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Gnostic Anthropology
...Speaking quite frankly and straightforward, we will state:
Gnosis is a very natural function of the Consciousness, a Perennis et Universalis Philosophy.
Unquestionably, Gnosis is the enlightened knowledge of the Divine Mysteries, which are reserved for a certain elite. (but not for elitists)
The Word 'Gnosticism' encloses within its grammatical structure the idea of systems or methods dedicated to the study of Gnosis.
'Gnosticism' implies a coherent, clear and precise series of fundamental elements that can be verified through direct mystical experience:
Damnation, from a scientific and philosophic point of view.
The Adam and Eve of the Hebraic Genesis
The Original Sin and the fall from Paradise
The Mystery of Nahua Lucifer
The Death of the Myself
The Creative Powers
The Essence of the Salvator Salvandus
The Sexual Mysteries
The Intimate Christ
The Igneous Serpent of our magical powers
The Descent into Hell
The Return to Eden
The Gift of Mephistopheles
Only the Gnostic doctrines that entail the abovementioned Ontological, Theological and Anthropological bases are part of genuine Gnosticism.
The masonic meanings are invariably things that any right thinking person can subscribe to, not just masons.
There's no such thing as "irrepayable [karmic] debts".
-Tamahu
Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
Whether you feel it is sweeping generalization or not, it is your opinion, and as i have said before, i feel you are entitled to your opinions. That does not change the fact that the above saying, as you, Masonic Light, and myself have pointed, is true.
The term "Freemasons" is very revealing. Solomon had slaves building the temple. But some of the tradesmen were not slaves; they were free-masons. Likewise, the term "Master Masons" has the same significance. Those of that rank were the slave masters or the teachers...
Originally posted by pepsi78
The masonic meanings are invariably things that any right thinking person can subscribe to, not just masons.
I'm only talking about the sybols meanings, you quoted me the wrong way.
The question was do masons belive in the meaning of their symbols, you know the eye the pyramid, the 2 birds, and so on, I'm talking strictly about those, it seems you are avoiding my question.
You said that any one can suscribe to those, I don't care about that, because that does not answer my question, your answer was totaly off subject and it did not offer an answer.
Actually I think you're avoiding my answer. Lets try again. Masons are taught the meanings of the symbols (in a masonic context), but whether they choose to believe the meanings is entirely up to them.
Originally posted by pepsi78
Tell me what does the coat of arms represent with the 2 angels.
Here is the image I'm refering to.
Can you describe it for me.
Can you explain to me why do the angels in this picture have goat feet?
... winged creatures combining human and animal features.
...having a human-like body, with four arms, hands, and legs, but with some remarkable non-human features- that is, the head had four faces, a calf, an eagle, a lion and a human. It possessed two legs whose feet were cloven like a bull's.
www.meta-religion.com...
The figures on either side are not angels, but cherubs. You can read more about cherubs at Wikipedia, where they are described as
You were an anointed guardian cherub, for I had appointed you.
You were on the holy mountain of God, you walked among the fiery stones.
From the day you were created you were blameless in your ways
until wickedness was found in you.
Through the abundance of your trade,you were filled with violence, and you sinned.
So I expelled you in disgrace from the mountain of God,
and banished you, guardian cherub,from among the fiery stones
No, neither ML or I pointed this [Freemasonry is based upon the legend of the building of Solomon's Temple...] out as you and anyone capable of scrolling back to his post can see that.
-Trinityman
Actually, in American ritual, the Temple is mentioned throughout each of the degrees, especially in the Second Degree, although the First Degree Lecture has many allusions.
-ML
...This legend is a part of the symbolism within the third degree.The symolism is only there to teach lessons in morality. Freemasonry is a system of morality, veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols and is waaaay bigger than just this one story.
-Trinityman
Bearing in mind that speculative Masonry dates its origin from the building of King Solomon's temple by Jewish and Tyrian artisans, 53* the first important fact that attracts the attention is, that the operative masons at Jerusalem were engaged in the construction of an earthly and material temple, to be dedicated to the service and worship of God--a house in which Jehovah was to dwell visibly by his Shekinah, and whence he was, by the Urim and Thummim, to send forth his oracles for the government and direction of his chosen people.
Now, the operative art having, for us, ceased, we, as speculative Masons, symbolize the labors of our predecessors by engaging in the construction of a spiritual temple in our hearts, pure and spotless, fit for the dwelling-place of Him who is the author of purity--where God is to be worshipped in spirit and in truth, and whence every evil thought and unruly passion is to be banished, as the sinner and the Gentile were excluded from the sanctuary of the Jewish temple.
This spiritualizing of the temple of Solomon is the first, the most prominent and most pervading of all the symbolic instructions of Freemasonry. It is the link that binds the operative and speculative divisions of the order. It is this which gives it its religious character. Take from Freemasonry its dependence on the temple, leave out of its ritual all reference to that sacred edifice, and to the legends connected with it, and the system itself must at once decay and die, or at best remain only as some fossilized bone, imperfectly to show the nature of the living body to which it once belonged.
53* : This proposition I ask to be conceded; the evidences of its truth are, however, abundant, were it necessary to produce them. The craft, generally, will, I presume, assent to it.
Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
I feel this decisively concludes that "Freemasonry is based upon the legend of the building of Solomon's Temple..."
Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
I feel this decisively concludes that "Freemasonry is based upon the legend of the building of Solomon's Temple..."
I have rebuked your assertions about Amitakh's work above, now, please, respond to my original statement that "Freemasons, as well as all monotheists, whether inadvertantly or not, worship Satan. " I assume, from your absence of an actual response or argumen, that you can make no argument.
I feel this decisively concludes that "Freemasonry is based upon the legend of the building of Solomon's Temple..."
-DerekOneSeven17
what does this entire thread have to do with conspiracy?????
-Appak
Worship is a conscious act. You CAN NOT inadvertently worship.
-Appak
Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
Read the original post.
You certainly can inadvertantly worship if the being you worship portrays himself as something he is not, or he is misrepresented by the texts, clergy, church heirarchy, etc.
Though you may not realize fully at the time, the "Grand Architecht," being you worship,
when in fact, he has caused yourself and every inhabitant of this planet extreme, purposeless suffering. [snip] As I had explained and asked previously, why would a loving god create the food chain, where animals are forced to kill eachother to survive? [snip]
Originally posted by pepsi78
Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
I feel this decisively concludes that "Freemasonry is based upon the legend of the building of Solomon's Temple..."
Of course it is, the templars found something there, something that was not theirs, they took it and it made them rich, in other words it was a robery, come to think of it masonary is built on that, on a robery, what is noble about that I do not know.
Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
I will repeat, that, in truth, the system of Karma and reincarnation, instituted by the demiurge, is in fact evil and, and, basically, forces the participant to collect irrepayable debts over their incarnations. By being born over and over again, and having your memory "wiped," of your past lives, you are coerced into making the same mistakes over and over, thus being forced to accumulate more and more bad karma and enslaving yourself in the seemingly never ending cycle of reincarnation.
The Great Rebellion
...Obviously, when the modern human beings hear anything about esoterism, they respond with terrible coldness, or they simply sneer, shrug their shoulders and indifferently turn away. This is because it is not in their plans, it is not of interest within their social circles, nor is it sexually titillating enough.
This psychological apathy, this frightening coldness is based on two things: first, the most tremendous ignorance; second, the absolute absence of spiritual inquietudes.
A contact, an electric shock is needed. No one gave this to them at the store, nor was it found in what they believed to be serious, least of all, in the pleasures of bed.
If someone were capable of giving an electric shock to an indifferent imbecile or a superficial woman, a spark in the heart, some peculiar reminiscence, an inexplicable something that is all too personal, then perhaps everything would be different.
However, something displaces that secret voice, that initial hunch, that intimate yearning. This possibly could be a stupid triviality, a beautiful hat in some shop window, a delicious dessert at a restaurant, an encounter with a friend which later holds no importance for us, etc.
Trivialities and nonsense, while having no particular transcendence, still have the power at any given moment to extinguish that first spiritual disquietude, that intimate longing, that insignificant spark of light, that hunch which unsettles us for a moment without our knowing why.
If those who are currently living corpses, cold sleepwalkers in nightclubs or simply umbrella salespeople in department stores on the avenue, had not suffocated their initial intimate uneasiness, they would at this moment be spiritual luminaries, adepts of the Light, real Humans in every sense of the word...
Lucifer: Details
...Thus, with Lucifer, Satan was created. With Lucifer, Satan can be destroyed. With Lucifer we can become lost in the abyss. With Lucifer we can reach the highest heights of creation.
We should not be afraid of Lucifer. His potency is inside of our sexual glands but his essence is in everything created...
A Survey of the Paths of Tibetan Buddhism - His Holiness the Dalai Lama
...The point is that due to the force of desire, you are able to melt the elements within your body. Consequently, when you experience the nonconceptual state, you should be able to direct your attention to meditation on emptiness. So, when you experience a nonconceptual state as a result of the elements melting within your body, if you are able to generate that understanding into a realization of emptiness, you will have achieved the feat of transforming a disturbing emotion, desire, into the wisdom realizing emptiness.
When you are able to employ this nonconceptual blissful mind in realizing emptiness, the result is a powerful wisdom that serves as an antidote to counteract and eliminate diusturbing emotions.
Therefore, it is a case of wisdom derived from disturbing emotions counteracting and eliminating them, just as insects born from wood consume it...
"He who in this world has relinquished all sensuous pleasures, wanders homeless (for the welfare of the many), and has destroyed all desire (kama) for existence -- him I call a Brahman." - Buddha Shakyamuni
The Christ
...We must clarify that the work with the Grain has three completely defined lines.
First: to be born.
Second: to die.
Third: to sacrifice for the poor, Suffering humanity.
To be born is a completely sexual problem. To die is a matter of Sanctity. Sacrifice for humanity is Christ-centrism.
The Angel must be born within us. This Angel is born from his sexual Seed. Satan must die; this is a matter of sanctity. We must give our life in order for others to live. This is Christ-centrism.
The Hierophant Jesus really lived all the drama of the Passion, just as it is written. Even though we are really miserable worms of the Earth, we need also to live all the drama of the Passion...
Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
Therefor, it is, basically, impossible to live in this material world without incurring karmic debt,
I DO NOT worship the Great (or Grand) Architect of the Universe. That's one reference (of many) used in Masonic writing and ceremony. I worship at Mass...NOT at Lodge.
-Appak
The Great Architect of the Universe (GAOTU, also Grand Architect of the Universe or Supreme Architect of the Universe) is a conception of God used by many...
...Masons themselves, such as Bissey[6], Leazer (quoting Coil's Masonic Encyclopaedia)[7], and Morris[8], assert that "the Masonic abbreviation G.A.O.T.U., meaning the Great Architect of the Universe, continues a long tradition of using an allegorical name for the Deity".