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Originally posted by marg6043
Is the Republican Party taken over by religious rights, while the corporate side of it is just letting the people in the nation, fight the religious cultish part of the party, while they reap the benefits of working within the party for personal and elistic purposes, while keeping the population ignorant?
...
Now my question is and will always be, is the true agenda of the Republican Party elite to put a front of a religious agenda while hiding the corporate take over?
Originally posted by cpdaman
the truth is we don't know we just want to beleive we do, especially if our belief systems depend on it.
[edit on 6-5-2007 by cpdaman]
Eight out of 10 Americans believe God guided creation in some capacity.
46 percent think God created man in his present form sometime in the past 10,000 years,
36 percent say man developed over millions of years from lesser life forms, but God guided the process.
Only 13 percent of Americans think mankind evolved with no divine intervention.
Originally posted by RANT
Sen. Sam Brownback, Gov. Mike Huckabee and Rep. Tom Tancredo think something along the lines of over two-thirds of 2004 Bush voters
This poll was conducted among a nationwide random sample of 885 adults interviewed by telephone November 18-21, 2004. There were 795 registered voters. The error due to sampling could be plus or minus three percentage points for results based on all adults and all registered voters.
the geological record is pretty much just God's effort to get on MTV's "Punk'ed."
Reading this is like watching paint dry (but somebody had to do it)
8.4.2 Historical and Scientific Research. Superintendents, historians, scientists, and interpretive staff are responsible for ensuring that park interpretive and educational programs and media are accurate and reflect current scholarship…Questions often arise round the presentation of geological, biological, and evolutionary processes. The interpretive and educational treatment used to explain the natural processes and history of the Earth must be based on the best scientific evidence available, as found in scholarly sources that have stood the test of scientific peer review and criticism. The facts, theories, and interpretations to be used will reflect the thinking of the scientific community in such fields as biology, geology, physics, astronomy, chemistry, and paleontology. Interpretive and educational programs must refrain from appearing to endorse religious beliefs explaining natural processes. Programs, however, may acknowledge or explain other explanations of natural processes and events.
I guess the political question would be, how can frontrunners McCain and Goul's possibly hope to lead such a nation of bone jarringly dumb ghost hunters if they aren't as voodoo obsessed as most of America?
Are two-thirds of the GOP hopefuls too smart for America? Or has something changed since 2004?
The facts certainly haven't.
I see it's high time to revive this forum, thanks to the GOP hopefuls that want to lead this nation.
Originally posted by Rren
You're not an atheist by any chance, are ya? Didn't come across at all in any of your posts.
Originally posted by Rren
Why not title it: "7 out of 10 candidates for POTUS accept evolution. Hooray scienceTM!"
Originally posted by Rren
For those who love polls... or those who pander to those that do: The Washington Times (re: Gallup Polls) 1001 citizens, with a margin for error of +- 2%, determined the following:
Eight out of 10 Americans believe God guided creation in some capacity.
46 percent think God created man in his present form sometime in the past 10,000 years,
36 percent say man developed over millions of years from lesser life forms, but God guided the process.
Only 13 percent of Americans think mankind evolved with no divine intervention.
Originally posted by RANT
Nope. Pre-seminary. Perpetually.
An advisor told me once that the highest dropout rate among Christian Scholars was among the A students. The C students, however, go on to make GREAT flock leaders.
They can speak of the mystery of the word with authenticity. Those that can't get past reality, history, the constant evolution of the 'unchanging word" and the Council of Nicaea need not apply.
Back on topic. The GOP has a fundemental problem here. It's obvious (at least to the A students), but then again there are none so blind as those who will not see.
Originally posted by RANT
Originally posted by Rren
Why not title it: "7 out of 10 candidates for POTUS accept evolution. Hooray scienceTM!"
Because even though that would be a respectable "C" grade, and most likely the GOP high bar, it's still a big, fat...
...to the "C" student base that each of these clowns need to win.
See the problem? I'm certainly enjoying it.
Originally posted by RANT
EXACTLY! And all the frontrunners of the GOP just joined the minority. Don't think I'm the only one that noticed. Trust me, all those post-apocolyptic doomsday cults Bush funds noticed.
Originally posted by marg6043
My daughter is graduating with two majors on Biology and she has high expectancy on research but she said that the whole biology program is under attack all the time at the University she is at.
They have their own pro activist group call students for stem cell research. As everything fundamentalist target the ignorance of the population to get the support their need.
Originally posted by Rren
Bored. This bores me,
~Rren
Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN)
Bachmann, an Evangelical Lutheran, and self-professed "fool for Christ," ran for Congress because God—and her husband—wanted her to. The representative publicly credited her campaign to her submission to her husband, who was channeling God's wishes for her.
Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO)
According to Representative Musgrave, "Government doesn't have all the answers." Rather, she asserts, "Jesus Christ is the answer to every problem we face in our country today." And according to Musgrave, she has played an important part in narrowing the gap between the federal government and Jesus. How important? Musgrave has been the House leader of the effort to pass a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, an endeavor she views to be "the most important issue we face today."
Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO)
Tancredo is best known as a hard-charging crusader against illegal immigration who labeled Miami as a "third-world country" and charged Mexico with aiding and abetting an invasion of America. And while he's fixed his long-shot presidential campaign almost entirely around this hot-button issue, he doesn't actually think illegal immigration is the biggest problem facing America today. According to Tancredo, it's only an "exacerbating factor" in an epic "clash of civilizations" that's currently taking place between Christianity and other religions of the world.
The former Catholic turned Evangelical believes America is a fortress for Anglo-Protestant values that is under attack by "multiculturalism" and radical Islam, which is "the most serious foe of Christendom."
Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-NC)
In 1995, Mike McIntyre received a powerful signal that it was time to run for Congress. And that signal was a mail package from an Evangelical minister who believes God wants Christians to take over the federal government. Just this past March, McIntyre helped announce the creation of a new Prayer Caucus in Congress, asking all Americans to pray for five minutes a week so that a 24-7 "prayer wall" could be built around the United States.
Rep. Jo Ann Davis (R-VA)
After Fox News and Bill O'Reilly started airing concerns about the growing secularization of the Christmas season, Rep. Davis led the congressional charge in the so-called "War on Christmas." By introducing House Resolution 579, she signaled an end to the days where Christmas-haters could stage assaults on public celebrations of Jesus's birth. In a last-minute rush to save Christmas 2005, House leaders whisked Rep. Davis's legislation to the floor. Davis kicked off the ensuing debate, lamenting that "it is unfortunate that a congressional resolution is even needed to do this," and warned of "overzealous civil liberties lawyers who are making their list and checking it twice."
Rep. Robin Hayes (R-NC)
At a town-hall meeting last year, Hayes advised attendants that "Stability in Iraq ultimately depends on spreading the message of Jesus Christ, the message of peace on earth, good will towards men. Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the Savior."
Originally posted by RANT
I did see your point in a later post to not be so, um, open and honest, in my feelings.
No. And here's why...
Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-NC)
In 1995, Mike McIntyre received a powerful signal that it was time to run for Congress. And that signal was a mail package from an Evangelical minister who believes God wants Christians to take over the federal government.
[...]
Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV)
Robert Byrd is a living institution in the Senate. And though his past includes membership in the KKK and opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, he's best known for continually expressing an exuberance for Christ.
[...]
Honorable Mention: Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)
Despite being one of the most left-leaning members of Congress, and caricatured more as a hippy than a God-fearing American, Dennis Kucinich has quite a relationship with the son of God [...] the long-shot presidential candidate demonstrates that the fringe Left can wave the Jesus flag as vigorously as the Right-wingers.
9. Representative Patrick Kennedy (D-RI)
[...]
7. Representative Cynthia McKinney (D-GA)
[...]
5. Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
If these morons can cash paychecks on my dime, spewing whatever snake handling, revisionist fairy tales they want in the US House, then I can certainly tell the truth as loud as I want on an alternative topics discussion board.
Again, here's the topic. The GOP is offering us two choices. Folks that think they're made of mud, and folks that think their voting base are mostly idiots.
ABCnews:
Kuo says the office was misused to rally evangelical Christians, the Republican base voters, to get GOP politicians elected. Not only that, Kuo claims Bush officials mocked evangelical leaders behind their backs, alleging that in the office of political guru Karl Rove they were called "the nuts."
"National Christian leaders received hugs and smiles in person and then were dismissed behind their backs and described as 'ridiculous', 'out of control,' and just plain 'goofy,' " Kuo writes.
Originally posted by kegs
Orangetom, I get your point; but the reality is Creationists and other anti- science groups exist in relatively large amounts in the US, and they have considerable influence on government, especially the current administration.
Originally posted by marg6043
Like I said before fundamentalist are gaining ground in their mission to take our government in the name of God and Jesus.
Like the song said "time is on my side" and they will be singing to that tune as long as they can hide under the umbrella of the GOP.
Beware of the wolf in sheep's clothing.
Originally posted by orangetom1999
This is part of the position I am debating here on this thread. It also seems to be part of the position of which Rren seems to be speaking...athough in a much different manner than do I.
I do find Rren's humor to be of a very sharp and keenly honed edge. Very astute.
I wonder if you notice this fingerprint while you are justifying your logic or emotions/hostility??? Same for Rant?? I am certain that there are others in this room who do.
It comes across as some kind of very feral wildlife in its hostility and emotional levels.
What is worse to me is that I can notice this fingerprit of feralness and wildlife in the views of the news and information media today attempting to pass for sophistication.
Thanks,
Orangetom
Originally posted by Rren
Evolution schmevolution, as it were. RANT, I believe, was being serious about the importance of this issue. I took the bait.
Originally posted by orangetom1999
Yes, I too think Rant was being serious about the importance of the issue as was Marge. This to me is a clear indicator of thier devoutness to the puppet strings and entitlement mentality.