent financial backer of an early Roosevelt Wall Street venture from 120 Broadway was Gerard Swope of General Electric.

And it was "Swope's Plan" that became Roosevelt's New Deal — the fascist plan that Herbert Hoover was unwilling to foist on the United States.

There were then both corporate and individual bridges between FDR's America and Hitler's Germany.

AMERICAN I.G. FARBEN

The first bridge was the American I.G. Farben, American affiliate of I.G. Farben, the largest German corporation.

On the board of American I.G. sat Paul Warburg, of the Bank of Manhattan and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

A.E.G.
The second bridge was between International General' Electric, a wholly owned subsidiary of General Electric Company and its partly owned affiliate in Germany, A.E.G. Gerard Swope, who formulated FDR's New Deal, was chairman of I.G.E. and on the board of A.E.G.

STANDARD OIL

The third "bridge" was between Standard Oil of New Jersey and Vacuum Oil and its wholly owned German subsidiary, Deutsche-Amerikanisehe Gesellschaft. The chairman of Standard Oil of New Jersey was Walter Teagle, of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. He was a trustee of Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Georgia Warm Springs Foundation and appointed by FDR to a key administrative post in the National Recovery Administration.

ROCKEFELLER & MORGAN www.modernhistoryproject.org...

Before World War I, the financial and business structure of the United States was dominated by two conglomerates:

Standard Oil, or the Rockefeller enterprise,

and the Morgan complex of industries -- finance and transportation companies.

Rockefeller and Morgan trust alliances dominated not only Wall Street but, through interlocking directorships, almost the entire economic fabric of the United States. [1]

quote]Rockefeller interests monopolized the petroleum and allied industries, and controlled the copper trust, the smelters trust, and the gigantic tobacco trust,/quote] in addition to having influence in some Morgan properties such as the U.S. Steel Corporation as well as in hundreds of smaller industrial trusts, public service operations, railroads, and banking institutions.

National City Bank was the largest of the banks influenced by Standard Oil-Rockefeller, but financial control extended to the United States Trust Company and Hanover National Bank as well as to major life insurance companies -- Equitable Life and Mutual of New York.

quote]The great Morgan enterprises were in steel, shipping, and the electrical industry; they included General Electric, the rubber trust, and railroads./quote]

Like Rockefeller, Morgan controlled financial corporations: the National Bank of Commerce and the Chase National Bank, New York Life Insurance, and the Guaranty Trust Company. The names J.P. Morgan and Guaranty Trust Company occur repeatedly throughout [Sutton's book].

In the early part of the twentieth century the Guaranty Trust Company was dominated by the Harriman interests. When the elder Harriman (Edward Henry) died in 1909, Morgan and associates bought into Guaranty Trust as well as into Mutual Life and New York Life. In 1919 Morgan also bought control of Equitable Life, and the Guaranty Trust Company absorbed an additional six lesser trust companies.

Therefore, at the end of World War I the Guaranty Trust and Bankers Trust were, respectively, the first and second largest trust companies in the United States, both dominated by Morgan interests. [2]

As such, they bought up post-WWI industry in German for a song, since the dollar was worth several billion marks.

And, again bought up German industry for very cheap, after WWII, and Japanese industry (for example, G.M. owns half of Toyota), and Italian industry.


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the following is from: www.policestateplanning.com...


WO-to-NWO: COMMUNISM & FASCISM (Nazism) in GERMANY, RUSSIA & CHINA

The … New World Order is a global financial empire owned & controlled by Western bankers & industrialists.

It has been laid down using a two pronged strategy.

The first was to finance corrupt & socialist regimes in developing countries in order to stifle growth of domestic free enterprise causing them to become dependent on Western industry & finance.

The second was a form of international economic piracy, where World Bank & IMF fired a broadside of debt at Third World economies, knocking out their engine of growth, & allowing Western multinationals to climb aboard & plunder their national resources & natural industries.

The success of strategy can be judged on one hand by looking at progress towards free-market economies & property rights around world, & other, extent to which developing countries are beholden to Western corporations.

To reach a moral conclusion about it, one might also consider impact of strategy on human rights, because cartel has financed communist & fascist regimes alike, with absolutely no qualms about human cost.

The emblem which best represents it is skull & cross-bones motif of Yales' famous secret society, Order of Skull & Bones.

[also see www.abovetopsecret.com...]

Many members of cartel have belonged to it including generations of Bush family. This emblem is universal symbol of both & piracy & lethality, thereby representing economic poison swallowed by most Third World nations. Order was founded in 1832 by William Russell whose family fortune was built upon global trade in opium, a substance almost as addictive & destructive as drip-feed of Western currency.

NAZI GERMANY

Nazis were financed by German industries such as Krupp & I.G. Farben & their owners & directors held key positions in Hitler's government. However, German industry was itself partly financed by British & American bankers.

Much of capital for expansion of I.G. Farben came from Wall Street, primarily Rockefeller's National City Bank; Dillon Read & Company, also a Rockefeller firm; Morgan's Equitable Trust Company; Harris Forbes & Company; & even predominantly Jewish firm of Kuhn Loeb & Company. In 1928, Henry Ford merged his German assets with those of I.G. Farben.(4) 40% of Ford Motor A.G. of Germany was transferred to I.G. Farben & Edsel Ford joined board of American I.G.. A decade later, in August 1938, Henry Ford received Grand Cross of German Eagle, a Nazi decoration for distinguished foreigners.(5) During Allied bombing raids over Germany, factories & offices of I.G. Farben were spared on instructions from U.S. War Department.

RUSSIA

Without intervention of German government, Round Table leaders & associated Wall Street financiers, Bolshevik revolution would never have succeeded.

The popular Kerensky revolution which over-threw Tsar occurred in February 1917. It was relatively moderate in its policies & attempted to accommodate all revolutionary factions including Bolsheviks who were smallest minority.

The second revolution in October 1917 was a coup d'etat by Bolsheviks who had succeeded in recruiting sufficient military support with financial backing of Round Table & Co.(6)

Prominent American financiers included J.P. Morgan controlled Guaranty Trust Company & William Boyce Thompson, a director of Federal Reserve Bank of New York & leader of Red Cross mission to Russia during revolution.(7) British funding came from banker & founding member of Round Table, Lord Milner.(8)

When private property was outlawed after revolution, foreign money & corporations were needed to prevent economy & communist regime from collapsing. It has remained that way ever since: A symbiosis of two powers whereby Western financial support for Russia's ailing economy has been channeled into pockets of international bankers via companies they control. With domestic capitalism outlawed, revolutionary Russia was right from start a 'captured market' for Western bankers. This model has been used in country after country throughout world.

All banks in Russia were nationalized after revolution except Petrograd branch of Rockefeller's National City Bank.

In 1922 first Soviet international bank, Ruskombank, was created by a cartel of Tsarist, German, Swedish, American & British bankers.

In exchange for Russian gold, a steady stream of large & lucrative (i.e. non-competitive) contracts were awarded to British & American businesses connected to Round Table.(9)

Russia's gold reserves were soon depleted therefore game could only continue with support of Western taxpayer. With end of U.S. Government's Lend-Lease programme after WWII, which transfused $11 billion in military aid to Soviets, bankers reverted to core mechanism it has used to build foreign dictatorships: Bank loans. Western (mostly American) taxpayers have bailed out Soviets with hundreds of billions of dollars.

Before Revolution, Ukraine was bread basket of Europe. Afterwards Russia could not produce enough food to feed itself & has relied on millions of tons of subsidized food imports from West.

Western military-industrial complex helped to build Eastern-Bloc heavy industry, from oil-drilling equipment to chemical processing plants, air-traffic radar systems, equipment to produce precision bearings, helicopter engines, laser technology, truck plants & nuclear power plants. German company, Junkers Aircraft , literally created Soviet air power.

Acknowledging this apparent contradiction between geo-politics & international business, Secretary of Navy, John Lehman, addressed graduating class at Annapolis in 1983: Within weeks, many of you will be looking across just hundreds of feet of water at some of most modern technology ever invented in America. Unfortunately, it is on Soviet ships.(11)

These facts demonstrate that Cold War & post-Cold War era concepts are invalid in terms of economics. same financial system has always operated. change of communists to 'social democrats' after fall of Berlin Wall was simply a name change aimed at persuading Western public to believe that world is becoming more liberal & democratic.

In fact, bankers now own everything of significance in communist & capitalist countries alike. It is no coincidence that purported demise of Soviet Union began at end of 1980s to coincide with admission of Soviet Union into World Bank/IMF club. According to World Bank's website:

It was only after radical changes had been made in country's policy in late 1980s that Soviet leadership began to show interest in establishing ties with World Bank & IMF. meeting of Group of Seven in London in 1991 resulted in admission of Soviet Union to these international organizations as an associate member.(12)

Rather than a change of policy, this was actually putting same old policy into high gear. Senior oligarchs in communist party & KGB simply stole country's oil & gas industries during economic chaos of 1990s.

More of Russia's assets are now open to foreign buyers. Witness BP's recent deal to merge its Russian oil assets with TNK, a big private oil company jointly owned by billionaires Mikhail Fridman & Viktor Vekselberg.

The BP deal gives combined company an enterprise value of around $18 billion.

Russia now has one of largest number of billionaires in world & possibly highest billionaire-to-GDP ratio in world according to Forbes Magazine.(13)

At same time Royal Dutch / Shell announced a $15 billion investment in Russian gas production & a gas pipeline to northern Europe.(14)

In his book Globalization & its Discontents former World Bank chief economist, Joseph Stiglitz, describes how privatization programme in Russia led to a robber baron economy & a catastrophic decline in GDP. Surprisingly, Stiglitz views this as yet another sorry mistake by an ideologically motivated World Bank/IMF.

By 1992 $50 billion in loans & aid from various western sources rained down on former Soviet states only to disappear without trace.

In 1998 a Group -of -Seven/ IMF meeting authorized a $22 billion bailout. In 1999 it was discovered $20 billion had been stolen by Russian officials.(15)

Amnesty International currently has a major campaign for basic human rights in Russia. Torture is still institutionalized, anyone, even a child, who is taken into police custody for questioning is at risk of torture & ill-treatment. Methods of police torture commonly reported include beatings, electric shocks, rape, use of gas masks to induce near-suffocation, & tying detainees in painful positions. Up to a million men, women & children are in prisons & pre-trial detention centers in Russian Federation, many are held in conditions that amount to cruel, inhuman & degrading treatment.

Conditions are particularly harsh in pre-trial detention centers owing to chronic overcrowding. Cells are filthy & pest-ridden, with poor lighting & ventilation, & contagious diseases are rife (over 100,000 inmates have tuberculosis). Tens of thousands of children in Russia are languishing behind bars. Children also suffer torture & ill treatment in pre-trial detention centers & prisons.

Since coming to power, Vladamir Putin strengthened FSB, old internal security arm of KGB, inhibited free speech, pursued politically motivated persecution of businessmen & pursued a four year war of aggression in Chechnya involving substantial atrocities against civilians.(16)

(for China segment, see (will post in a couple hours). NOTE: it's now 8 hours later, and 'the China segment' research is mushrooming. So, I'll post it as soon as I can, which is either today, or in about 10 days.


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From the moment the Rockefeller-Morgan fraction and the Rothschild-Warburg fraction joined forces following the failure of the New Deal, national-socialism and fascism stood in clear oposition to the NWO agenda which was anti-traditional, anti-racist and anti-nationalist. Any references to pro-fascist sympathies from prior to this time are pointless and deceptive unless viewed in the proper context. There was no greater enemy of the NWO than Hitler.

[edit on 31-7-2008 by OutoftheBoxthinker]

Originally posted by OutoftheBoxthinker
From the moment the Rockefeller-Morgan fraction and the Rothschild-Warburg fraction joined forces following the failure of the New Deal, national-socialism and fascism stood in clear oposition to the NWO agenda which was anti-traditional, anti-racist and anti-nationalist. Any references to pro-fascist sympathies from prior to this time are pointless and deceptive unless viewed in the proper context. There was no greater enemy of the NWO than Hitler.

I am finding your posts most fascinating and pointed, and I agree most heartily that, like Lenin, Hitler outstayed his usefulness to become the enemy of those who aided him to power. What I would be most interested in knowing is at what point and on what grounds, you feel that Rockefeller and the Rothschilds merged, beyond those affiliations associated with the Seven Sisters?

What I would be most interested in knowing is at what point and on what grounds, you feel that Rockefeller and the Rothschilds merged, beyond those affiliations associated with the Seven Sisters?

Previously, one fraction (Rockefeller/Morgan) controlled the republicans/conservatives and one fraction (Rothschild/Warburg) controlled the liberals/socialists. Both fractions were hostile towards one another and wanted to gain dominance over European and North-American society. During the Roosevelt administration, they somehow managed to converge their agendas in a peculiar way and from that time onwards both fractions would opose one another only in appearance.

Although with subtle differences, both support free immigration, a free market and the abolition of traditional morallity in spite of a lack of support among the masses. When an agenda-point is to be followed that fits republican/conservative ideology best, the establishment media manipulates the public to gain support for the republican/conservative candidate. When an agenda-point is to be followed that fits liberal/socialist ideology best, the establishment media manipulates the public to gain support for the liberal/socialist candidate. In both cases, the candidates are mere puppets of the same industrialists and bankers pulling the strings from behind the scenes. Nevertheless, because of this charade the public has an impression of free press and free elections, even though everything is largely rigged. This is especially the case in nations like the US and UK, where there are only two establishment parties. How socialist are socialists/liberals like Blair or Clinton really in comparison with neo-conservatives like Bush or Sarkozy?

Cooperation of both sides is mostly done through think tanks and meetings at supra-national levels. Think of the CFR, the Trilateral Comission or the Bilderberger group. Such organisations determine the policies of mainstream political parties and their elected officials. The will of the people is entirely irrelevant.

[edit on 31-7-2008 by OutoftheBoxthinker]

Originally posted by OutoftheBoxthinker
Previously, one fraction (Rockefeller/Morgan) controlled the republicans/conservatives and one fraction (Rothschild/Warburg) controlled the liberals/socialists. Both fractions were hostile towards one another and wanted to gain dominance over European and North-American society.

I am confused as to your reasoning here, could you explain how you connect the Rothschild's with the Warburg's? The Rothschild's it should also be noted are monarchists, at least the remaining ones are, as well as British Nationalists. There may have been elements of socialism, and their support of Kerensky is indicative of such, but that is only within the framework of British independence.

During the Roosevelt administration, they somehow managed to converge their agendas in a peculiar way and from that time onwards both fractions would opose one another only in appearance.

Though I agree with you that there is no open conflict, it is not through general agreement, more a division of booty, plus and over-riding dimishment of the power of the Rothschilds during the two war period. This is certainly on the change, with the Rothschild's regaining their foothold fast. The reasons for the polarization of intention during the Roosevelt administration was the brilliant manipulation exacted by Churchill. It was short lived when it was realised that they had been paled off with a dud 'un in the shape and form of the Gehlen Organisation.

Although with subtle differences, both support free immigration, a free market and the abolition of traditional morallity in spite of a lack of support among the masses.

I agree to some extent, with the qualifier that they both support economic immigration rather than free immigration.

When an agenda-point is to be followed that fits republican/conservative ideology best, the establishment media manipulates the public to gain support for the republican/conservative candidate. When an agenda-point is to be followed that fits liberal/socialist ideology best, the establishment media manipulates the public to gain support for the liberal/socialist candidate. In both cases, the candidates are mere puppets of the same industrialists and bankers pulling the strings from behind the scenes. Nevertheless, because of this charade the public has an impression of free press and free elections, even though everything is largely rigged. This is especially the case in nations like the US and UK, where there are only two establishment parties. How socialist are socialists/liberals like Blair or Clinton really in comparison with neo-conservatives like Bush or Sarkozy?

Agree again to an extent...though Blair ain't no socialist.

Cooperation of both sides is mostly done through think tanks and meetings at supra-national levels. Think of the CFR, the Trilateral Comission or the Bilderberger group. Such organisations determine the policies of mainstream political parties and their elected officials. The will of the people is entirely irrelevant.

If only more peopleeven knew they had a will!!! I think that the role of Bilderberg (and the such like) is often misinterpreted as a group of individuals that agree with each other, I don't necessarily think that they do...there would be far less machinations in the wider world if they did, but i do think that whereever possible they get together to divide responsibilities, but I also think that they will shaft each other royally given the right incentive.

Good post, very thoughtful and provoking.