Lost cosmonauts

Found this multimedia:
i don't know if it has been discussed here on ATS.
www.focus.it...

That's pretty frikken creepy. I wonder if the spacecraft eventually deorbited and burned up?

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Are these audio files available from some other source to verify they have not been faked?

Originally posted by Copernicus
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Are these audio files available from some other source to verify they have not been faked?

Copernicus, you're right. I apologize to have not provided other sources, so far.
This case has been discussed in the past, maybe not here.
This link should be useful

www.svengrahn.pp.se...

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Thank you.

Yes, its always nice to get as much information as possible about something. Im not saying I believe its false. Actually it sounds pretty interesting.

.. and this should be the official website
www.lostcosmonauts.com...

Wow excellent stuff.


Sounds authentic but who knows. Thanks for posting this it was really interesting

Those Commie bastard's couldn't even tell the truth about a stray dog they got off the street's of Moscow.
They made her famous, they launched her into space on Sputnik II. They lied all along about their progress, and they lied about Laika surviving for 4 days in orbit. She died shortly after the launch on November 3rd 1957.

The Soviet Union only told the truth if it was convenient for them, and they've told so many lies that even now, I wonder if any information from Russia is accurate.

Laika died a few hours after launch from stress and overheating, probably due to a malfunction in the thermal control system. The true cause of her death was not made public until decades after the flight. Some former Soviet scientists have since expressed regret that Laika was allowed to die.
en.wikipedia.org...

They took a lot of heat from critics around the world because they had no plan to ever return her to Earth alive, and she was cremated upon re-entry after 162 days in space.

Enough food (in a gelatinous form) was provided for a seven-day flight, and the dog was fitted with a bag to collect waste. A harness was designed to be fitted to the dog, and there were chains to restrict its movements to standing, sitting or lying down; there was no room to turn around in the cabin.

It's almost better that she died after launch, but the Soviet Union took a large public relations hit very early on in their program, and it stung.
Lying became a part of their official policy, and that policy spurred the U.S.A. to accelerate their own program, so something good did come out of the lies.

Space.com has the true story on Laika:
www.space.com...

great find. No matter what, very interesting stories. I think i am gonna write a story about this.

If you do a little research, there are some people who believe this information is in fact made up by the two brothers who made the recordings...

One of the things I remember reading about as well was that in those days, it was considered an honor to die in advancement of russia, which is partly why they didn't worry about bringing the dog back... The claim is that if others had indeed died, they would in fact released the information at the time...


I'm unsure as to which side to believe, but I figured someone should point out there is a dissenting view...

This all happened when I was a kid. I remember headlines about the lady cosmonaut that was lost at the time. there was ONE DAY of headlines, and then nothing. It was all hushed up--no follow up or anything. If I could get to the archives of the Tacoma News Tribune I could probably find it. This was well before the Italian dudes were born.

Originally posted by schuyler
This all happened when I was a kid. I remember headlines about the lady cosmonaut that was lost at the time. there was ONE DAY of headlines, and then nothing. It was all hushed up--no follow up or anything. If I could get to the archives of the Tacoma News Tribune I could probably find it. This was well before the Italian dudes were born.

Schuyler, thank you for your post. It would be interesting if you'll find that newspaper.
About the italian brothers, they recorded the woman one in 1961.
Could they are two different incidents?

After the successful orbital flight of Yuri Gagarin, the Soviet authorities wanted to give a further demonstration of their superiority: Alan Shepard had finally entered space on May 5, 1961, but only for a brief, suborbital flight. The U.S.S.R. would send into orbit the first woman cosmonaut, before the americans could even attempt their first orbital flight. And while the americans were planning one additional suborbital flight before attempting a flight of only three orbits, the russian woman cosmonaut would fly 17 times around the earth.

The launch took place on the 16th of May, 1961. We don't know what went wrong during the flight, but re-entry had to be delayed. It is possible that the thermal shield of the Vostok capsule may have been damaged during launch. A decision was finally made to attempt re-entry on May 23rd, due to the dwindling air supplies.

The italian listening post manned by the Judica-Cordiglia brothers had, by now, learned how to intercept the voice communications between the spacecraft and mission control, in addition to the physiological data received on the previous missions.
The document we are presenting is dramatic and unsettling: the cosmonaut can be heard complaining about the increasing ambient temperature, in a professional voice which yet betrays the knowledge of a mission gone terribly wrong. In the end, when flames start engulfing the capsule, the voice becomes heart-rending.

A full english translation is presented, together with the original voice recording.

Three days later, on May 26, 1961, TASS, the soviet press agency announced the return to earth on the 23rd of a large, unmanned satellite which burned upon re-entering the atmosphere. The satellite was the size of a city bus. Its launch had not been previously disclosed and its purpose was unknown.

I've found even the transcript

five...four...three ...two...one...one
two...three...four...five...
come in... come in... come in...
LISTEN...LISTEN! ...COME IN!
COME IN... COME IN... TALK TO ME!
TALK TO ME!... I AM HOT!... I AM HOT!
WHAT?... FORTYFIVE?... WHAT?...
FORTYFIVE?... FIFTY?...
YES...YES...YES... BREATHING...
BREATHING... OXYGEN...
OXYGEN... I AM HOT... (THIS)
ISN'T THIS DANGEROUS?... IT'S ALL...
ISN'T THIS DANGEROUS?... IT'S ALL...
YES...YES...YES... HOW IS THIS?
WHAT?... TALK TO ME!... HOW SHOULD I
TRANSMIT? YES...YES...YES...
WHAT? OUR TRANSMISSION BEGINS NOW...
FORTYONE... THIS WAY... OUR
TRANSMISSION BEGINS NOW...
FORTYONE... THIS WAY... OUR
TRANSMISSION BEGINS NOW...
FORTYONE... YES... I FEEL HOT...
I FEEL HOT... IT'S ALL... IT'S HOT...
I FEEL HOT... I FEEL HOT... I FEEL HOT...
... I CAN SEE A FLAME!... WHAT?...
I CAN SEE A FLAME!... I CAN SEE A
FLAME!...
I FEEL HOT... I FEEL HOT... THIRTYTWO...
THIRTYTWO... FORTYONE... FORTYONE
AM I GOING TO CRASH?... YES...YES... I FEEL HOT!...
I FEEL HOT!... I WILL REENTER!... I WILL REENTER...
I AM LISTENING!... I FEEL HOT!...

Source:
www.lostcosmonauts.com...

The brothers founded an agency: they are
expert consultant for justice courts about audio stuff.


About what they intercepted:

In this document, produced by italian aeronautic and astronautic association, (AIDAA), a member of italian counter intelligence reveals that the brothers have been contacted by soviets KGB in early '60s, and that italian counter intelligence followed all the works of the brothres in order to gather infos about the soviets space program.
After the assestments, the italian counter intelligence settled that they really intercepted radio transmission coming from russian satellites and spaceships, and that besides they could access important informations about many thinks, thank to the works of the brothers.



Here i've found an article from April 1965 issue of Reader's Digest:

ITALY'S AMAZING AMATEUR SPACE WATCHERS
By J. D. Ratcliff
April 1965
With homemade electronic equipment, two young Italians are keeping tabs on Russian satellites and making some startling discoveries...

There is an eerie possibility that a long-dead Russian astronaut is today hurtling silently through space at thousands of miles an hour - the victim of a Soviet space shot that went wrong. His body perfectly preserved by intense cold, he may be a lonely wanderer in space for centuries to come.

Evidence that such a macabre voyager may exist comes from an exciting new band of hobbyists: amateur space watchers. Like the early ham-radio operators, these talented enthusiasts build their own equipment, often creating for a few hundred dollars - out of such cast - off junk as chicken wire, used pipe, second hand radios - instruments that would cost a government hundreds of thousands. Their eavesdropping on astronauts and their satellite - tracking achievements are impressive even to professionals.

Of the many amateur tracking stations now scattered over the earth, one of the most striking and complete is located in the peaceful little village of San Maurizio Canavese, 12 miles outside Turin, Italy. Although much of the equipment is either homemade or dates back to World War II, it looks thoroughly efficient. Inexpensive kitchen clocks on the wall give Greenwich Mean Time, local time in Moscow, Cape Kennedy and Turin. Operators wear white lab coats. The tracking console faithfully copies the one at Cape Kennedy - ingeniously modeled after photographs and scaled down to one fifth size.

Continues here ...
Edit to add this url:
www.youtube.com...

[edit on 6/10/2007 by internos]

Originally posted by anxietydisorder
The Soviet Union only told the truth if it was convenient for them, and they've told so many lies that even now, I wonder if any information from Russia is accurate.

Sounds a bit like our government too...


Here is another article on this...

PHANTOMS OF SPACE
James Oberg 1975
www.jamesoberg.com...

Nice work Internos.... and about wanting Pegasus to release this? LOL You just did

Just yesterday night, the italian television talk about the Judica Cordiglia brothers. The audio recording are not faked and in the interview they talk about everything with a lot of detail. They intercept a signal from Russia with a note of a famous russian simphony (now i dont remember which one), and they discovered that this signal is a sort of sincronization of all the russia radio listen posts that prepared for a launch. When the first station was ready transmit the first note of the simphony, when the second was ready transmit the first and the second note...etc etc... when the last station was ready the symphony was trasmitted complete. In this way they was able to know in advance when a russian mission start, without any Intelligence help.

Originally posted by zorgon


Nice work Internos.... and about wanting Pegasus to release this? LOL You just did

Zorgon, check the date of the mail:
i've sent it the day before opening this thread: since i get no answer within 24 hrs, i couldn't wait more: Focus is an international magazine: as you've seen we have been scooped, sometime else (see Martian holes)
Thank you for your find:



Listed in the plaque:

Charles Bassett (died Feb. 1966 in an aircraft accident),

Pavel Belyayev (Jan. 1970, disease),

Roger Chaffee (Jan. 1967, Apollo 1 fire),

Georgi Dobrovolsky (Jun. 1971 re-entry pressurization failure),

Theodore Freeman (Oct. 1964, aircraft accident),

Yuri Gagarin (Mar. 1968, aircraft accident),

Edward Givens (Jun. 1967, automobile accident),

Gus Grissom (Jan. 1967, Apollo 1 fire),

Vladimir Komarov (Apr. 1967, re-entry parachute failure),

Viktor Patsayev (Jun. 1971, re-entry pressurization failure),

Elliot See (Feb. 1966, aircraft accident),

Vladislaw Volkov (Jun. 1971, re-entry pressurization failure),

Edward White (Jan. 1967, Apollo 1 fire),

C.C. Williams (Oct. 1967, aircraft accident).

Source:
www.check-six.com...

Edit to add resized pic


[edit on 23/10/2007 by internos]

Originally posted by internos since i get no answer within 24 hrs, i couldn't wait more: Focus is an international magazine:

Well never wait for me... my schedule does not allow me to be at the computer everyday... Never let them scoop us

UPDATE

New Info

Added by Grover

Lost in Space
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I spotted this site a while back before before my ATS days.

Also concluded that ATS had been there! Done it!

Well it just shows that you never take things for granted and It would be great to put this up on Pegasus.

Thanks Internos you beat me to it

Regards BDU

Fifty years ago, it wasn’t possible to build a simple computer that weighed less than a ton, yet we were firing men and women into outer space who were prepared to die the loneliest of deaths. They were true heroes. And, thanks to radio, we know about their sacrifices.” He patted a shelf full of recordings. “We must never forget them.”

*snif*

This is one of those "legends" that unfortunatley, for the families of the cosmonauts, is probably based more in fact than fiction. This is just my opinion however. Derived from a firm belief of both Russia and US secondary classified space programs ( aka secret manned space programs). However the Italian brother's "heartbeat" recordings I think are misinterpretations of the actual Sputnik transmissions, the rest is spot on. Thanks for posting this Internos