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Originally posted by Incarnated
Is this too deep or something???
Can anyone that reads this understand it?
Originally posted by AshleyD
Question: You've stated repeatedly something is going to happen in 2012 and that the date is highly significant. What do you believe will happen and why do you think the date is important? Thanks.
Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) imperial rule is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. 2If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. 3Rather, the (Father's) imperial rule is inside you and outside you. 4When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. 5But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."
4 Jesus said, "The person old in days won't hesitate to ask a little child seven days old about the place of life, and that person will live. 2For many of the first will be last, 3and will become a single one."
5 Jesus said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you. 2 For there is nothing hidden that won't be revealed."
18 The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?"
2Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. 3Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."
51 His disciples said to him, "When will the rest for the dead take place, and when will the new world come?"
2He said to them, "What you are looking forward to has come, but you don't know it."
Originally posted by Incarnated
Originally posted by AshleyD
Question: You've stated repeatedly something is going to happen in 2012 and that the date is highly significant. What do you believe will happen and why do you think the date is important? Thanks.
Taken from the teachings of Christ in the "Parable of the Fig Tree" we know that the "last generation" began in 1948....when Israel became a nation. Biblically, generations are 40, 70 and 120 years. We passed the first marker and the next is 2018 but it can happen anytime within that span. Signs, to me, lead me to believe it is very, very close.
Well, I don't believe the "day" is significant. I do believe the basic time is the pinical between the antichrist's rise and fall. There's alot of stuff based around that date, so to try to convey what it is that will happen is next to imposable.
What is more significant than the day is to first be ready for that day....to believe in Christ. However, another extremely important fact is to know that the time of the anti-christ (Satan) will be one of deception.....not mass murder and mayhem. He is coming in the guise of Christ, pretending to be Christ and he will deceive many. So....one of the most important things to know is you must not follow him because in doing so you "take the mark of the beast." Realize he is the fake and wait for the true Christ.
........Whirlwind
Originally posted by whirlwind
Taken from the teachings of Christ in the "Parable of the Fig Tree" we know that the "last generation" began in 1948....when Israel became a nation. Biblically, generations are 40, 70 and 120 years. We passed the first marker and the next is 2018 but it can happen anytime within that span. Signs, to me, lead me to believe it is very, very close.
Originally posted by Incarnated
The events associate within religion hold many pearls of truth. Though these pearls should not be cast before swine.
Originally posted by whirlwind
Could the past seven years, from the towers falling to this coming September, be the seven year tribulation period? If it is then the next few months have a lot in store for us. If this is the year Satan is kicked to earth to deceive the world then it will be within the next few months....He has a five month period of deception before the true Christ comes at His 2nd Advent.....will that be in September 2008?
We'll see. Even if not, we should be ready in any case. By the way....please don't count on a rapture. If you do please know that is a false doctrine.
Originally posted by AshleyD
I do not believe we are in the tribulation period. We are specifically told a seven year covenant would start this off. An unmistakable covenant. Not a terrorist attack on America.
There has been no Antichrist, false prophet, one world government, the mark, one world religion, world wide persecution of Christians and Jews, the breaking of the treaty that doesn't even exist yet, nor has the Jewish temple been rebuilt. All requirements for the tribulation. We are also told this period would be the worst the world has ever seen. As bad as it was for some, there are other times in history that was a lot worse.
I'm not sure about this. I do happen to believe in a rapture but do not teach it dogmatically.
[edit on 1/26/2008 by AshleyD]
Originally posted by whirlwind
I'm not familiar with a "covenant" about the beginning of the period.
Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains:
Another temple will not be rebuilt until the millennium. When Christ rose...he became the Temple and those that believe in Him are part of that Temple: 1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the Temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
The "anti-christ" was mistranslated and in Greek means "instead"....
Where it is written "no flesh be saved" it means spiritually. Satan isn't coming to take lives as he will be pretending to be Christ....but he wants your soul.
the "mark" is in your forehead meaning in your mind...to believe him.
TThat will be the time of persecution of Christians and Jews but it isn't as we think of being persecuted. It is done with love and peace and most won't know they are being persecuted.
Originally posted by AshleyD
The seven year peace treaty that kicks off the tribulation is mentioned in Daniel and II Thessalonians. It's a pretty famous warning. When a covenant is confirmed between Israel and other countries headed by one man, you will know the seven years has begun.
Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains:
Check out the other warnings in Matthew, Daniel, and Revelation. "Where it ought not be" is inside the third Jewish temple.
WW - Another temple will not be rebuilt until the millennium. When Christ rose...he became the Temple and those that believe in Him are part of that Temple: 1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the Temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?uote]
Ashley - Don't forget one extremely important detail: The Jews are not Christians and do not believe they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit like we do. They still believe their only link to an open relationship with God is a temple. They will want to build this temple. They have already created the utensils required for temple rituals and the priests have been trained. Christians do not believe we need a temple but the Jews do. Just watch. Look at the prophecies again referring to the tribulation. You will clearly see the temple has been rebuilt.
WW - The "anti-christ" was mistranslated and in Greek means "instead"....
Ashley - See: Antichristos. It means exactly what it says. One who is against the Christ.
WW - Where it is written "no flesh be saved" it means spiritually. Satan isn't coming to take lives as he will be pretending to be Christ....but he wants your soul.
Ashley - Although this is true, read through Revelations. It constantly talks about massive fractions of the earth's population that will be killed during this time through wars, plagues, persecution, and "natural" disasters. It is talking about human life. If this period lasted any longer than seven years and if Jesus did not arrive at Armageddon to put an end to the people destroying each other, there would be no human life left on earth.
WW -the "mark" is in your forehead meaning in your mind...to believe him.
Ashley - "Beliefs" aren't going to stop people from buying food or engaging in commerce. To imply this is anything else but a literal mark or chip is not sound. The Bible makes it clear the mark and the belief in the Antichrist are two separate yet equally damnable offenses.
WW - That will be the time of persecution of Christians and Jews but it isn't as we think of being persecuted. It is done with love and peace and most won't know they are being persecuted.
Ashley - What are your sources? My source is the Bible and it indeed says we will be put to death. This is unmistakable and explained explicitly throughout the New Testament in almost every single book.