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Originally posted by johnlear
Thanks Jack for your continued even handed and informed approach to this subject. You have shown more patience than most with those who would like to participate in the investigation but are limited, for whatever reason, to the screen in front of them. Please keep up the excellent work.
Originally posted by Jack Tripper
Bottom line, it was PURE COINCIDENCE that the NTSB animation seemed to match the eyewitnesses. And it was only natural that we would form CIT and call PFT our "brother" organization since we both focused on cutting edge information about the Pentagon.
Originally posted by Boone 870
Jack Tripper
Are you saying that if the witness accounts come from the MSM their testimony is void? I just read around 20 witness accounts that directly contradict the north of the Citgo via the airplane hitting light poles.
Originally posted by nick7261
How could you NOT use the NTSB animation to corroborate your witnesses?
Father McGraw said he was sitting in slow-moving traffic in the left lane of Rt. 27 around 9:35 a.m. when "without warning a plane passed 20 feet over the cars, clipping a light pole," before plowing into the Pentagon.
Originally posted by Jack Tripper
To Arabasque:
You mean your lame pathetic deceptive debunk attempt?
Post one account that directly contradicts the north side claim.
You can't do it.
All you can do is copy and paste Eric Bart's mainstream media published witness list!
Sorry but that is NOT research.
You are a blogger/compiler.
Not an investigator.
[edit on 6-6-2007 by Jack Tripper]
Originally posted by Jack Tripper
I can promise you that we ARE legitimate and that there is no "hoax" involved with our thorough, hard-hitting, investigative research.
Originally posted by Jack Tripper
[...]
As [Nick] looks into our research further he will realize the true nature of the incredible smoking gun we have reported.
He was quite correct when he said:
"If what you and Rob have is legitimate, it would break open the entire 9/11 story."
I can promise you that we ARE legitimate and that there is no "hoax" involved with our thorough, hard-hitting, investigative research.
Our research is based solely on hard evidence that we have personally obtained via true on site investigative journalistic efforts.
Originally posted by Arabesque
Originally posted by Jack Tripper
To Arabasque:
You mean your lame pathetic deceptive debunk attempt?
Post one account that directly contradicts the north side claim.
You can't do it.
All you can do is copy and paste Eric Bart's mainstream media published witness list!
Sorry but that is NOT research.
You are a blogger/compiler.
Not an investigator.
[edit on 6-6-2007 by Jack Tripper]
I find it interesting how you decide what constitutes "research" since you ignore your own witnesses and can't find a single witness to directly support a flyover.
To me that sounds like "make believe fantasy" --not research. Researchers actually use the data they get--they don't ignore their own evidence. How many witnesses have you found who said something other than a plane hit the Pentagon, or retracted their story that the plane hit the Pentagon?
By the way, why don't you explain to me the motive for flying over the Pentagon?
Please enlighten me why the Government would be stupid enough to fly the plane close to the Pentagon, fly it over, and risk making themselves look guilty when they could fly it into the Pentagon and make the hijackers look guilty?
What motive would there be to do that? I'm waiting.
And while you're at it, you can call all the evidence I quoted suspect, but where is your evidence? Explain to me WHY the government wouldn't even fake a list of hijackers good enough, using the names of people who are still ALIVE and then waste all of the effort to fake over 100 eyewitness statements and none who claim a plane flew over?
The government couldn't even hide the fact that there were bombs in the Oklahoma City Bombing (witnesses REPORTED that) and you're going around claiming that people wouldn't notice a plane fly over the Pentagon when it's surrounded by large highways? Good one.
Do I have to write it in crayon for you? I'll try and write very thick as my crayon's aren't very "bright" as you say.
Originally posted by Caustic Logic
Originally posted by Jack Tripper
[...]
As [Nick] looks into our research further he will realize the true nature of the incredible smoking gun we have reported.
He was quite correct when he said:
"If what you and Rob have is legitimate, it would break open the entire 9/11 story."
I can promise you that we ARE legitimate and that there is no "hoax" involved with our thorough, hard-hitting, investigative research.
Our research is based solely on hard evidence that we have personally obtained via true on site investigative journalistic efforts.
Put like that it's hard to argue with. You went somewhere. You interviewed people and got it on camera. They said what they said. You gathered the data. It was an effort. You were hassled. If this is all your work rests on, then I'd have to disagree with Nick's assessment of its import.
but I do recall seeing some pictures on a screen, some animated GIFs and whatnot that showed some stuff that I doubt was directly observed "in the field."
I'd believe your witnesses were all somehow simultaneously misconstrued, wrong, led, bribed, lying, whatever, however strongly you'd like to put it, than to add any credence or silent ascent to the overall overflight theory that NO WITNESSES SUPPORT that you spun from this and that contradicts every piece of evidence I've looked at. You have the evidence, but it has OTHER, far more rational explanations, than the "OBVIOUS" conclusion you all have reached.
It's all in what you have DONE with that data that the doubts lie. You do show a suspiciously flawed logic.
That is all for now.
ETA: Echoing Nick's thanks for the background info. When I'm ready to learn more and figure stuff out these will be valuable. There's plenety more in the PentaCon forum, interesting stuff all when it's all up-front. I like evidence, (David Icke on Lloyd's back seat?)
Originally posted by selfless
Jack Tripper,
While i appreciate your efforts and all,
I think you could use a more polite approach...
Sorry if I come off a bit strong but they deserve it and I won't let up as long as they continue with their ignorant foolish attempts to cast doubt on our incredibly important work.
Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Jack Tripper
Sorry if I come off a bit strong but they deserve it and I won't let up as long as they continue with their ignorant foolish attempts to cast doubt on our incredibly important work.
Jack, let me respectfully request you get a grip. There is no reason to use the strong language you are using. The people that really matter already know you are correct. The guys you are yelling aren't worth it.
Let me strongly suggest a more tactful approach. All of the charges you made are correct but there is no need to yell or use the strong language.
You can accomplish a lot more by using a more measured approach. We have a long ways to go and there is no reason to use up all your energy at this point. Thanks.
They need to abandon their campaign against us and our research or they will continue to be publicly exposed for what they really are.
Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Jack Tripper
They need to abandon their campaign against us and our research or they will continue to be publicly exposed for what they really are.
They are not going to abandon anything. Calm, cool, measured response will do the trick. Remember, these guys are not the true enemies. The true enemies are infinitely smarter. Don't waste your ammo.