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Originally posted by Vikturtle
I've always been fascinated by schizophrenia. And thinking outside of the box, I've wondered what if what they are seeing is real, the voices real, the hallucinations real and we are the mentally defective that can not see the truth.
I do not think all have supernatural powers, I think many have just been overwhelmed with living and many others have been misdiagnosed and the drugs do not help them find their footing. But I have to say I have heard some of the wisest comments and deepest insights from those society consider insane.
We are quick in this society to say if we do not see it, it does not exist, but I agree with the OP, we are discovering new ideas and discoveries all the time and perhaps we do not know as much as we think we do.
Originally posted by favouriteslave
Heres my take on it.
1. Either that person actually has more than one soul or conscious persona in one body. Like when they were conceived more than one was impressioned on the physical body.
2. Or this person is becoming a personality from their previous life. Like that personality didn't want to end or pass on the torch and let nature take its course. I was strong willed and refused to be left behind.
Definitely not possession. It is possible that many of us have many souls but they only surface in presence of a chemical imbalance.
[edit on 5-10-2007 by favouriteslave]
Originally posted by Ram
I have read through all the post.
There are two things missing - in my opinion.
I'm not talking about the things that are discussed - and mentioned.
1337cshacker came very close to what those two things are that are missing here. The connection and the reason.
We are all connected to a network - Besides being an electronic network (internet) - there is the other network.
Natures network - and our political network.
1337cshacker writing about the functions of nature - Oxygen tanks and all the functions of our bodies. Which is probably how an engineer would think of this mess we are trapped inside. the mechanism of arms legs and all the other functions of the human structure.
That is natures network (we are nature) - And one person mentions a Lion How it would be impossible to have a conversation with a Lion because it's perspective is on another level - or just different.
I always think that small lions - house cats - wild cats (un-house cat's) - give us an opportunity to interact with a smaller version of the Lion. They are big or dangerous to us - because we can handle them - they cannot kill us like the big ones.
Anyway - Natures network - is a network we are connected to - and a part of.
Have you ever heard the "we lost contact with nature"?
It's like someone thinks - we surpassed nature - or it's like a car-race - where the human car drives past the car of nature - and perhaps wins.
And that is where we meet the political network
- because - someone must be driving the car of human society. (order out of caos)
The political network - is a bigger from of control - than our own personal ability to be in control of our bodies - the oxygen tanks and the legs arms and the other functions of the human body.
We are part of that - the political network.
And it affects us! - because some Elite have chosen to be our Gods.
That is the two missing things in this thread.
Natures network - and our political network.
And since this is above top secret - those two missing things in this thread are above our "normal" things - That is placed in front of our noses eyes -and all the other senses we have.
They give us TV media manipulation - They send us letters each month about how much we owe each other, in forms of bills/money. And that is un-natural.
What they inflict on this planet is un-natural.
www.youtube.com... - fake votes.
To get into the subject "Are all schizophrenics or mentally-ill people really crazy or do they have some kind of supernatural"
- I think it's important to understand our connection to nature - And why do we call it super-natural? weird stuff we say..
It might just be natural - but the things and mechanism that controls our caos is un-natural - Which is political.
It's the only un-natural thing on this planet. You can never be mentally sick unless you have a heavy burden from some other source.
The real insane of this world are the ones that thinks they need to act like they are our gods - and off-course our only insanity is us being trapped inside the box they have created.
The goal is "natural living" - we can't get there without a total destruction of politics as they are now. So we stay sick
- And buy the medicine this un-natural power gives us - if we can afford it - and have a job. Because it makes, and diagnose people as sicks.
I don't think any creature loves to be trapped (jumping around a prison ain't that much fun as some would like it to be)
- if the being finds out it is in a prison like state. Or a prison like, state of mind. It wants to break out - understand and take control of nature back to it's natural place. (what is meditation?)
This whole planet - is sick - don't forget that is the greatest influence of all.
And you Americans - You better Vote for Ron Paul.
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I think it goes through all of us - and we filter it according to the teachings in our society - Or how we was taught to filter natures gift.
If you don't understand what nature is - here is a small proof what it is..
a Picture.
And it will never be disconnected from us - and always influence our minds.
Do you feel connected to natures beauty when going to job - or school in the morning - i doubt it.
There you have it.
[edit on 6-10-2007 by Ram]
Originally posted by Long Lance
Originally posted by g14meilooksee
IBurning women at the steak because they where said to be witches because they had black cats.
.. might as well have been a convenient excuse. you alluded that accusing someone of insanity might be designed to 'shoot the messenger' so to speak, which should probably be applied to the past as well.
Ain't it strange how you can sell today's world how backward and ignorant our ancestors were, without raising concerns about our own shortcomings?
Originally posted by anakin405
Demon possessed? I thought you were an Atheist? Also, according to some blacklisted files, Einstein was mentally ill and was fed Opiates to relax his mind. Perhaps this is why there is speculation on interest in Opium production.
Originally posted by bergle
reply to post by wantsome
Jeese, you guys....The very first thing you HAVE TO take into account is that you cannot trust the mental health professionals!
The travesty of the incarceration and confinement of perfectly good minds is one of the biggest scams of the modern age.
One thing that must always be taken into account is that the mental health professionals are workers in an INDUSTRY!
This industry has tortured and drugged persons since before Freud.
....gradually turning into the tangled mess that we see today.
Woe betide the poor booger that comes into their powers.
They are the very essence of the problems they "diagnose "most people with.
Having come into contact with this weird situation personally it is obvious to me that the people who work in this INDUSTRY are themselves touched with the same madnesses .....the absolute idiocy and stupidity of how they "care for"the afflicted persons is sicker than you can ever imagine.
The first thing that happens to a person who is diagnosed with anything in their inventory is the de-empowerment of their whole being.
The so called therapists are more than eager the rack up expensive hours at prodigious rates over years in treating ailments which are mostly imaginary.....their imagination too!
Yes i agree that there are some persons who need to be protected from themselves, and for the protection of others too, are incarcerated.
But the INDUSTRY MUST KEEP THE HOSPITALS FULL!
Consequently, many many people find themselves going through a bad patch, and end up in the hands of these mostly quacks....!
Check out people like Ewen Cameron (former head of the MK Ultra experiments in conjunction with Nazi paper clip scientists imported by the military into Canada.!)
One has absolutely no idea what these vultures have done to people who have come for help or fallen into the mental health industry`s grasp by happenstance.
The cruelty and casual disregard for humanity of mental patients has NOT improved over the old system under which people were incarcerated for life in bedlam.
Please, if you are dealing with these institutions BE CAREFUL!
They have crushed and broken perhaps many more than they ever helped, and they have definitely hastened the untimely deaths or debilitated thousands of their patients.
The very medicines they prescribe are capable of destruction of the finer faculties of the human mind in many cases.
Many of their diagnoses are entirely based on their prejudices and personal agendas.
They are dedicated to making the people they deal with into copies of what they believe to be sane....but they themselves have the power, and are insane!they do not deal in reality, and they do not live normal lives themselves so cannot understand from the outset what we lower grade humans deal with in society...They are elitists and totally unconscionable....,after all they are the model they want us all to comply with.
My suggestion is investigate the mind on your own....look into shamanism more deeply......there are beings who understand much about these realms of consciousness but they don't work in the mental health INDUSTRY>
bergle
Originally posted by phinubian
I am convinced from my reading only that a lot of people that are diagnosed as mentally ill are actually infected with some sort of organism or parasite, that could affect their brain or actually consume some of the matter there, some of which I do think are parasitic worms and such have the ability long term to do things that alter the persons mood and mental state, don't get me wrong I don't believe that all cases are because of this but many could be.
As far as schizophrenia, I think certain drug use could contribute to it, such as use of '___' and heavy usage of marijuana, some people can become schizophrenic that were otherwise normal.
All the rest of the reasons could be caused by some physical handicap or brain anomaly and I think it could be possible that some of these may have rendered or enhanced certain brain function to work out of bounds of normal capabilities and therefore you might see some extraordinary powers that would not be notable in a normal brain.
[edit on 6-10-2007 by phinubian]
Originally posted by wigit
Totally agree, though I'm concerned about the amount of folk who have mental or emotional disorders. Not just on this thread. It seems quite prolific and I can't help but wonder if a lot of folk would have gotten better sooner if it wasn't for the pills? Or is it something they put in the food these days? No insult to anyone is intended here. I've had times when I haven't felt right inside, feeling bad for no reason, but it goes away. I often wonder if I took medication for feeling bad would I be worse? When my gran died in the early 70s my mum got a wee bit depressed and the doc gave her Valium. She went on taking them and similar meds for the rest of her life, and god help us when she ran out for any reason. I often wonder how much different our lives would have been if she didn't take them. She went to work and she went to sleep and that was it. Sorry for going off topic, I've just noticed there's a lot of folk with a lot of problems they can't cope with without medication.
Originally posted by Astyanax
Applause
What a fantastic thread.
Some brave, frank and honest people here.
Flags, stars and outdated Way About Top Secrets broadcast.
Originally posted by kindred
Interesting topic. Well one thing is for sure. The human brain, (consciousness and subconsciousness) is very complex and I don't think scientist's will discover how it really works anytime soon.
Why is it some people study all their lives and show very little improvement in some subjects such as math. Yet someone who isn't very good with numbers suddenly gets hit by a baseball and then wakes up as a mathematical genius. Basically certain people who suffer some sort of brain damage develop savant abilities literally almost overnight. Why is that? So instead of spending all my life studying, maybe I should just buy a baseball bat and proceed to hit myself over the head with it. (The idiots guide to higher intelligence).
A savant or idiot savant is someone that expresses extraordinary mental abilities, often in the fields of mathematics, art, or music but set within the context of an otherwise unexceptional intellect. It is a rare phenomenon which occurs in some people with autism and/or certain developmental disorders. Some people have acquired savant-like abilities after suffering from head injuries.
Savantism is usually recognized during childhood and is often but not always found in autistic children. However it is also sometimes acquired in an accident or illness, typically one that impairs the left side of the brain. There is some research that suggests that it can be induced, which might support the view that savant abilities are innate within all of us but obscured by the normal functioning intellect.
www.wireheading.com...
www.savantacademy.org...
I think it's possible that schizophrenia might be caused by information overload. Somehow the brain cannot process or handle the amount of information that is being thrown at it and this factor results in the person going crazy.
I agree WIGIT. Medication such as anti-depressants affect your brain chemistry and everyone's brain chemistry is different. As a result some people have adverse reactions to certain medications. Currently, there is no simple way to determine whether people will respond well, badly, or not at all to a medication; therefore, pharmaceutical companies are limited to developing drugs using a "one size fits all" system.
[edit on 6-10-2007 by kindred]
Originally posted by Schizoflux
It's been nice reading everyones posts. I suffer schizo affective, ever since 2002. I know the reason for my illness, it was drug induced by sustained usage of methamphetamine. I deserved what was coming to me. I'm quite familiar with delusions, hallucinations and so forth. I can assure it's all natural, meaning chemical imbalances in the brain... no angels of demons here. Although one can still have a hallucination that he saw an angel very easy. Reality is morphed and warped big time when suffering the illness. Meds are our savior from lock up. Along the lines of evolution I often wonder did Neanderthal suffer mental illness? Poor guy had no meds, no help at all back then. Everyday day we're trying to see reality as best as we can perceive it. And maybe in the future new drugs will come about that will save us
Originally posted by Throbber
Originally posted by wigit
Totally agree, though I'm concerned about the amount of folk who have mental or emotional disorders. Not just on this thread. It seems quite prolific and I can't help but wonder if a lot of folk would have gotten better sooner if it wasn't for the pills? Or is it something they put in the food these days? No insult to anyone is intended here. I've had times when I haven't felt right inside, feeling bad for no reason, but it goes away. I often wonder if I took medication for feeling bad would I be worse? When my gran died in the early 70s my mum got a wee bit depressed and the doc gave her Valium. She went on taking them and similar meds for the rest of her life, and god help us when she ran out for any reason. I often wonder how much different our lives would have been if she didn't take them. She went to work and she went to sleep and that was it. Sorry for going off topic, I've just noticed there's a lot of folk with a lot of problems they can't cope with without medication.
I never took medication once, but it still took a while for me to realize just what was going on inside my head - it's the kind of thing that takes serious introspective activity to take care of; you can't simply hide behind a smokescreen of drugs, it'll never deal with the problem.
The problem with your grandmother is probably age, i mean we all die sooner or later, and it isn't uncommon for people to die in their sleep.
You make a good point, though - did she explain why she was depressed?
Often the case is that a doctor has no choice other than to prescribe drugs - the guy doesn't know if it's a psychological problem or a neurological one - neurology is treated with drugs, psychology is treated by a shrink.
It is possible to shrink yourself, btw - but even though i tried i was never certain until i visited the local shrink office.
I love that word - 'shrink', it just makes the world of psychology seem so much more friendly.
My 'shrink' told me an interesting story about the human condition - that everything you think of has an opposite; by thinking "I feel good today" it implies that on other days, you feel bad.
It's like a more specific understanding of the Buddhist precept of humans endure suffering throughout their entire lives - it explains how.
Ever hear of the 'warrior' mentality?
By saying "I feel stronger" it implies that you were weak a few moments ago.
BE strong.
Or using pop-culture as a reference in the form of the infinite wisdom of Yoda - "There is no try, only Do".
Originally posted by fndherway
First, I am offended by the word "crazy." It would be incredibly frightening to have the symptoms of schizophrenia - and crazy would not begin to describe it. The term crazy is more of prejudice term than an adjective.
Second, I am not sure why some people have brain disorders and others do not. But I do know our bodies begin to die the moment we are born - and as we die, things change. I would be more inclined to think people who are diagnosed with schizophrenia had it at birth, but remained dormant until a tragedy, illness or accident caused it to take effect.
I do not put much trust in the mental health field - I have a friend and family member with brain disorders. Both of them lead wonderfully normal lives with episodes that interrupt it from time to time. Doctors do not know enough to help - other than give pills that keep the episodes at bay.
As much trust as I give the mental health field is as much thought I am willing to give the thought of supernatural powers causing schizophrenia or being a "benefit" of the disease. I do not believe the two go hand in hand.
The brain is an incredibly complicated organ that we confuse with the soul. We are NOT what we think, or what we know or what we learn. We are also not what we feel, or what we have or want or need. We are, however, what we make ourselves part of. Good or bad, we are a part of a whole we CHOOSE. We don't get to choose which part we are (that is what we are given), so we have to be careful where we choose to fit in. Schizophrenia can cloud how one sees the part one is. Those of us who are blessed enough to see the big picture can help.
Don't worry about how to classify a person with schizophrenia ----- learn empathy, compassion and strength to help. Or at the very least, stand silently.
Originally posted by LostInThought
While there are psychological disorders that keep people from being able to function normally in society, I still believe that there were certain mental "diseases" created for the sole purpose of keeping the majority in the same thought process. I think negative terms such as "insanity" and "crazy" were created so that the average person wouldn't straddle to far away from the "normal" thought process.
Originally posted by dominicus
These people have insights that we need to be asking them about.
Originally posted by g14meilooksee
Really I use to think mine help me rap to but I found out that it was all in myself and god has givin everyone so much. It is possible that other behings,spirits, or something else would help me write the lyrics who knows maybe they still are.
[edit on 8-10-2007 by g14meilooksee]