Patriotism is mind control

We are all puppets of Government who lie to us. We must draw together internationally as citizens and demand peace for all. We the citizens of the world should dictate our own future. We have for too long allowed government to act in complete defiance of the people's will.

Patriotism is a govenrment tool to control you.

I dare you to read Emma Goldman on What is Patriotism. Simply google it and learn. Eyes and mind wide open.

Citizens of the world join in peace to the exclusion of our corrupt colluding dishonest murdering merciless governnments. Put the past behind - let's concentrate on today for a better future. Please.

Ahem, firstly, even if we had this globalism that you seem to be wishing for, what do you honestly think is going to happen? Do you honestly believe that the powers that be are just going to sloth off? Be for real.

All globalism does is leave the door wide open for a one world dictator, nothing less, nothing more. Globalism at least in and of itself, not a bad idea, but those who push it do not have the best intentions in mind.

Two of my favourite quotes on patriotism.

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. (Oscar Wilde)

To him in whom love dwells, the whole world is but one family. (Buddha)

Originally posted by yanchek

To him in whom love dwells, the whole world is but one family. (Buddha)

This is the kind of thing that the powers that be use to persuade the masses that globalism is a good idea. I am certain that Buddha didn't realize that there would be the power mongers that there currently are in the world today. If he had, I seriously doubt he would have made such a comment.

I appreciate your comments on globalism and agree to a certain extent. I had meant to point more towards the idea of 'patriotism' being an enemy of peace. did you read emma Goldman's paper. I found it amazingly relevant today even though it was written during the first world war.

In Buddha's days there were also power and warmongers, warlords and conquerors that wanted to unite/subdue a world by a sword, so I think he knew exactly what he was talking about.

After all He was the Enlightened One.

Belfast, no, I haven't read her paper. Maybe I should, but alarms and whistles just go off when people start implying that nations should lose sovereignty and that there shouldn't be borders, et cetera. I personally don't think it's a good idea at all.

As far as patriotism is concerned, I don't think there is enough of it. Quite honestly, as an American, looking at the population here, I don't think we will be the "land of the free" even twenty five years from now. Because of the lack of patriotism in this country, I don't see anyone willing to fight for this country so that it might remain free.

Please have a skim read now and let me know if you still disagree. 'To remain free' suggests US citizens are free. I believe freedom in the US to be an illusion. Groomed from birth by television and then the state schools' 'sketchy' version of history.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to say that Europe is any better - but freedom ? Not a chance.



you are free. I

Okay, one of her first remarks was this

since the place of play has been turned into factory, mill, and mine, while deafening sounds of machinery have replaced the music of the birds.

Emma

So, it must be realized that she was a naturalist. There is nothing wrong with that, but it certainly needs to be understood, if one is going to approach her opinion objectively.

She goes on to state,

Patriotism assumes that our globe is divided into little spots, each one surrounded by an iron gate.

Yeah, it's called SOVEREIGNTY!!

Another thing is that she wants to bring economics into the issue. Now, economics can be brought into any issue. There are hundreds of pork barrel spending projects that aren't criticized that have absolutely nothing to do with a nation's welfare.

There was a comment that she made that I wholeheartedly agree with, and it does make sense when one looks at the present condition of the world:

It is owing to the dread of the growing discontent of the masses and of the international spirit among the workers. It is to meet the internal enemy that the Powers of various countries are preparing themselves; an enemy, who, once awakened to consciousness, will prove more dangerous than any foreign invader.

Well, I have to say that from what I read of her paper, much of what she said is indeed correct. However, at least to me, what she said had less to do with patriotism and more to do with the elite's stranglehold on power.

Yes, but cowardice is purely visceral.

If you are not willing to die for the nation that allows you the kinds of freedom that the US allows, then you really don't deserve to live.

I'd say that in about two generations, the value of patriotism will be abundantly clear to a nation of subjects.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

I'd say that in about two generations, the value of patriotism will be abundantly clear to a nation of subjects.

Grady, as I stated, here in the United states, I'd be surprised if we have the freedoms we currently have 25 years from now. Honestly, with this group of youngsters that are coming up, I don't see any defenders of the luxuries that they so willfully take advantage of.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Yes, but cowardice is purely visceral.

If you are not willing to die for the nation that allows you the kinds of freedom that the US allows, then you really don't deserve to live.

Patriotism comes from pride. Great courage comes from spiritual faith.

When we look at patriotism as a virtue (and I think this discussion is all about), we come to ethical paradox. You see, if you are patriotic, and your enemy is equal patriotic (the enemy is also virtuous), why kill him?

Belfast Lawyer, can you define patriotism as you mean it in your first post? That would help me to formulate my response. Because it means different things to different people. Thanks.

Fascism = Patriotism = Mind control
Fascism

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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Grady, as I stated, here in the United states, I'd be surprised if we have the freedoms we currently have 25 years from now. Honestly, with this group of youngsters that are coming up, I don't see any defenders of the luxuries that they so willfully take advantage of.

Interestig statement. For me this is kind of natural process. To support my claim I'll borrow the words of Sir Alex Fraser Tyler, Scottish jurist and historian.

The average age of world's greatest civilizaitions has been 200 years. this nations have progressed trough this sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from great courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence back again to bondage (The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic, c. 1799)

You are exactly right belfast, it is not the people of various countries that want to kill us, it is our retarded governments. When people globally realize this we will have a "great awakening" on our hands. Fighting all the propaganda is hard but it must be done until we win. And I think we are winning. There are more and more awake people every day largely due to the freedom of speech on the internet.

Great thread, and you are right on the money.

There is nothing wrong with Patriotism. Being a patriot is having allegiance to the land that bore you and the land that you know and love.

Now when things screw up in that land of Oz, you can change your mind and stop waving the flag for awhile- until things straighten out. If they do not straighten out, then its up to you to continue being a patriot and fight for your freedoms and the way of life that we knew and with some intervention and many deaths (I would imagine) we will once again have.

I am a very passionate Patriot. THIS IS WHY I GET SO ANGRY AT THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS.
Those who claim to be patriots but do nothing, say nothing and just sit around for the other shoe to fall, those are not real PATRIOTS. They may claim to be, but they are not.

SO, if you dont like whats going on, SPEAK WHILE YOU CAN. Because beleive me, there will come a point in time soon you will not be able to.

Be a Patriot and stay a patriot. Fight for your country if not with arms with WORDS. Express your dissatisfaction. Tell the world.
Shout from the rooftops: I am a Patriot and I am not going to take this crap anymore!!!!!

There is a distinct difference between patriotism and national pride. Patriotism is too often blind acceptance of what government does through policies which rarely, if ever, are in the interests of the general public. It was patriotism that put the likes of a Pat Tillman in uniform, it was national pride and the awakening he went through that made him speak out. Patriotism is a tool and it is wielded 'at' us regularly.

This new 'patriotism' is not patriotism at all, it's mass media patriotism, encouraging the herd to wave their flags and say the correct slogans when appropriate.

Good thread!

Great post, dgtempe! I agree with you. That's why I asked for a definition of what the OP means by patriotism. Because I consider myself a patriot of the very serious variety in that I uphold the Constitution and firmly believe in the values upon which this country was founded. But currently, we are so far from that!

On The Colbert Report, Anne-Marie Slaughter was promoting her book, The Idea that is America and she spoke of this inconsistency in who we claim to be and who we really are.

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American patriotism is grounded not only in our love for our country itself, but also in our love for the values our country stands for—of the idea that is America, no matter how far short we may fall in practice. It is the idea that knits us together in our vast diversity. It is the idea that our soldiers fight for. It is the idea that all patriotic citizens stand for, even against our own government. It is an idea that ultimately belongs to all the world’s peoples.

The Idea That is America reminds us of the essential principles on which our nation was established: liberty, democracy, equality, justice, tolerance, humility, and faith. These are the values that have shaped our history and that bind us together as a nation.
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