First S-400 Missile pictures

Finally some pictures of this system is released. I do believe it is the most capable air defense system in place with a combination of fast reaction smaller missiles and longer range larger missiles.

These pictures where released about a month ago

Cool pics, you sure got one on for China but I know you dont live there now because this site is probably banned in China lol

I would lay ten to one odds that they are never used in combat. The odds of US and Chna going to war are very small indeed. Neither side wants to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Probably just sop sent to the nationalists and militarists. If Taiwan unilaterally declares independence than the US is under no obligation to protect them, and likely won't. If China attacks, then they know that they will provoke war with the US (and probably Japan, UK, Australia, as well as unifying the Taiwanese people against them), and that is not likely what they want.

And plus, its not like Falun Gong or rioting farmer's whose land is stolen have any airplanes to shoot down.

They are very nice pics though, thanks for passing them along.

EDIT: Is there any public info about their capabilities. Looking at pictures obviously doesn't really tell you how good the system is. I could paint a truck gree and put some painted PVCs coming out of the back and claim it is the best weapons system ever declared afterall.

[edit on 11-4-2007 by XBadger]

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
Cool pics, you sure got one on for China but I know you dont live there now because this site is probably banned in China lol

Please stick to the topic presented rather than speculating on the location/preferences of the OP.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
I know you dont live there now because this site is probably banned in China lol

Its not banned in china.


@ XBadger

What does this topic have to do with china?

Is there any public info about their capabilities

40N6 Specs are

Range 400 km
Max Speed 4000m/s ( Mach 12 )
Max Altitude: 185 km
Guidance : INS + ARH + IIR ???

48N6DM (upgraded missile found from the S-300)

Range 250 km
Max Speed 2,100 m/s (Mach 6 )
Max Altitude 25 km
Guidance INS + SARH + TVM


The complete Anti-everything system with twice the range of THAAD as well s twice the altitude

mea culpa. I thought these were more images from the Chinese arsenal. Now the Soviets, they're freakin' crazy. Anyway, thanks for the specs.

Originally posted by chinawhite
The complete Anti-everything system with twice the range of THAAD as well s twice the altitude

Yeah... I'd like to see it consistently shoot down IRBM's before making that statement. As for raw range, meh, only good against conventional targets...

sweet. thanks man

More fuel when it reaches target = bigger exploision/

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Yeah... I'd like to see it consistently shoot down IRBM's before making that statement. As for raw range, meh, only good against conventional targets...

You have seen these before but you just keep making the same old claims as if my posts are entirely invisble to you.....

On 04 March 1961 an R-12 ballistic missile fitted with a mockup in the form of a 500-kg steel plate, simulating a standard warhead, was launched from the State proving ground at station Sary-Shagan. The target was detected by proving ground radars at a range of 1,500 km and destroyed by a V-1000 antimissile missile, outfitted with a high-explosive-payload.

In 1963 the Griffon [NATO reporting name] interceptor was paraded in Red Square, and characterized as an ABM interceptor. The Griffon was a two-stage liquid fueled interceptor that was 16.5 meters long with a range of over 250 kilometers. Construction of the RZ-25 ABM system, which employed the V-1000 interceptor, was first detected in the early 1960's near the Estonian capital Tallinn. However this construction soon ceased. A highly modified version of the Griffon, the Gammon, was subsequently developed.

www.fas.org...

The Gammon is a 'highly refined' version of the Griffin ( wich was succesfully tested at the Russian ABM testing grounds against SS-4)wich the DIA and CIA in their wisdom decided to call a SAM system when all the evidence suggested that it was a dual use system at worse and a full blown ABM system, under the guise of a SAM system, at worse.

35 "Former Secretary of Defense Melvin R. Laird claims that thousands of SA-5 interceptors have been deployed in hundreds of sites around some 110 Soviet urban areas, principally in the European U.S.S.R"

www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil...

Over the years, the Russians have tested the S-300V against a wide array of targets. Antey officials claim that, in a recent series of tests in early 1997, the Gladiator and Giant interceptors successfully destroyed more than 60 ballistic and cruise missiles. Among the target missiles were Scud Bs modified to simulate Iraq's Al-Hussein short-range ballistic missile used in the Persian Gulf War. In a series of tests, S-300V had a single-shot kill probability of 0.4 to 0.7 against tactical ballistic missiles. An average of 1.5 to 1.75 interceptors are required to bring down a single target.Ibid.

www.missilethreat.com...

This new evidence reinforces longstanding concerns about systematic Soviet violations of the ABM Treaty. Battlefield management radars are
the long leadtime component of any ABM defense system and the Soviets seem to have gained a great deal of experience in this field since 1975 when they installed an ABM-X-3 radar in the Kamchatka impact area for their ICBM tests. Over the years, the Soviets have also been upgrading their surface-to-air (SAM) bomber defense systems--now presumed to perform an ABM role. Since the Carter Administration, the Soviets repeatedly have tested various types of SAM missiles in'a discernable ABM mode at altitudes above 100,000 feet and have deployed thousands of less capable SA-5 missiles around-Soviet cities. These illegal ABM activities and the development of an anti-tactical ballistic missle system clearly point to a Soviet decision to subvert the ABM Treaty shortly after signing it.

Refusals to acknowledge these Soviet treaty violations point to the perennial dilemma of what to do after detecting cheating. The Administra-. tion is doingitself and the country no favor by refusing to acknowledge the mounting evidence that the Soviets are developing a capability which seriously erodes strategic stability and will soon permit the Soviet Union to break out of the ABM Treaty. The Administration should document and publicize Soviet ABM activities and Treaty violations. It should accele- rate the U.S. ballistic missile defense (BDM) program. Unless Moscow can refute the evidence that its radar and weapons programs are not de- signed for an ABM role, the U.S. should abrogate the ABM Treaty.

www.heritage.org...

So they have been testing them for decades and to suddenly assume that they are getting worse at it does not make all that much sense. If their testing data does not matter to you consider the following:

The Bush administration’s policy was not an automatic continuity or continuation of all treaties with the USSR, but provided a framework to review each agreement and determine necessary changes. Such a review was particularly important for arms control agreements. As President Clinton stated in a letter to Congressman Gilman in March 1997, and I quote, “Particularly in the area of arms control, a case-by-case review of each agreement was necessary.” In that case-by-case review, the administration negotiated a memorandum of understanding [MOU] on succession to the ABM Treaty. The MOU, was concluded in September 1997 and identified Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia as the successor states to the treaty. This selection of successor states seemed to be consistent with a statement by the President that, and I quote, “neither a simple recognition of Russia as the sole ABM successor (which would have ignored several former Soviet States with significant ABM interests) nor a simple recognition of all NIS, Newly Independent States, as full ABM successors would have preserved fully the original purpose and substance of the treaty, as approved by the Senate in 1972.” That was the letter from the President to Congressman Gilman. The administration went on to reiterate in that same letter that the MOU on succession “works to preserve the original object and purpose of the treaty.” To summarize, the administration believed in 1997 that recognition of Russia alone or all of the successor states together would not have preserved the original purpose of the treaty.

www.missilethreat.com...

In mid-1994 the Belarusian air force operated two interceptor regiments with MiG-23, MiG-25, and MiG-29 aircraft; three strike regiments with MiG-27, Su-17, Su-24, and Su-25 aircraft; and one reconnaissance regiment with MiG-25 and Su-24 aircraft. Four regiments had 300 helicopters, and one transport regiment had more than forty helicopters. Personnel numbered 15,800.

Belarus also had an air defense force with 11,800 personnel and 200 SA-2, SA-3, SA-5, and SA-10 surface-to-air missiles. The system was being integrated into Russia's air defenses in 1994 owing to Belarus's lack of resources.

www.globalsecurity.org...

Kazakhstan is investing the equivalent of one billion dollars to upgrade its air defense system, reports Interfax, with the upgrades reportedly being made by a British company, BAE Systems. The systems upgraded reportedly include the S-75, S-125, S- 200, and S-300. The size of the contract reflects the extent of the defense systems built by the Soviet Union

www.missilethreat.com...

THE AIR DEFENSE FORCE
Structurally consist of three Corps, deployed correspondingly in Lviv, Odesa, Dnipropetrovs'k. The Force HQ is located in Kyiv.
48 000 men are in Air Defense service. The Force is armed with Air Defense complexes S-75; S-125, S-200, S-300. It also includes Fighter Aviation.
The Air Defense Force of Ukraine was developed at the basis of formations, deployed in Ukraine at the moment of its independence's proclamation.

So my question is this? Why force these three countries who both operate the S-300 or S-200 to accept the ABM treaty if they do not have systems that can be operated or adapated ( with operating and infrastructure development) to operate in a ABM role?

Note: SA-5 is actually a reused NATO reporting name: it originally referred to the Russian V-1000 Anti Ballistic Missile system, introduced in 1963 and retired the following year for unknown reasons. The SA-5 (as described here) is apparently considered to be a "highly modified version of it".

everything2.com...

Why were the treaty extended and why does the countries it was extended to all operate the Sa-5 or Sa-10? Coincidence?

What does the weapon system developers say?

However, Soviet and Russian sources, including former Premier Alexei Kosygin and the Chief Designer of the original Moscow ABM system, confirm that: the SA-5 and SA-10 were dual purpose antiaircraft/missile systems (SAM/ABMs), and that the Hen House and LPAR radars provided the requisite battle management target tracking data. These and other sources cited in The ABM Treaty Charade are not exhaustive.

Nevertheless, CIA has not revised its position on this issue, nor have the U.S. Congress and the public been informed that the ABM Treaty was a valid contract from beginning to end.

In the late 1960s the U.S. sacrificed its 20-year technological advantage in ABM defenses on the altar of "arms control." As Russian sources now admit, the Soviet General Staff was in total control of Soviet "arms control" proposals and negotiations, subject to Politburo review, which was largely pro forma. The Soviet military's objective was to gain as much advantage as possible from "arms control" agreements (SALT).

www.jinsa.org... ...

You know i have more and while i do not require you to respond in any detail i would like you to at least tell us WHY you have such a problem with believing this? Why can the Russians not do in 2006 what the US did for sure in the 1960's?

What , in your opinion, make them so very stupid?

Stellar



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[edit on 21-4-2007 by 12m8keall2c]

sure looked chinese to me.. *shrug*

who dun' it, then?

*comes back after research*

The system was formally announced by the Russian Air Force in January 1999.

From wikipedia.

[edit on 4/22/2007 by runetang]

Russia To Export S-400 Air Defense System From 2009

Russia could start producing the S-400 Triumf (NATO codename SA-21 Growler) air defense complex for export from 2009, the head of the Almaz central design bureau said Monday. "Within two years, our forces will test this system to ensure that there are no problems with it [on the market]... and then we will start producing them for export from 2009," Igor Ashurbeili said. He said the first S-400 complexes will be deployed at an air defense missile regiment in the town of Elektrostal, about 50 km to the east of Moscow, adding that under the state arms program, several dozen regiments are to be equipped with new systems.

He said this may not be enough to cover Russia's entire territory, but was sufficient to protect the main cities and strategic installations.

The S-400 Triumf is a new air defense missile system developed by Almaz as an upgrade to the S-300 family.

It has been designed to intercept and destroy airborne targets at a distance of up to 400 kilometers (250 miles), or twice the range of the MIM-104 Patriot, and 2.5 times that of the S-300PMU-2.

In April, Colonel-General Yury Solovyov, commander of the Air Defense Forces Special Command (former Moscow Military District Air Defense Command), said the system could also be used for limited purposes in missile and space defense, but that it is not intended to destroy intercontinental ballistic missiles.

However, he said the system is capable of destroying stealth aircraft, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles with an effective range of up to 3,500 kilometers (2,200 miles) and a speed of up to 4.8 kilometers (3 miles) per second.

The Russian Air Defense Forces, which are part of the Air Force, currently deploy more than 30 regiments equipped with S-300 missile complexes, which will be gradually replaced with S-400 systems
Link

lol
more stuff from russia
now how is this thing going to destroy stealth craft then they are "stealthed"?

I say the US should buy some. lol. pay for them, then see what theyre made of. Could that happen? Does the US have a counter or do we just rely on pac-3 and thaad?

Originally posted by truttseeker
I say the US should buy some. lol. pay for them, then see what theyre made of. Could that happen? Does the US have a counter or do we just rely on pac-3 and thaad?

Do you really think that if Russia never stopped their ABM research that the US did? Neither side ever stopped, none of the arms control agreements were ever held to by either side. Pretty obvious to me. Also another reason to believe that the fall of the Soviet Union was a charade.

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Russian news report about the deployment of the S-400 system

Russia to deploy S-400 air defense systems around Moscow


MOSCOW, July 25 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will deploy the first air defense battalion equipped with new S-400 missile systems around Moscow on August 6, an Air Force spokesman said.

The S-400 Triumf (NATO codename SA-21 Growler) is a new air defense missile system developed by the Almaz Central Design Bureau as an upgrade of the S-300 family.

"A battalion equipped with S-400 Triumf air defense systems and a command post will be put on combat duty [around Moscow] August 6," Colonel Alexander Drobyshevsky told a news conference Tuesday.

Russia successfully conducted July 12-13 live firing tests of S-400 air defense complex at the Kapustin Yar firing range in the Astrakhan Region.

Drobyshevsky said units of the first battalion had arrived at their deployment site in the Moscow Region and were preparing to assume combat duty.

A regular S-400 battalion comprises at least eight launchers and 32 missiles and a mobile command post, according to various sources.

S-400 has been designed to intercept and destroy airborne targets at a distance of up to 400 kilometers (250 miles), or twice the range of the U.S. MIM-104 Patriot, and 2.5 times that of the S-300PMU-2.
en.rian.ru...

Moscow to deploy S-400 air defense systems in northwest Russia

MOSCOW, February 7 (RIA Novosti) - Advanced S-400 anti-aircraft / anti-missile systems will be deployed in northwest Russia in the near future, an army commander said on Thursday.

"S-300 systems, currently in service in northwest Russia, will soon be replaced by the new S-400 Triumf [SA-21 Growler] system," said Lt. Gen. Vladimir Sviridov, the Leningrad Region Air Force and Air Defense Army commander.

The S-400 is designed to intercept and destroy airborne targets at a distance of up to 400 kilometers (250 miles), twice the range of the U.S. MIM-104 Patriot, and 2.5 times that of the S-300PMU-2.

The S-400 Triumf is to form the core of Russia's theater air and missile defenses through 2020, or even 2025.

Russia said last month it would deploy a second S-400 regiment at the end of 2008.

The first S-400 battalion to be deployed was put into service to protect airspace around Moscow and industrial zones in central Russia.

The system is capable of effectively engaging stealth aircraft, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles, with a range of up to 3,500 kilometers (2,200 miles) and a speed of up to 4.8 kilometers (3 miles) per second.
en.rian.ru...

Russia to deploy second S-400 regiment near Moscow in 2008

MOSCOW, January 21 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will deploy a second regiment equipped with new S-400 air defense systems at the end of 2008, a missile defense official said on Monday.

The new systems will protect the air space around Moscow and industrial zones in the center of the country's European part. The S-400 Triumf (SA-21 Growler) air defense system is expected to form the new cornerstone of Russia's theater air and missile defenses up to 2020 or even 2025.

"We are planning to put a second S-400 regiment on combat duty in the Moscow Region by the end of 2008," said Colonel-General Yuri Solovyov, the head of the Russian Air Force Special Command.
en.rian.ru...

Just a few articles regarding the delpoyment of the S-400 missile system