QFAC: Why do you want to be President of UTS?

First off, I thought I'd introduce two concepts for the sake of not re-typing the same words over and over again.

QFAC = Question For All Candidates: There's liable to be a lot more of these as time goes on. If we use this abbreviation, people can fit more of the question in the actual title of the thread for easier sorting against other questions or other threads on similar subjects. All in favor, start using "QFAC:", all opposed, meh.

UTS = United Top Secret: Really, when you think about it, it's not really President of of the United States of America, because we've got people who simply don't meet the constitutional requirements to be President. Unless we are to strictly limit it to people who can prove their constitutional requirements (over 35, natural born citizen of the USA, et al) then it's not really America's President that's being elected. However, that would completely defeat the purpose of this election which is to:

have a grand social experiment, on a massive scale.

explore the most empathic topics of the political ideologies.

maybe make a difference out there, or at least have fun trying.

And for that, everyone needs a shot at winning who wants to run. But don't call it the President of The USA, because ATS is far less limiting to the potential. On ATS, you can have any ideology you want, be of any age, or nationality, of any wealth level, and you have a real shot at winning if your ideas are appealing enough, to enough people, on ATS. The winner will truly be the best representative of ATS's politically active demographic.

And god bless it, it's good enough to be a college term paper, magazine article, or perhaps even start a whole new democratic revolution around the net someday, but first, for now, let's call it what it really is, and lets use the naming convention we all know and love:

United Top Secret or UTS, for short.

All in favor, use UTS, all opposed, meh.


So, the final meat of the entire post: Why do you want to be President of UTS?

Because it would be be absolutely, Earth-shatteringly great, to know that enough people agreed with enough of what I had to say, that we were able to make a difference in the world.

ATS is composed of so many people, with so many different views, that I can't help but sometimes pause in the middle of a post and remember that I'm dealing with so many people all across the globe, of so many differing ages, ethnicities, religions, preferences, and so forth.

In the space of one day, I read a post where someone had claimed to be dying of cancer after having their life threatened by a FBI Uncle who dealth in UFOs. Over the span of 5 pages, the responses ranged the gamut from deepest expressions of sorrow and offers of prayers, to flat out accusations of attention whoring. There were no less than 10 referrals to particular resources for treatment, and 5 suggested alternative cures, and even a heated debate as to the average literacy level of teens.

Within such a diverse crowd there was bound to be some drama, but anyone who does have cancer, or knows someone with cancer, might now see 10 new sources of strength, or 5 more reasons for hope. Those who needed to vent at the world got to. Those who needed to cry a bit, got to. And in the end, everyone kinda learned something new about each other.

THAT's why I come to ATS. It's why I keep coming back. And with such an enormous number of people, it seems only reasonable we can make a difference in the world. The sheer enormity of diversity here is our greatest strength, and I would love to be the representative of our common grounds, or as I call it, UTS.

Run for whatever office you like. I hereby abdicate the executive powers of the UTS to you.

I signed up to run for the Presidency of the United State of America to provide honest leadership and that is exactly what I will be doing in this campaign.

[edit on 15-3-2007 by df1]

Well for a few reasons.

1. Because its good practive for when I run for the real office.
2. Because it's one of the few times I will get to do such a thing.
3. Because I like ATS, and what better way to show that than by
participating.

Originally posted by iori_komei
Well for a few reasons.

Are you pulling out of your run for the presidency of the United States and challenging theLibra for the prime ministership of the UTS?

with 88595 members, and hundreds of thousands of posts on such a wide range of subjects ATS is the best website out there for alternitive subjects. I beleive that I and my VP can do much in the way of exposing and reporting to you the ATS community the truth in government.

This website needs a leader, I am that leader. This is why I want to be your ATS president of the United States of America.

[edit on 16-3-2007 by whatukno]

Originally posted by df1

Originally posted by iori_komei
Well for a few reasons.

Are you pulling out of your run for the presidency of the United States and challenging theLibra for the prime ministership of the UTS?

Pure semantics.

Originally posted by iori_komei

Originally posted by df1

Originally posted by iori_komei
Well for a few reasons.

Are you pulling out of your run for the presidency of the United States and challenging theLibra for the prime ministership of the UTS?

Pure semantics.

Pure evading of the question. You sir will have a long career in politics.

[edit on 16-3-2007 by df1]

I am running for a few reasons:

1. I want to have the truth told. Too many people think that they know what they are talking about or that they know what the are saying when it comes to political conspiracies. However many of them don't exactly know what the Illuminati is when criticizing it and they blame an non-real organization for their problems either that or that they blame the Freemasons for all of the problems. However, that is not the case, the government is behind lots of conspiracies within the educational system and Hollywood and I believe the governments real goal is to get the rest of the United States to be of a vegetative state where they cannot make decisions on their own. I want those lies of the current administration exposed.

2. Strength in numbers, if more people believe in one thing that is right they can talk about it and spread the word of ATS. They can do this because they have the right to speak out against the leading political party in public. If more people know what the truth of the current administration wants, they would vote for the right leader, and that's why you should vote for me, because I know what this current administration is up to, and I have some ideas as to how to remedy the situation to many people here.

3. We need to try our current administration in a global court. Maybe if I can get my facts heard in my "fair and truthful" campaign more and more people will realize how much of the time the current administration abuses or breaks the law. That being said, I can analyze the current administration, and I will look to see what law of the constitution that they are breaking (i.e this administration has been breaking practically the entire bill of rights and with the assault weapons ban in D.C they broke the 2nd ammendment).

4. I am a constitutionalist, I want more and more people to realize that the current administration cannot be tolerated. Because of the current conflicts that we are in the President of UTS or ATS President of the United States will be under many decisions. I'm under the hope that one of the government agents that come to this site (Reference: Simongray's and Skepticoverlords podcast) will look at my work and read it.

5. I have seen many of the lies of the current administration be played out right in front of my eyes and even though some say that for it to be a conspiracy that it was too big to be a conspiracy, the current administration had planned to goto War with Iraq before 9-11. They were waiting for that moment to go to war.

6. Some things happen, but I was watching the hole in the Pentagon and I was wondering why the Pentagon didn't collapse and all of the other buildings did. Months before the 9-11 attack the owner of the buildings who leased it said "pull it" on building 7, so they may have been waiting for an attack to demolish the buildings. The helicopters over that area I believe have had nothing to do with the attacks whatsoever. It is a commonly known conjecture that Bush and FBI agent Karl Roves may have planted explosives in the building, but I don't know that so I cannot comment about that.

7. I want to be President of UTS (if you want to call it that) since I am not going against what I already set out.

Vote for a Democrat for 07!!!! Let the truth be told!!!

Originally posted by Maverickhunter
7. I want to be President of UTS (if you want to call it that) since I am not going against what I already set out.

The United Terrorist States? Say it ain't so Mav.

[edit on 16-3-2007 by df1]

Originally posted by df1

Originally posted by Maverickhunter
7. I want to be President of UTS (if you want to call it that) since I am not going against what I already set out.

The United Terrorist States? Say it ain't so Mav.

[edit on 16-3-2007 by df1]

Okay now that you mention it I would rather be President of PTS...

I am still running.

I denounce my bid for elections for UTS and announce it for PTS >_>.

Thelibra, I recommend that you read over these before any further reading (do not steal the source either): www.archives.gov...

It shows how many laws the current administration has been breaking.

hey thelibra, do you intend to violate the 9th amendment too like GWB did?

[edit on 16-3-2007 by Maverickhunter]

My desire is to bring to light new ideas that spur new hope and re-establish honesty as a virtue. I hope that people here read my posts and find a little inspiration in the passion that I have for the issues that I discuss. Sometimes, a little inspiration is all we need to do something big!

[edit on 16-3-2007 by BennyHill]

I think I probably need to clarify the whole UTS thing. I thought I'd been pretty clear in the OP, but either the concept was way over Groucho's head, or he's deliberately trying to discredit people's campaigns based upon a simple suggestion for an abbreviation.

The reasons I suggested the use of UTS over USA was because:

Anyone not natural born American and 35+ of age would have been disqualified right off the bat due to constitutional reasons. If we're going to start throwing out bits of the constitution before the election even takes place, then what's the point of calling it the Presidency of the USA? It would make far more sense to recognize the global community that ATS represents.

United Top Secret (UTS) fits the convention of all the other major sections of the site (ATS, PTS, BTS), and also conveys a positive message about how the members of the site are united in their vote on whom will be their majority representative.

It's a lot more space-efficient that typing America, and a lot less confusing in regards to other posts about the political situation in the USA.

It is not a declaration of my dropping from the race, nor is it even something I'll bother using if everyone is so incredibly opposed to it. However, as the whole point of ATS, PTS, and BTS is about the free exchange of ideas, I felt it was entirely within reason to make this suggestion, considering all the benefits of it.

Groucho, I know you're not a stupid fellar, and I know you have a keen wit about you. However, for the sake of keeping the BS and poo-flinging in this race to a minimum, I'd appreciate it if you stopped trying to sew further confusion, and simply say you either liked the idea or didn't. If you don't, that's fine, and dandy, but try to avoid making yourself appear to be as rude and ready-to-slander as your real-life contemporaries.

We've managed to keep a very civil race so far, with lots of good ideas and friends and worthy foes made early on. Don't cheapen that for the sake of some low-brow laughs.

[edit on 3/17/2007 by thelibra]

Originally posted by thelibra
the concept was way over Groucho's head, or he's deliberately trying to discredit people's campaigns based upon a simple suggestion for an abbreviation.

The honorable, thelibra, has elevated the politics of deception & distortion to a new level. It is not uncommon for candidates to try to redefine themselves into something that they are not in their mercenary attempts to get votes, however this candidate has gone even beyond those depths of deceit. He is trying to redefine the office up for election into his own image, rather than office defined at the beginning of this campaign. And when he is called on this sleazy tactic he plays the victim. It kind of reminds me of the smoke and mirrors used by Karl Rove.

UTS is not abbreviation of any thing associated with the US Presidency, it is a wholesale change of the elected office defined at the beginning of this election, President of the United States (POTUS).

I am running for the office of POTUS.

Other candidates can run for whatever office they desire.

for the sake of keeping the BS and poo-flinging in this race to a minimum...

Stick to the issues and stop playing politics with the terms of the election. When you spread manure all over the ground you have no basis for complaining about the bad smell and your shoes getting soiled.

What's next, is he going to try and move the primaries to FreeRepublic?

[edit on 17-3-2007 by df1]

df1, please, these shamefull tactics to discredit your opponents are both silly and unwarented. I have noticed you have basicly avoided the question at hand. Call it what you will POTUS, or President of UTS either way the point is why do you feel that you are the best candidate for the job.

you claim to be running for honest leadership however, several posts I have seen, have been little more thain cheap shots at other candidates and it does not forward your credibility for the office you are running for.

I am certan you have valuable ideas and they are certanly worthy for discussion and debate. I am sure if you follow your own platform instead of attempting to destroy others you will garner more votes thain demeaning your opponents in a bland attempt at making yourself the lesser of the few evils.

Originally posted by whatukno
I have noticed you have basicly avoided the question at hand.

I avoided nothing.

Originally posted by df1
I signed up to run for the Presidency of the United State of America to provide honest leadership and that is exactly what I will be doing in this campaign.

The question "Why do you want to be President..." has been previously answered. Since you missed it I have quoted & underlined it above for your convenience.

I am sure if you follow your own platform instead of attempting to destroy others

Everyone had over a month to make their comments & suggestions on how this election would be conducted, the OP had nothing to say during this period. Bringing his druthers up at this late date is nothing but a purely political attempt to manipulate the election process.

As a voter, not a candidate, I have a couple questions for candidate whatukno:
Do you believe that your calling for the implementation of the "whatukno Palestine Doctrine" destroyed the credibility of your campaign? And are your comments on this thread and attempt to more closely align yourself with the OP in hopes of the VP nod on his ticket in light of your Palestine blunder?

Originally posted by df1
As a voter, not a candidate, I have a couple questions for candidate whatukno:

Do you believe that your calling for the implementation of the "whatukno Palestine Doctrine" destroyed the credibility of your campaign?

No I don't believe that my calling for the implementation of the "whatukno Palestine Doctrine" destroyed my campaigns credibility. I stand by my statements in that thread and by my policy. I think it's fair, reasonable and workable. Furthermore the "whatukno Palestine Doctrine" if implemented I believe would bring about lasting peace in the middle east. Stabilising the region and promoting peace is nothing to be ashamed of.

Are your comments on this thread and attempt to more closely align yourself with the OP in hopes of the VP nod on his ticket in light of your Palestine blunder?

I don't believe that I have made any blunder, I have a Vice Presidential Candidate, Rockpuck, he is a intelegent and viable partner in my campaign. I don't need to align myself with my worthy opponent thelibra because I feel that my campaign at this point is strong and I do not seek to be thelibra's Vice Presidential Candidate.




[edit on 3/17/2007 by whatukno]

It would appear, DF1, my Socialist friend....

That your causing trouble for no reason? Why? What are you gaining?

Don't you think this just might be hurting you image, attacking other candidates on what WOULD have been a relatively peacefull discussion between candidates?

Good job Whatukno, on trying to bring back peace and order and a sense of common decency to this thread.


Whatukno For President!

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Don't you think this just might be hurting you image

I'm happy with who I am, thank you. All views expressed are my own genuine and sincere views. Some folks will agree, others won't. IMHO the public is tired of politicians that would not say "sh_t" if they had a mouthful.

I will let all of you politicians worry about crafting your "politically correct" public "image".

Question previously answered, I will leave this thread to the politicians





[edit on 17-3-2007 by df1]