Did the Space Shuttle Atlantis Cancel Because of the Scrutiny Generated on ATS?

Buddha- I think you might be making a mountain out of a molehill, regarding use of the word NAZA, referring to NASA.

I know a guy who works for NASA that has a personnalized license plate, with NAZA as part of it, because NASA was already taken! It has nothing to do with the holocaust, or Germans, or anything of the sort. It just uses a "Z" instead of an "S", because they sound almost the same when spoken.

I do agree with you that NAZI, however, shouldn't necessarily be used with reckless abandon, because of the history there. We don't necessarily need to be reminded of a dark time in history.

And I don't think John Lear was "bullying" you, as you stated in a recent post. Matter of fact, I think John goes out of his way to be civil, and often respectful when he gets attacked in some of these threads.

Just my two cents worth.

O M G!!!

Is this still going on? What grade is this? . . . Mods?? . .somebody . . ? ...

I had to click back to page one to remember what the actual topic was about.

Guys (gals?)...there is a U2U option which would be way more appropriate for the mudslinging than out here in the open, but recess has got to end soon. Some of us would like to get back to the thread.

As for NASA, yes, there are many respectable and fine people gainfully employed there (a family member of mine worked there for years with the Shuttle program), and likely they are not the ones doing all of the cover-up work, except behind-the-scenes if commanded to by a superior. Can I hate Hitler but love the German people over whom he had authority? The people weren't evil, the boss was. That "he called my friends NAZI's" scenario didn't gel for me, because JL did not call your friends out to any degree of specificity. But, really, if that's all you have to argue about in a public conspiracy forum, it's weak, and the novelty has long since worn off.

In fact, forget it, I'll leave. There are a million other threads (and no, I did not take the time to count each one for certain) that have not yet had the hell derailed out of 'em, where some healthy discussion should still be going on.

Originally posted by antar
I am so discouraged with the cover ups and the disinformation and the outright withholding of information on the part of nasa. It is criminal.

This is related to the topic of the thread, as we are discussing NASA demeanor -- would you care to document sources based on which you arrived to this conclusion?

You need not take anything said personal like people are calling your friends nazis.

The onus is on the person who is saying things about a bunch of people being like Nazis, to think ahead and maybe reconsider.

Further, and quite on the topic of this NASA thread:
It's in the best interest of John's to portray NASA as an evil and untrustworthy organization because this is central to his claim to fame. If you take that out of the equation, what is left then... To his credit, his tactics worked fine on this forum... If you repeat something bazillion times (to quote John, NAZI NAZA NATZY NASA, like a mantra) it percolates people's perception of things. This repetition technique was previously used by the propaganda machine of the... you guessed it, the Nazis.

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hhhhhhmmmmmm, drunk post. But I fear I just drank myself sober so back to the conspiracy at hand.

Nasa has no need to delay the shuttle because of too much attention from ATS (its laughable to even consider it) because, as it has been alleged before, they have myrid secret craft to hanlde the size and scope of their secret space program, right?

John, your conspiracies are starting to contradict each other, pick one and stick with it. Or at least try to remember what you rambled about in other threads so you don't say something that proves yourself wrong in another post.

Originally posted by OptionToChoose
O M G!!!
Is this still going on? What grade is this? . . . Mods?? . .somebody . . ? ...

I had to click back to page one to remember what the actual topic was about.

Ditto! Just came back from a wild boar hunt, and what do I see? The continuing, boring, tiresome, tedious, childish slanging match that's leading nowhere!

And hey! What was the topic we're supposed to be discussing? Oh yeah! The NAZIS! Errr... No. I think it was something about scrubbing the STS etc, etc.

Darn! What a waste of time. Heading for the bar for some chilled beer instead. Better than watching this pointless war of words.

OTC, wanna join me?

Cheers!

[edit on 8-1-2008 by mikesingh]

Originally posted by mikesingh
OTC, wanna join me?

I'll pick up the tab!

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I'll join you Mike!!!

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
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hhhhhhmmmmmm, drunk post. But I fear I just drank myself sober so back to the conspiracy at hand.

Nasa has no need to delay the shuttle because of too much attention from ATS (its laughable to even consider it) because, as it has been alleged before, they have myrid secret craft to hanlde the size and scope of their secret space program, right?

John, your conspiracies are starting to contradict each other, pick one and stick with it. Or at least try to remember what you rambled about in other threads so you don't say something that proves yourself wrong in another post.

the conclusion that comes to my mind is this: (in theory) they would need the accepted mode of transportation (ie space shuttle) to explain why so much of their stuff is up there. especially if and or when every day people can afford to ride into space on a regular basis for vacations and the like.


also in regards to another post made by a seperate member about lockheed skunkworks and the like, good point...what exactly are they spending all that money on while we're supposedly still going into space in that bucket they call a shuttle?

Originally posted by DrTellerwuzright
I do agree with you that NAZI, however, shouldn't necessarily be used with reckless abandon, because of the history there. We don't necessarily need to be reminded of a dark time in history.

You know... its a funny thing about History... how easily we FORGET... Yes they were evil but we must NEVER forget the origins of NASA


Here is a Czechoslovakian page that shows the background of NASA's foremost scientist...



waffen.mysteria.cz...

Where would NASA be today with out the Nazi scientists? Never forget that Wernher von Braun was an active NAZI with intent to wipe YOU out with missiles and other weapons...



Caption: After the war, 118 German rocket scientists worked together at Fort Bliss, Texas.
(U.S. ARMY AVIATION AND MISSILE COMMAND)

He surrendered when he got word that the NAZI's were about to 'clean house' and kill all the scientists so they would not fall into enemy hands...

If you want to get mad at someone for dragging up the NAZI's, blame the US government....

Here is a little quote from American Heritage magazine....

The Nazi Scientists of America

"Intelligence and government officials faced a delicate moral quandary in 1945—whether it was worth it to give American homes to men who had invented weapons to kill American soldiers, men who in some cases subscribed to beliefs that hundreds of thousands Americans had died to eradicate. In the end they decided it was, if these men could help the United States defeat the Soviets."

—Christine Gibson is a former editor at American Heritage magazine.

Source

Seems they solved their 'moral quandary' This was the day your government decided it was okay to lie to you. If this thought alone does not make you angry... then nothing will



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Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts

Nasa has no need to delay the shuttle because of too much attention from ATS (its laughable to even consider it) because, as it has been alleged before, they have myrid secret craft to hanlde the size and scope of their secret space program, right?

Psssttttt Told ya before.... NASA doesn't own the secret craft... and you I am quite sure you know this.... That 3.5 TRILLION did not go to NASA... Though now that NASA is officially under the DoD they might have more access to them, but I doubt it.

The scariest thing about all this is that a lot of this 'secret' stuff is fully automated... anyone ever watched the Cylons attack?



And no this is not a picture of the one that goes into space and back... I don't have a photo of that one...

YET

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Originally posted by zorgon
Caption: After the war, 118 German rocket scientists worked together at Fort Bliss, Texas.

There is a very significant number of people of Jewish heritage who made important contributions to the field of nuclear science, among others. However, it would be utterly ridiculous and offensive to many to refer to nuclear science as "Jewish science" or "Nuclear Kabbala". And it's equally ridiculous and offensive to portray NASA as some kind of Nazi division.

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You didn't mention in your post, perhaps it was in one of the cited outside sources...'Operation Paperclip'?

I could be confusing two (or more) covert post WWII Ops...

"Paperclip" has been cited as related to A-Bomb development, the Manhattan Project...but would or would not there have been some cross-over? Heck, might be a new book in this idea somewhere...just need to connect the dots...ever heard of 'Operation Overcast' also?

I'm a bit worried that someone may find out that 60 years ago there was a weather forecaster who killed someone, which by implication means I'm a murderer ......

I really do think this current topic of conversation is both disingenuous and unnecessary - and, indeed, potentially very offensive and insulting

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Z,

That is a pretty picture...obviously a fish-eye lens, so lots of distortion as to perspective...but, from what source? I mean, something that Black, yet here is a pic of it...I can only assume, much like the B-2 and F-119, that the existence of this will be announced soon...and, of course, it's already decades behind what we currently have?

-spelling-

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Originally posted by buddhasystem
And it's equally ridiculous and offensive to portray NASA as some kind of Nazi division.

Ah I see a new crusade of yours... well I never said NASA was a division of the Nazi's and don't get me started on Isreal's new 'connections' Thats a whole new thread... and I hate PolyTics

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BTW, that is the cleanest hangar floor I have ever seen! Recently repainted? Not even a centerline stripe...no support equip. Looks like a publicity shot, kinda how Hollywood always wet the streets in the movies...

-just adding-

Really, I like the picture. Not intending to be sarcastic (I read it and was afraid it would sound that way) just would like to know more. I know you're busy...

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Originally posted by weedwhacker
You didn't mention in your post, perhaps it was in one of the cited outside sources...'Operation Paperclip'?

Did too.. It was on the Heritage link

ever heard of 'Operation Overcast' also?

No I did not but thanks for the tip Always nice to get helping hands while digging up stuff...



Hmmm hard to find stuff about this one, and it never came up before.... got anything else on it?

We may conclude that FDR's response is the official one. Perhaps newsworthy, certainly available to posterity, possibly baldly political. Perhaps he simply changed his mind. The historical fact is, by July 1945, the Joint Chiefs of Staff had approved the entry of three hundred fifty German scientists into the country. Artillery experts, submarine architects, chemical weapons technicians and designers and—most importantly—Dr. Wernher Von Braun and his entire V2 rocket staff. Von Braun, who of course went on to found the American space program, was certainly a Nazi, as were Dr. Herbert Axster, Dr. Arthur Rudolph, and SS officer Georg Richkey.

They called it Operation Overcast, and never was a deed more aptly-named and better-left hidden.

350!!! Its worse than I thought!! There is a couple more months research

Source


Seeing as few read the links

The unfinished Pacific war trumped other concerns. On July 6, 1945, the Joint Chiefs of Staff approved Operation Overcast, to “exploit … chosen, rare minds whose continuing intellectual productivity we wish to use” to “assist in shortening the Japanese war.” The Joint Chiefs’ order allowed for 350 specialists, excluding known or alleged war criminals, to be brought temporarily to America. They would be shipped back to Europe as soon as they completed their work.

The first Overcast scientists arrived in America in September. The Pacific War was over by then, but by early the next year 150 were working across the country, at locations like Wright Field in Ohio, Sands Point in Long Island, the Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland, and Fort Bliss, Texas. The project should soon have ended, but the scientists knew too much about America’s defense system to be sent home, and the United States didn’t want to free them to help the USSR anyway. Despite a federal immigration law that banned Nazis, President Harry S. Truman in September 1946 authorized Operation Paperclip, as a successor to Overcast. The Paperclip plan was to import up to 1,000 more scientists and technicians, on the condition that “No person found … to have been a member of the Nazi Party and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazism or militarism, shall be brought to the U.S. hereunder.” The job of deciding which activities were “nominal” went to a panel of State and Justice Department experts.

American Heritage magazine

All things fair in War.....

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Originally posted by Essan
I really do think this current topic of conversation is both disingenuous and unnecessary - and, indeed, potentially very offensive and insulting

Okay throw the History books on the fire... and all those FOIA documents that are finally coming to light about what really happened... and we can all go back to playing Ostrich

40 years from now when we find out who really did 911, it won't matter either... after all it was 50 years ago....



All they have to do is sit and wait us out

It is well known that the Gov't shuts down and removes websites on the basis of security in various forms.

Try Google, plenty of examples.

So..based on this, it would seem obvious that even the most obscure sites are monitored at least to an extent for touchy subjects.
We know that there is overwatch, why is it so hard to think that "IF" Mr. Lear had touched upon anything considered "Secret", that there would be some form of action taken.

If he was talkin drugs... then the DEA may be interested, guns....ATF.
So, if he's talkin outer space...hmmm, wonder who'd be watching.

Sometimes a rock in the pond can ripple ever outward....



Good thoughts Mr. Lear, always interested in your mindfruit.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
That is a pretty picture...obviously a fish-eye lens, so lots of distortion as to perspective...but, from what source? I mean, something that Black, yet here is a pic of it...I can only assume, much like the B-2 and F-119, that the existence of this will be announced soon...

Mockup of Boeing X-45C UCAV demonstrator (construction of actual prototype was cancelled in favour of Northrop-Grumman X-47B). X-45C was never a "black" project.