Yshu Ha-Natzri name of Jesus???

Yesu ha-Notzri is the anti christians jews' name for Jesus.
Yeshu is acronym of Yemhu smu w'Zikro ( hebrew for May God wipe out his name and his remembrance)
this name was given by jews to all their enemies from themselves , like false prophets or even worse pretenders to be Messiah or God himself.

After the supposed death of Jesus in 32 AD the jews were very happy for some time to get rid of Jesus, However three years after Jesus the disasters started pouring on the jews one after the other, starting by the appontment of a very arrogant Roman Governer who wanted to put the Picture of Caesar inside the temple, jews begged him but he kept killing them by the hundreds, it got worse till the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
The Rabbis intructed the survivers of the jews to pray a before bed prayer to kill the christians who somehow survived the massacre and suddenly their numbers began to equal the jews. For while the Christians were being tortured by the jews to death, the after math of the Roman massacre that the christians started taking revenge on the jews.
So when ever hear a jew mention the word "Yshu" he would hit him on the head and ask him "what did you say his name again?"
the jew out of fear would reply "Yshua" instead of 'Yshu" of course Yshu is kind of a spell ( Satanic spell) against Jesus, while Yeshua is the name of Joshua the great hero of the Jews( the servant or adopted son of Moses).

As for the second part of the name Ha-Notzri it is made of two parts Ha and Notzri:
Notzri means a person who is being given by his parents to the temple as a kind of slave to God ( ie such man can not marry or do any thing but work for the temple and pray for the people and memorize the scriptures and transcribe them.
Mary mother of Jesus was one of those and automatically Jesus was a Notzri.
While Notzri as a titlewas a great thing at the time of Moses since it implies being descendent of Aaron, and part of the Zadokim high priest class, Notzari was even a speciall class among Zadokim (Cohenites--lineage of Aaron), but by the time of Jesus (1200 years after Moses) the Levites were very hated by the jews because the jews considered them responsible for Babylonian diaspora. Many levites did not return, and Juda the Maccabi usurped the office of High Priest of the temple to himself and his posterity ( from the Levitic Zadokites), Jews also stopped giving the religious tax to the Levites enough, that Levites became very poor and needy)
For this, Levites accepted that jews from other tribes ( Juda, Efraim (joseph) to become scribes ( a job only for levites usually by the Law of Moses ), from this inexperienced new class came out the pharaisees who were a mixture of little levites but mainlyfrom Juda).
However the orthodox levites who refused to be corrupted worked in secret to maintain the bible ( transcribing) and they became opposed to the pharaisees ( who as the new scribes class accepted taking money directly from people and became well taken care ).

Ha means Head of , so when you say Ha-Notzari, you mean head of the Notzari class ( a special class in the highly reputable Zadokites the children of Aaron( reputable but very poor and outside the temple).
Jesus was a Notzari ( given to the temple) However there is a deragotary shout at donkeys to keep them going "Ha"
So what the pharaisees ( the proto Rabbis) made fun of the memory of the departed Jesus by calling him Ha-Notzari which is supposed to mean ( head of Zadokites ) to mean something else ( Ha-poor man) since notzari were very very poor and miserable ( levites were not allowed to work or own or inherit-Notzari were moreover not allowed to marry or relax like other levites).

However the Christians were not bothered by the second part of the word of "Yshu Ha-Notzari" and they called themselves Nazarim in respect of Jesus being Notzari and to retaliate back at their tormentors the pharaisiees.

Yshua rather Yshu is not a curse so christians adopt.

I've never heard the theory, but it sounds as though it could make sense. The only problem is, you have no links to prove/disprove your theory.

The interesting thing about the whole story is what the high priest said:
"There were many others claiming to be the Messiahs, after they died their followers all forgot about him quickly. If we kill this one and he is not the Messiahs, everything will be ok, but if he is the Messiahs, we're going to have a problem... "
(Paraphrase not quote!)

reg,
Sammy

Toledoyj Yeshu" was such book translated as "generations of Yesu" it is believed it was authored 33 AD a year after Jesus . In this book, authors changed the time to King Yuhannas 150 BC , but it is same story and they mention in it that pharaisies sent a man Simeon to change the riligion and separate them from the jews ( Paul,)!!

Here's another thread...

That discusses this:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is anti-semitic, anti-jewish nonesense.

Some of it might have root in the truth, but its been twisted and distorted, and anti semitic folks tales were added by thread poster.

For example, how do you know the Jews were instructed to pray for the death of Christians before bedtime during the years of the Temple destruction? Thats utterly ludicrous. Thats like a modern day radical muslim praying to Allah for Death to Israel / Death to America. As you may notice, only a small portion actually do that, the rest find it insulting and blasphemous to wish death upon other Monotheists, however much you disagree in theological ways, in the name of God.

I dont know if that prayer was said, but this is the first i've heard of it and i love to submerge myself deeply into Judaic and early Christian history, as well as Antiquity. And i've never heard anything close to this.

And the name that Christians who wish to honor "Jesus" by his real name will say Yah'shua, or Yeshua. Sure, there may be similarities so Yshu, or Yeishu, but its also similar to a hundred other hebrew words with various meanings.

And it's not Ha-Notzri, it's Ha-Meshiach, Yeshua Ha-Meshiach.

This means Jesus the Messiah. I prefer this term, I think its the most accurate reflection of his true name.

And Yeshua was simply the man's first name, theres no lame anti-semitic conspiracy to it, im sorry.

And guess what? When he returns, no one shall know his name, it will be completely new, so sayeth John of Patmos / the Divine.

[edit on 5/12/2007 by runetang]

I read the story about the night jewish prayer concerning Jesus in the book History of the Jews in the Public Library written by a jewish person who lived in Germany early twentieth centry.
The name Yshu is acronym of Y Sh and U three letters of a curse word invented by the jews to label or name any person who was a fake profet or a fake messiah.
Since Jesus according to Jews claimed being God , so jews according to Law of Moses are prohibited to mention his name !!!
so they gave the curse name Yshu and the stupid christians took the curse name and translated to Jesus continuing the apellation against Jesus.
There are hundreds of places in jewish correspondance from that time and in the Talmud naming him Yshu Ha-Notzri.
In the same book I refered the author said that pharaisees used to make fun of him when they talked about him after his departure as Ha-Nazarah. He said the meaning of that is Ha deragotary extension like the call on a donkey while it means in original Gigh or head of . Nazarah because he was Nazarah ie one of those people who were given to the temple for life ( levites but have to be decendent of Aaron to become Nazarh.
The word Nazarah continues in Islamic traditions when a person give Nazarah ( a sheep or a sacrifise) in different occasions or if wants something bed from god like a child or son.
Some christians give nazarah to god that they will call their son Ahmad or Muhammad if god gave him a son, and many christians have the name Ahmad Muhammad or Abdullah for that reason only!( middle east traditions).
I ve seen one christian by the name and he explained to me why his name was Ahmad.

Perhaps HaNotzri (the Notzrite) could be meaning the one from Nazareth?

Or Nazirite (like Samson) who doesn't cut his hair, drink alcohol, etc.

Jesus did not cut his hair and that is a nother sighn that he was a notzari ( sacrificed to the temple.
Don't get me wrong, being Notzari was the one of the highest titles in Judea in the time of Aaron and for hundreds of years later. it was a privilage and what do you want more than being decendent from Aaron? what is higher to be decendent of Aaron or of David?
who is higher Aaron or David?
the answer is Aaron. no doubt.
But at the time of Jesus poor people were not respected!
So Jesus was not respected only in the eyes of the orthodox church going jews.
Pharaisees were usurpers of the positions of Levites, they even interpreted scriptures illegally. This is was the job of the Levites the specialist in scripture and Law by inheritance. pharaisees were illegally doing these things, that is why Jesus said listen to pharaisees but don't do like they do.
Because pharaisees were the only ones authorized by the government ( illegal tself also) to do these duties, while the legal levites headed by John the Baptist ( son of Zacharia) and then by jesus himself the highest authority among the Levites and in all of Judea but also a messenger of God directly ( the STAR, the messiah of all times)

Also Nazerath the city was built after Jesus by the Romans. Jesus did not even live in Naserah but in a nearby village!, so why would they call him by the name of a city that he did not live in?
and was built after him?!
I can check about this book in the public library if you insist. I am sure there is in the title (History and Jews or jewish, and the author from Germany and the date early 1900.
so it is easy to find it yourself. it is in the first pages that the story of the curse prayer is mentioned.
In the book also the author mentions that Jesus was the only person known as Rabbi, but jews decided to name the pharaisee graduates from a school built in Caesarea on the coast near Ashkelon allowed by Hadrian after he destroyed Bar Kohba ( which literally means son of bitch) but one famous rabbi said he is not bar kohba but bar Kosba ( meaning son of the star implying he is the messiah.
The coins struck in his time ( Bar Kohba also shows a star over the temple! as if he was that star that appeared at the time of the destruction of the temple in 70 AD but Bar Kohba interpret it as a sigh of his coming few years later. Bar Kohba killed and suffered more jews than the Romans did sadly. and the rabbi ( sage ) who named him bar Kosba is a very famous Rabbi in the jewish religion of these days ( one of the official historic rabbies) he lived around 120 AD. I think may be his name is Gamlayel but not sure.

The name is: Yashua
Meeaning "Ya saves"
Yah, being short for Yahweh, the name of God.

So look at some of the other hebrew names for more understanding on where the names come from and what they mean.

Y’sha’yahu = Isaiah
Yah is mighty

Y’rmeYah =Jeremiah
Yah sends!

Obd’Yah = Obadaiah
Servant of Yah

Nhm’Yah = Nehemiah
Comfort of Yah

Tsphn’Yah = Zephaniah
Yah has Hidden

Zkr’Yah = Zechariah
Yah Remembers

Mlk’Yah = Malachi
Messenger of Yah

Mtt’th’Yahu = Matthew
Gift of Yah

Yahrushalayin = Jerusalem
Righteous set apart city of Yah

Yahushua = Jesus
Yah Saves

Originally posted by Djarums
Perhaps HaNotzri (the Notzrite) could be meaning the one from Nazareth?

Or Nazirite (like Samson) who doesn't cut his hair, drink alcohol, etc.

The Notzrim were a Heretical Jewish sect that predated Christianity by 100 years. Yeshu Ha Notzri is not Jesus or the founder of the Notzrim sect. It is not related to Nazirite. The Notzrim were one of the original Gnostic sects.

The Mandaeans believe that followers of John the Baptist were the Notzrim. The Mandaeans are an ancient Gnostic sect that believes John the Baptist was the Ture Christ.

So many early Christians were converts from the Notzrim that the Jews came to identify the Christians as Notzrim. Even today Notzrim is the Hebrew term for those of Christian faith.

The word itself is related to pottery. I can see now that there will be a day where people will think CRuSTaCeaN and CHRiSTiaN are somehow related.


[edit on 18/5/07 by MikeboydUS]

No No Notzarim were a jewish class of people since Aaron. If you look at TV and see in Israel there are people with long hair who work in Emergency vehicles! these were supposed to be the Notzarim ( Levites)
Jesus was a notzarim ( notice the A)
He was known to the people as Jesus the Notzari.
The jews named him an evil name (YSU) which means ( may his name and memory be blotted) a curse name (vodoo name if you like).
Christians when they found out about that changed Ysu to Ysua( where the last a is not vocal but a deep pharengeal constant letter) which is the name of Joshua ( who became the leader after Moses ) ( a good name that is) However the real name of Jesus is Esa ( meaning the man of Guardian Star), The guardian star is in Ursu Major constillation it stays in the sky all night long while other stars fade behind the horizon at some point during night.

That is acheivement of the prophecy in Joshua book about the STAR ( a man, Messiah) coming at the end of times ( for Joshua times)

Originally posted by adnanmuf
No No Notzarim were a jewish class of people since Aaron. If you look at TV and see in Israel there are people with long hair who work in Emergency vehicles! these were supposed to be the Notzarim ( Levites)
Jesus was a notzarim ( notice the A)
He was known to the people as Jesus the Notzari.
The jews named him an evil name (YSU) which means ( may his name and memory be blotted) a curse name (vodoo name if you like).
Christians when they found out about that changed Ysu to Ysua( where the last a is not vocal but a deep pharengeal constant letter) which is the name of Joshua ( who became the leader after Moses ) ( a good name that is) However the real name of Jesus is Esa ( meaning the man of Guardian Star), The guardian star is in Ursu Major constillation it stays in the sky all night long while other stars fade behind the horizon at some point during night.

That is acheivement of the prophecy in Joshua book about the STAR ( a man, Messiah) coming at the end of times ( for Joshua times)

The Notzrim and the Nazrites are two different groups of people. Yeshu Ha Notzri lived around one hundred years before Christ. The Christians aka Notzrim get their name from that sect that Yeshu who again is not Jesus was a member of. So many Notzrim converted to Christianity that it was identified with them.

Please look at some Gnostic history. The Notzrim are one of the original Gnostic sects and forerunners of the Mandaeans.

Remeber this Joshua/Yeshua was a popular Hebrew name. Also remember just because words have the letters NTRZM it doesn't mean they are all related if you move the vowels around.

On top of that I would argue that Jesus was never a Nazirite. He drank alcohol for starters. There isnt any evidence from the Gospel that he had long hair. Paul specificaly states that men should not have long hair.

[edit on 18/5/07 by MikeboydUS]

How long is long?
Yeshua and his hair length is not really something we can measure if you know what I mean
If you can please tell me , I am interested

Originally posted by junglelord
How long is long?
Yeshua and his hair length is not really something we can measure if you know what I mean
If you can please tell me , I am interested

Paul said men were not supposed to have long hair. Jews in that time period wore their hair short like the Greeks and Romans. Realistically his hair was likley no longer than depictions of hair in Greek and Roman art of the time. I have seen Greek Orthodox depictions of Jesus with short dark curly hair. Those depictions are quite old, much older than Aryan Jesus or Black Jesus used in American protestant churches.

so no Hebrew men had long hair in the time of Yeshua, you sure?

Originally posted by junglelord
so no Hebrew men had long hair in the time of Yeshua, you sure?

It would not of been common. Nazirites would of have had long hair but they would be very few. The long haired Jesus is a European invention in my opinion and there is evidence to support that. I think if anyone went back in time to see the actual Jesus they may be bit upset. The likely hood of a Mediterranean Jew in the 1st century having straight, light hair and light eyes would be very very low.

Popular science did a study into what Jesus realistically looked like.
www.popularmechanics.com...

The real Jesus would scare paranoid Americans at airports and on airlines.

[edit on 19/5/07 by MikeboydUS]

adnan, these descendants of Aaron, that were 'sacrificed' as you say to the Temple, are you sure their name was Notzri?

and are you sure they were 'sacrificed'?

because here, Kohanim is the name used for descendants of Aaron who were visibly beautiful and had to pass certain tests of the physical appearance.

and they werent sacrificed to the temple, they were workers and caretakers of the temple, they were a priesthood who performed certain rites and ceremonies that only "ritually pure" Jews could perform. and the tradition was that they had to be descended from Aaron. Thus the last name Kohen, Kohan, Cohen, Cohan, or any other variant in modern times could shed light on ones own family name, and where it came from in history. But having the lastname Kohen does not automaticly make you a descendant of Aaron, thats where it gets tricky.

Yeshua was not a Nazarine?
John the Baptist was probably a Essene from Qumran.
Yeshua may have well been a Essene...they had long hair

what I find funny as some theorize it would be "Unholy" to have long hair and be a man.


[edit on 19-5-2007 by junglelord]

Originally posted by junglelord
Yeshua was not a Nazarine?
John the Baptist was probably a Essene from Qumran.
Yeshua may have well been a Essene...they had long hair

what I find funny as some theorize it would be "Unholy" to have long hair and be a man.

[edit on 19-5-2007 by junglelord]

I didnt say it was unholy, I was pointing out that Paul in the New Testament preaches against long hair on men. I also pointed out that Jesus/Issus/Joshua/Yeshua of Bethlehem could not of been a Nazirite due to the consumption of alcohol. He also went into Lazarus' tomb, being around the dead or graveyards is forbidden to Nazirites.

It is implied in the Gospel that John the Baptist was a Nazirite. By the angel annoucing before his birth that he would never drink alcohol. It is unlikely he was from Qumran though. Essenes and Nazirites are two different groups of people and scholars arnt even sure the people at qumran were essenes.

I highly doubt Jesus was an Essene. The Essenes were against marriage and did not like women. Jospehus claims another order of Essenes allowed marriage. Josephus also says that the Essenes believed anointing with oil was defilement. I cant find anywhere in any ancient text where essenes dont cut their hair. Jospehus and Philo mention numerous practices of the Essenes but nothing about hair. The only place I can find people saying they didnt cut their hair are various New Age groups claiming to be True Essenes.



[edit on 19/5/07 by MikeboydUS]