It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by ilovepizza
1) The people of all of those countries wouldnt allow it. If a power is going to take over they need to do it gradualy.
2) Then it will take years and years and years for the other countries to join.
3) So it could happen, but not any time soon.
Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
2) Not at all ! Eastern Europe country are pushing to join the EU. Poland, Letonia, Lituania, Estonia, Finland, Bulgaria, Hungria, Romania.....all of them want to join the EU.
Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
...The sovereign countries of continental Europe and Great Britain are products of unique histories and rich cultural distinctiveness. Each country's language, art, literature, philosophy, music, architecture, cuisine and mores reflect the uniqueness of each country's history.
This amazing diversity is to be replaced with an artificial creation that has no history and no language. What is the European Union but a centralized bureaucracy with a monetary unit?
It does... what? I don't understand which point are you refering here.
Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Yeah, it does.
We had state's rights once, and meaningful differences between the states. Now, we don't. Keep that in mind when "federal" crap starts getting shoved down your nation's throat after a while.
Originally posted by MakodFilu
I see nothing wrong here. Just a lot of wonderful mixed cultures which makes us even greater.
Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
Originally posted by MakodFilu
I see nothing wrong here. Just a lot of wonderful mixed cultures which makes us even greater.
That's where we don't agree MF. For me, it's NOT wonderfull and we will not be greaters. Europe have evoluted without any cultural interferences ( or just a few ).
It should be possible if the new immigrants were all ready to learn the language, the culture, the religion and the way of life of their new nationality. But they don't.
They want to keep their language, their culture, their religion and their way of life. And most important, they try to impose their OWN languages/cultures/religions/ways of life in the country where they want to go live.
Originally posted by MakodFilu
I think it should be sufficient with the language. All must speak Spanish here, whatever the origin, because we are Spanish. About culture and religion, we wouldn't care less: we have lots, as there are Germans, English, Lebanese, Indian, Frenchs,..., living all here. No real treats to our culture. In fact, most of us embrace certain aspects of their culture, and they embrace our culture as well (mostly). We took the best of them. They become *us*. A great trade for me.
Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
But remove the Frenchs, the Germans and the Englishs. Replace them with Turkish, Algerians and Moroccos peoples, and we will see if you are still happy !
We don't have problems with asiatic or other europeans peoples. We have many problems with peoples who are comming from Africa, North-Africa and Middle-east. In fact, peoples who are NOT europeans !
Originally posted by MakodFilu
1) I mentioned Lebanese, wich are from Middle-east. Not a problem here, there are muslims here as well (my aunt is lebanese). I even know a nice muslim girl (wich wears exactly as we do, no bhurka, or whatever it's spelled).
2) But you almost got a point here. Marocco ones are recent inmigrants here, and we are experiencing the problems you portrayed. But now there are Marocco childrens in the schools. We are integrating once again. There is a cultural trouble now, but that problem will not be there in ten or so years. As I said, we are integrating with another culture once again.
Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
1) With what I saw about Lebaneses peoples who are living now in Australia, I'm skeptic.
2) Yes, sure....We were thinking like you, 20/30 years ago. But now, we understand that we did a terrible and deadly mistake. The majority of the immigrants from the second and the third generation are NOT assimilated and don't want to be assimilated.
Originally posted by MakodFilu
It does... what? I don't understand which point are you refering here.
Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Yeah, it does.
We had state's rights once, and meaningful differences between the states. Now, we don't. Keep that in mind when "federal" crap starts getting shoved down your nation's throat after a while.
Didn't I stated *I* live in Canary Islands, a *federal* prototype even if not intended? I see nothing wrong here. Just a lot of wonderful mixed cultures which makes us even greater.
Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
...(rant)...I can't say either way because I know little if anything about your home, other than it is worthy of visiting, and I know little of you as we havn't talked much yet.
I have spent some time on the mainland of Europe, and I have had many frinds - English, German, a couple Belgian, and even (gasp!) a couple French. I know how there used to be individualism, but that started to wain a bit. Now it has devolved to this point.
You have a "wonderful" mix of cultures. Great! I'm glad you enjoy it. I enjoyed the individual cultures with which I've made contact and hate to see them come closer to losing their uniqueness.
Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Europe as we have known it is disappearing. Soon there will be no France, no Germany, no Italy, no Austria, no Spain, no Denmark, no Belgium, no Holland, no Greece, no Ireland, no Great Britain. Every country will be gone. In their place will be the European Union.