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* Man is inherently sinful:
* Sins can somehow be transferred:
* Blood is required in exchange for wiping away sins:
* We must believe Jesus died for our sins:
But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does.
The Bible says that the penalty for sin is death, but after Jesus paid that penalty He rose from the dead on the third day, so something was different. He conquered sin, so He was able to conquer sin's penalty. Sure, it worked. It always works. Jesus satisfied divine justice on that Cross. He bore the punishment in full, and God never had to bend the rules. That's why we call Jesus our Savior. He shed His own blood in our place, and died, and then rose from the grave to prove He'd won over sin and could set us free.
Originally posted by junglejake
The contention of scripture isn't necessarily that we're all born psychotic, but rather that we're born rebellious. That we turn from God when He stated that the most important command He'd given was to love the Lord with all of your heart, soul and strength. Christ came to redeem us of this rebellion, that when we accept Him, He comes into our lives and enables us to live completely for God. He builds a bridge in our lives over that rebellious nature, thereby reconciling us to God.
Originally posted by JesusisTruth
and that goes back to the point that like you said, if someone dies at 12, then how do you know God doesnt see that person growing up being a serial killer?
Originally posted by JesusisTruth
our natures are naturall, because we are born without grace, evil....
Originally posted by JesusisTruth
Im saying that the baby is in original sin, and that it needs batpism to wash that away....
Originally posted by JesusisTruth
I mean I had few graces growing up, yea I was nice around strangers, but when I got behind the scenes the true me came out..
Originally posted by JesusisTruth
like I said I was polite around strangers, but I would fight with brother, yell, curse, throw things at mother, hit animals, step on bugs...
Yet I wasnt completely evil.. I never had sex unmarried, I never talked about women filthy, I dont smoke drink, I never would hurt anybody...
* Man is inherently sinful:
This concept doesn't leave the slightest bit of leeway, thus trapping all of humanity with the need for salvation.
Originally posted by TheHypnoToad
Originally posted by JesusisTruth
I am guessing that what you are trying to say is that original sin is the reason why people who have not been baptized commit bad deeds. You talk about how bad your neices (or whoever it was) were before they were baptized... So I am thinking that you are crediting their baptism with the change in their behavior.
That's not original sin that's causing those types of behavior. That's a lack of discipline.
No, they were disiplined but it had no effect.... But I literally see a difference in their souls...
So being nice around strangers means that you have graces? To me, being nice around strangers but then having the "true" you come out does not mean that you have graces. It means that you are a hypocrite, and dishonest.
No. I didnt say that... and you cant be a hypocrite at a young age, the mind hasnt developed yet.. What im saying is that I would act properly in front of strangers to the point that (they were starngers) so I didnt really act up around them.... Not saintly, just behaving better....
You would never hurt anybody, but you fought with your brother, threw things at your mother and hit animals? Sounds to me like there was some hurting going on.
I didnt intentially hurt them, me and my brother fought because we were knuckle heads, and I through things at my mother out of anger... Ive seen some people (and this is what I mean by not hurting other) beat people up 7 on 1 for fun and literally get a kick out of it...
thats what I mean.. tryingt to intentially hurt badly something, the stuff I threw at mother were like pieces of paper, I didnt want to hurt her though...
And as far as not being "completely evil," how does smoking make you more evil than disrespecting your mother and hurting animals? So putting up a false front and making strangers think you are nice and polite isn't bad, but "talking about women filthy" is "completely evil"?
I didnt say that did I. filthy women and completely evil were seperate phrases.... in my faith talking about women with filth is wrong thats what I mean. when I say completely evil I mean I grew up with freinds who would gang up on people 7 on 1 (for fun) and get a kick out of hurting people..
I would never go that far...
as for smoking, I used this to give an example that I didnt want to try and fit in and be bad and have a bad image, doesnt mean that smoking is evil, its just against perserving the body..
Just trying to understand.
it seems like your trying to be a smart*** but I forgive you if you were.
anyways, I tried to explain the best way I could, sorry for my langauge.
peace.