Did the Space Shuttle dock at the Secret Space Station tonight?, page 14

posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 10:52 PM

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My ex-NSA informant revealed that there has been a manned "deep space platform" in orbit above Earth for over thirty years! "It [has] had three-man [American] crews as well as Russians 'on' since '68!" He further states that since 1973, the space station received additional extremely-high technology, "and has had upgrades since." His disclosure confirms reports I had heard previously from former military officers about a secret space platform in orbit. This disclosure makes clear that the Cape Canaveral Space Shuttles launches, and the "first" American space station being assembled by NASA', are just government "cover" programs. Such programs have served to deflect the public from becoming aware before now of the existence of a black- project military space station, and of classified military craft which can go well past orbit into deep space.

This conversation is very interesting. This proves that Mr. Lear is not just making this stuff up. I just don't get why NASA would spend so much just for a "cover" program. I don't think it would make sense, they are better off just not showing anything on NASA TV. I think the ISS' prime function is to monitor the Earth's new climate changes. Endeavor went up just in time to track Hurricane Dean. Yes, the climate is controlled. FACT !

Here is the link

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Melbourne_Militia

posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 11:38 PM

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This topic of your John Lear has just triggered a memory in me off a book my mum bought me as a kid, interested in space and all Ive just searched me study and have found it and I do beleive that it will contribute to this topic.

Titled "High Frontier"
Subtitle "There is a defense against Nuclear War"

by General Daniel O.Graham
Former Deputy Director of the CIA

It was written in 1983, published by Tom Doherty Associates,Inc.
8-10 West 36th Street, New York, New York, 10018

(Thats of the inside of the book)

On the first page is a quote by Congressman Newt Gingrich which I shall type out below, but which may hint at what this Secret Space Station's possible usage may be.

By Newt Gingrich
" . . . He who Controls Space may well control the future of Mankind. We have a chance, through High Frontier, using existing technology to develop a space program that is absolutely necessary to our survival and that will give us a chance to move past the Russians to assure our own nation and freedom a future on this planet"

The book goes into detail on how (and dont forget this is written in 1983) the US should and will deploy a space based defensive weapons platform that in their eyes will insure them against any possible nuclear retaliation by any nation on earth by being able to use energy partical weapons to shoot down any type of object launched anywhere in the world, thus securing the US if it wanted to use nuclear weapons as a first strike policy.

President Reagon kicked this all off and it is mentioned on page 3, a dedication of the book to Reagon that thanks him for bringin in this policy so that M.A.D - Mutually Assured Destruction became a thing of the past and the new system of A.S - Assured Survival takes it place.

These Secret Space Station Mr Lear has brought up here, I beleive are part of this High Frontier project and this has been in the works as other have mentioned for decades now. I do not beleive that it ends with the one station but that there are many totally surrounding the planet, getting to the point of Ultimate Control, Ultimate Defense, and Ultimate Surrender for this system when employed will render any opposition useless and futile.

On Page 42 and 43 it quotes -

The most promising possiblity for a second generation space-borne defence is product improvement on the first generation. With the addition of advanced infra-red sensing devices, the space-borne elements can be made capable of attacking individual warheads, not only during the early phase of ballistic trajectory but throughout the trajectory up to re-entry into the atmosphere, which in effect provides two layers of spaceborne defences.
This system could be ready for deployment in 1990 at a cost of $5 billion add-on costs of the first generation hardware.

The requirement for high technology space defence systems might also be met by high-powered laser system on the ground with redirecting mirrors on satellites, or by beam weapon systems deployed in space or in ground based pop up installations. These systems were not proposed during the High Frintier studies; rather, they were proposed as elements of High Frontier because they were already being researched.

Kind of all builds up to the conclusion of fully militarising space, and completely controlling the planet. Maybe why the US seems so gung-ho at the moment for they know that in a worst case scenario they can use these weapons platforms orbiting the planet to take out any target they wish.

Which beggars the question, why dont they use these platforms now???

What are they setting the stage for? if these weapons platforms are so high tech, there would not be any adversary able to come close to this technology.

Or is it actually aimed the other way? Towards space to protect the Earth from alien threats and turn this Planet into an actual "Death Star" to the point where with alien tech. we manage to keep out each and every possible craft that tries to enter our atmosphere?

Too many questions, not enough answers, thou with the research some of the memberrs here have done, the conclusions dont seem too favorable.

zorgon

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 12:39 AM

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By Newt Gingrich
" . . . He who Controls Space may well control the future of Mankind. We have a chance, through High Frontier, using existing technology to develop a space program that is absolutely necessary to our survival and that will give us a chance to move past the Russians to assure our own nation and freedom a future on this planet"

WOW

So according to Newt the Russians were still ahead of us in Space in 1983... Now THAT is an interesting little clip... I shall seek out this book for the library... Thanks for the contribution...

zorgon

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by StreetCorner Philosopher[/i
I just don't get why NASA would spend so much just for a "cover" program. I don't think it would make sense, they are better off just not showing anything on NASA TV.

Thank you for this find... Now I have more work to do to track this down

As to NASA "coverup" I don't think its a coverup as such, but a second space program,one for the public. Showing nothing would not do... too many questions then... consider it more like X rated shows...

There are programs for the "big boys" and then there are programs for the "children" Space fascinates us all... so spending money for a second program is not a problem... But don't forget even the NASA programs give multi million dollar off shoots to business like Velcro for example... ever bought any lately? we use tons of it in the convention business... That is just one way the program actually pays for itself..

The other program too has its own payback and where did the original money come from? Just read the papers... lots of money "missing" several trillion I understand... How do you "misplace " several trillion dollars?

Now then back to the mysteries of space... It has been argued that they don't dock two vessels at ISS...

July 24, 2007. S.P. Korolev RSC Energia,
Korolev, Moscow Region

A correction of the International Space Station (ISS) orbit has been carried out.
The objective of this correction was to establish orbital parameters needed to support the docking with the Russian logistics spacecraft Progress M-61 (to be launched on August 2), and the US Space Shuttle Orbiter Endeavor (to be launched on August 8, 2007), as well as to take the space station away to avoid a possible collision with hardware which had been dismantled earlier from the ISS US orbital segment during EVA operations.
The correction was performed automatically, using approach and attitude control thrusters of the Progress M-60 logistics spacecraft attached to the ISS. The command to carry it out was sent from the Mission Control Center near Moscow. After a 21 minute (1265 sec) burn of the spacecraft thrusters, the ISS orbital altitude was raised by 7.5 km.

www.energia.ru...

So who was it that told me they can't dock two at the same time?

OH and that report also had this in it...

For information:
During their space walk from the US orbital segment carried out on July 22-23, 2007, Fedor Yurchikhin (RSC Energia test-cosmonaut and Clayton Anderson (NASA astronaut) dismantled and jettisoned into the space around the station some disposable structural elements of the segment (large ammonia tank belonging to the ISS thermal control system and the video camera support strut).

As if there isn't enough junque floating around out there

So they had to move the ISS to avoid coliding with space junque... then proceed to jetison another large tank and add to the space junque...

Does this make any sense? At the cost of getting fuel up there why would they toss out more space junque that they have to avoid later?

:shk:

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johnlear

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 01:11 AM
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originally posted by JRA

Secondly, black is the worst colour to make a space station. Black absorbs light and thus heat. There's a reason why, most space ships/stations/space suits are either reflective or white.

originally posted by johnlear
Depends on what you use for camouflage? Check with Joe Resnik. (2nd request.) He is the expert. Have you read any of his patents and do you know the technology of what he developed. Actually, do you even know who the heck Joe Resnik is?

originally posted by JRA

No I do not know who he is, and a search didn't turn up much of anything either.

I am surprised you do not know who he is considering you are from Canada ...

Below are a few sites you can check out Dr. Resnik. Dr. Resnik is founder of:

The National Anti-Terrorism Technology Development and Training Center and is one of three men that own the 95% of the mineral rights on the near side and 50% of the mineral rights on the far side of the moon. The others are Guy Cramer and Lt. Col. Timothy O'Neill (Ret). O'Neill works for Cramer at HyperStealth Biotechnology Corp. They develop camouflage design.

Dr. Resnik holds several patents on Signal damping camouflage system and manufacturing method or basically making things disappear. If you read his papers I think you will probably make the connection of the possibility of disappearing Space Stations.

www.geocities.com...
www.necti.org...
www.superforce.com...
www.thelivingmoon.com...

Thanks for the post JRA.

defcon5

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon
It is clouds of dust... blowing in the breeze

I did not sign up to debate whether there is mining on the moon, or there is an atmosphere on other celestial bodies. I think that conversation is two threads down on the left.

This thread is about whether STS-118 landed at a secret space station. I don’t understand what that has to do with the moon in any way, shape, or form.

Originally posted by zorgon
Well then you just show me that you never really looked at the site as it is full of the best resolution images of the moon available and tons of documents from official sources.

But I do not wish to patronize that site, which is why I am here at ATS. If I have to go there to read something specific, then that is fine, but I certainly don’t feel the need to hunt for that info like a needle in a haystack. The way you are pushing that site, you would almost think you owned, or made a profit off it, or something.

Anyway I would be afraid of going through it, as I don’t want to end up being redirected to the FBI’s web page 100 times an hour.

Originally posted by zorgon
but it is convenient for you to "only see fuzzy images"

The images you posted in this thread, have mostly been fuzzy images. What these last few images have to do with the where the shuttle docked is anyone’s guess though.

Originally posted by zorgon
I always do I simply thought the post was in this thread

Right, but then don’t pick on me for simply trying to find information that you are acting like I should have no problem finding.

Originally posted by zorgon
I do and so does the government... they track people who do that on government websites. I have seen it in many "terms of Use" documents... they call it "data mining" And it seems they plan to clamp down on "putting the pieces of the puzzle together"

That is not data-mining, this is data-mining:

Data mining, also known as knowledge-discovery in databases (KDD), is the practice of automatically searching large stores of data for patterns. To do this, data mining uses computational techniques from statistics and pattern recognition.

There is nothing wrong with altering a URL to try and find the directories default html page.

From simply looking at the URL there is no way to tell if its in a secure directory or not.
Either way its off topic…

undo

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 06:22 AM
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I did not sign up to debate whether there is mining on the moon, or there is an atmosphere on other celestial bodies.

Well there's the rub. Mining on the moon is part of the scenario, as originally described by John and Ron in this thread. It's the impetus to begin with, the reason for building a base in the south polar regions on the Moon, the reason for expanding to other solar system planets, or rather the reason these things are necessary is for the expansion and colonization of other solar system planets. This would naturally involve mining on the moon, to provide extra-terrestrial (as in non-earth based) bases, forward staging areas, and a shipment route for goods, fuels and energy.

So whether or not we are mining the moon already, plays into this.

slaveearth

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 08:28 AM
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Even more proof that a mining operation dose exist on the far side

taken from..www.geocities.com...

LUNA is the alien base on the far side of the Moon. It was seen and filmed by the Apollo Astronauts. A base, a mining operation using very large machines, and the very large alien craft described in sighting reports as MOTHER SHIPS exist there.

and even www.thothweb.com...

Alien Bases: The Mystery of the Moon

to me if I find so much evidence I don't have to wonder.

Chorlton

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by slaveearth
to me if I find so much evidence I don't have to wonder.

But doesnt it ever worry you that none of the so called 'evidence' comes from reputable sources and that all the evidence is from blurry photos?. Most of this so called evidence is from rather dodgy conspiracy sites or sites purporting other curious ideas like reptilians etc etc etc?, all if not most of them telling you just what you want to hear so they can sell you books or CD's or DVD's.
And what is your real, honest to goodness gut feeling? That will often tell you a lot more than reading 'evidence' from highly suspect sites.

My gut feeling tells me that if there were other Space Stations in orbit around earth and anything going on on the moon, there are an awfull lot of people on this earth who monitor whats going on and who would blow the whistle.

undo

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 08:58 AM
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there are an awfull lot of people on this earth who monitor whats going on and who would blow the whistle.

And, you wouldn't believe a word of it. lol

They could blow the whistle from now till doomsday but if even one authority on the subject denied it, you'd think the person(s) were just a few cans short of a six pack. You know it, and I know it, and that's the end of that!

Chorlton

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by undo

And, you wouldn't believe a word of it. lol

If those sources were reputable, known astronomers, then I would believe it but I know what you mean

They could blow the whistle from now till doomsday but if even one authority on the subject denied it, you'd think the person(s) were just a few cans short of a six pack. You know it, and I know it, and that's the end of that!

Like I said, In the UK there are astronomers of note whom I would believe despite any official body saying otherwise. I would of course check what was being said and why but would tend to believe an established astronomer.

I would most certainly believe those over any weirdo website also suggesting Reptilians, greys and underground wars at Dulce

johnlear

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by Chorlton

I would most certainly believe those over any weirdo website also suggesting Reptilians, greys and underground wars at Dulce

Thank you for your post Chorlton they are always appreciated. I see though that you continue to post incorrect information to make it sound even more ridiculous than it sounds in the first place if thats possible.

In the interest of factual reporting or at least as factual as we can get without reading it in the "Stars and Stripes" I would respectfully request that you quit calling the disaster that occurred at Dulce a 'war'. It was not a 'war'. It was in fact an accident.

Many use the term 'war' because it sounds more exotic as a description of the incident between the grays and Delta forces. But in fact it was an accident.

This subject is crazy enough without you foreigners coming in and trying to stir things up with misinformation. Please say hello to Virgin for me. Thanks.

zorgon

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
I did not sign up to debate whether there is mining on the moon, or there is an atmosphere on other celestial bodies.
I don’t understand what that has to do with the moon in any way, shape, or form.

Ah I see okay that is one way of not answering the question... no problem I posted the clouds in the other thread anyway...

As to what the moon has to do with secret space ships... I see you really have NOT been paying attention... The stations and cargo carries are linked to the mining operations on the moon. The stations, missing time and cargo vessels are one piece of the puzzle...

You want to deal with each issue separately thats fine... but for us to show the "big picture" as we see it, all the info is linked...

But I do not wish to patronize that site, which is why I am here at ATS. If I have to go there to read something specific, then that is fine, but I certainly don’t feel the need to hunt for that info like a needle in a haystack.

I have no problem with you not wishing to visit the site... but in that case you do not really have the right to comment on its content or structure...

The way you are pushing that site, you would almost think you owned, or made a profit off it, or something.

DOH
No kidding? Wow took you a long time to figure that one out huh? Pegasus is a non profit site for people to share ideas and find info on many alternate topics. It is and always will be non profit and we are drawing many scientist to our group... but that is irrelevant to this topic..

The Living Moon website also is non profit and all the data we post here is freely available to anyone... no memberships, no ads etc, its paid for out of my pocket..

The Living Moon was set up for collecting the data for John Lear, a good friend of mine whom I met as a result of the Moon Thread...
MANY ATS members have contributed. The site was designed to be a reference base to easily link to stuff discussed in the various threads... Threads get huge its hard to pinpoint things discussed and there is minimal space available for storing images etc... so old posts lose the images.

Living moon has all the appropriate credits, links to ATS, copy right data and links to the original sources

But yes it is John and my website...

Land of Legends is my for profit site but that is Medieval and Gallery

Anyway I would be afraid of going through it, as I don’t want to end up being redirected to the FBI’s web page 100 times an hour.

You truly are a comedian after all... maybe just stop snooping where you don't belong.

The images you posted in this thread, have mostly been fuzzy images. What these last few images have to do with the where the shuttle docked is anyone’s guess though.

I see you like to waste time pushing useless arguments.. I explained the cloud images but you say I posted fuzzy images in here... seems you need glasses... I posted drawings, text clips and documents about cargo vessels and the ATSS space station... the "fuzzy pictures" as you call them are as you say "I think that conversation is two threads down on the left.

zorgon

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by slaveearth
to me if I find so much evidence I don't have to wonder.

Thanks for those links slaveearth

And just for you a head's up... we will be showing the "Secrets of Tsiolkovski"later today in the moon thread
Wouldn't want to stray off topic here with Moon Bases

zorgon

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by Chorlton
Like I said, In the UK there are astronomers of note whom I would believe despite any official body saying otherwise. I would of course check what was being said and why but would tend to believe an established astronomer.

So if Sir Patrick Moore was involved in the Missing BBC tapes of the Apollo landing (just like NASA lost our versions)... you would believe?

So if Sir Patrick Moore was sitting at a desk looking at a photo taken by Anthony Jenkins with Kevin Kilburn pointing to the glowing blue Aristarchus Crater... you would believe?

So if Sir Patrick Moore wrote a whole section in his book "Patrick Moore on the Moon" on the Lunar Atmosphere... you would believe?

Well all those three are true... and as far as I know Sir Patrick Moore is one of Britain's most respected Astronomers... (The "Sir" proves that)

Its interesting that Patrick is also the one that asked the Apollo 11 crew about the lack of Stars on their trip... in that video that shows how excited and elated these three guys are after just completing the most historic mission of mankind

Google Video Link

So Herr Chorlton...

As we have met your criteria....

We shall now count you on the side of the Believers

Welcome to our club!

Chorlton

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 02:14 PM
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Well John it looks like Im going to have to correct you for the second time in 2 days. This is becoming a habit isnt it? It isnt me thats wrong John its you. Are you getting forgetfull or argumentative?.
I see though that even after I had to correct you yesterday you continue to post incorrect information to make it sound even more ridiculous than it sounds in the first place if thats possible.

*I* never called them the 'Dulce Wars' John I am quoting directly from many sources who call them the Dulce Wars.
I was going to post all the times I found 'Dulce Wars but it would probably fill the page. Its also strange that most reference point back to you originally calling them 'Dulce Wars as didnt you say it was you that typed them all out? How could you forget?

First Ill point you to you very own words in this very same ATS forum
www.abovetopsecret.com...:
where you said:
"Thanks Tim, your input is really appreciated on this thread. Please let us know when you have any more to contribute to the Dulce Underground Base Alien War Question"

Then What about YOUR direct reference to a 'Dulce Wars' in your 'John Lear - UFOs and Aliens edited by Branton ' ?

Here are just a few more links to 'Dulce Wars':

From Thomas Edward Costello Himself, one of the gentlemen who imagined it all.
aliens.monstrous.com...

www.thewatcherfiles.com...

www.subversiveelement.com... (edited by Branton, wasnt he a friend of yours ?? WHOOPS

www.think-aboutit.com...'UNDERGROUND.htm

www.alienshift.com...

I could go on John but I think I have proven my point
Dont bother to apologise for saying I posted false information, as you are a gentleman I know that would automatically be forthcoming.

Thanks for the post though, they always amuse me and keep me on my toes

Chorlton

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 02:25 PM
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I do love the way you take things totally out of context.
Firstly I was talking about the lack of respected Astronomers suggesting Mining operations on the moon or of Secret space stations.
You have not presented any

"So if Sir Patrick Moore was sitting at a desk looking at a photo taken by Anthony Jenkins with Kevin Kilburn pointing to the glowing blue Aristarchus Crater... you would believe? "

Yes I would believe you had a picture of Sir Patrick Moore sitting with Anthony Jenkins pointing to a picture of Aristarchus Crater. "
BUT
Are you insinuating you know what they were discussing"

"So if Sir Patrick Moore wrote a whole section in his book "Patrick Moore on the Moon" on the Lunar Atmosphere... you would believe?"

"Yes I would believe Sir Patrick Moore wrote a whole section in his book "Patrick Moore on the Moon" on the Lunar Atmosphere"

But what has that got to do with Moon Mining or Secret Space stations or are you, as I believe, grasping at straws, as nothing you have posted is relevant to what I posted.

johnlear

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Chorlton

Thanks for the post though, they always amuse me and keep me on my toes

And thank you Chorlton. Your continued diversion of the thread topic is noted.

Chorlton

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Chorlton

Thanks for the post though, they always amuse me and keep me on my toes

And thank you Chorlton. Your continued diversion of the thread topic is noted.

And thank you John, but there was no diversions of the thread topic. I was referring directly to your accusation that I was Lieing and correcting your mistakes, its happening a lot lately. I hope you arent getting a chill?

Also your one line reply is also noted

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Matyas

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
So who exactly is agreeing with this theory anymore besides the three or four of you from livingmoon.com?

I've been thinking about this, so I decided to leave because I don't want to look like a fool for not following the crowd.

Or what one person says the groupthink is.

Jus' kidding! Gotcha though, didn't I? Wouldn't that have been a victory?

Even if it is true, the civil rights movement started with a few people. I am sure many thought it was bunkiss.

I have some of Dr. Tesla's work. He was a communicatin' with "aliens". Almost over 100 years ago. 'Course we all know that he was wacko too. That's why we can control electricity to the level we do. No big change there, right?

As to "black" space stations, the issue is as much a nonstarter as what the real color the Moon is. I am sure a few exist, but if we started pointing our telescopes at the Lagrange points we may be surprised by what we find. Why not?