Ahmadinejad Approval Rating On The Decline

Iran's President Ahmadinejad is coming under heavy criticism from both conservative Muslims and reformers. His critics complain about his preoccupation with antagonizing the US, inviting UN nuclear sanctions and most importantly his failure to live up to his campaign rhetoric which promised improvements in housing, employment and rising food prices



The public in both the US and Iran are more interested in domestic issues, however this fact escapes both of these presidents. It appears that the citizens of the US have in much common with the citizens of Iran.



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[edit on 17/1/2007 by Mirthful Me]

Maybe Bush and Ahmadinejad can be impeach and go play wargames together? And let the people in peace? Why people who have lost the sense of reality are in power?

I agree they both should be impeached.

People tend to go by the propaganda instead of taking their time to learn about the countries that our administration is trying to attack or . . . liberate.

Iran is not like Iraq and Ahmadinejad is much like Bush in the US with a parliament that actually exercises more powers over the prime minister than congress do here in America.

Saddam was a dictator he served only himself.

Too bad this news is just a bit late, since both the US and the UK are already sending more naval assets to the region. The President of Iran has made the same mistake the Saddam did, both thought the West was bluffing, we are not. I think this poll just shows that Iranians are coming to terms with the fact that their President has caused an uneccessary war due to their own selfish interests to have nuclear weapons. I imagine the President of Iran's popularity to continue to go down until the air strikes on their country later this year begin.

Maybe they are finally coming to the conclusion that they are staring down the barrel of a really big gun? They have no allies who'll come to their aid, you actually think China or the Russians are going to take on the West at this moment? Not yet. They'll leave Iran to swing in the breeze. I think the Iranian public and gov't. officials may finally be coming to that little realization.

Maybe they are finally coming to the conclusion that they are staring down the barrel of a really big gun? They have no allies who'll come to their aid, you actually think China or the Russians are going to take on the West at this moment? Not yet. They'll leave Iran to swing in the breeze. I think the Iranian public and gov't. officials may finally be coming to that little realization.

Well, Ahmanedijad is only under fire because of two things:

- He did not resolve the domestics problems
- He brings war against the real political power in Iran, the mullahs

China said many times that if the flow of oil stops, they enter the war. Also, China said that if US attacks Iran, they will crush the US economy by dumping massive amounts of treasury bounds, resulting into a crash of the US dollar. Also, China don't want to lose their oil contracts... I hope that China and Russia steps in before US attacks.

iran's president, ahmadeintheshade(?), has been like the little kid trying to provoke an adult for fun. The adult has tried ignoring him and then tried warning him to desist. But no, the little kid just keeps it up. Now, the adult may have decided to smack the little kid to get him to stop. If this was just people, it would be time for the little kid to try and run away.

Too bad, so sad for iran, but countries have nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.

The adult has tried ignoring him and then tried warning him to desist.

So you call Bush an adult? HAHAHAHA. Bush an adult? Really funny. Bush who wants victory in Iraq because it would be bad for his ego... Bush who wants to beat his father into invadind Iraq... Ahmanedijad, Bush and their little friend Netanyahou should go burn in hell together.

[edit on 17-1-2007 by Vitchilo]

Excepting Israel, Iran is the most western of the mideastern countries with large portion of the population that support reform. Iran is going to become westernized regardless of the desires of its religious leadership. All the US needs to do is wait. The only reason for not waiting is greed.
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Originally posted by Vitchilo

Also, China said that if US attacks Iran, they will crush the US economy by dumping massive amounts of treasury bounds, resulting into a crash of the US dollar. Also, China don't want to lose their oil contracts... I hope that China and Russia steps in before US attacks.

Oh, and if China does all this bad stuff to the U.S. economy, it would also be economic suicide for China. Where else are they going to sell all the stuff they sell to the U.S. if the American economy has been "crushed"?

From your point of view I guess this is all nice stuff you hope to see happen, but it's not going to happen. China likes to get paid by the U.S. probably way more than they like to play nice with the iranians.

Yep, if iran gets crushed, what happens to China, not much if anything.

So, to summarize, you need to compare Chinese economic suicide if they hurt the U.S. economy against nothing happening to China or the U.S. if iran gets crushed.

You do the math and tell us all what China will really do if iran provokes an attack.


[edit on 1/17/2007 by centurion1211]

C'mon people.

Doesn't everyone understand that iran only has the support of china and russia because they perceive iran to be a 'thorn in America's side'? A way to help check U.S. power and influence to their own benefit? Russia also sells a lot of arms to iran, but if the current batch gets destroyed, they know they can just sell more to the next iranian government.

China and russia are simply using iran as a pawn on the world's political stage. They couldn't care less what actually happens to iran in the long run. Guess what, pawns are expendable, and that's exactly what russia and china will do when iran is no longer useful or otherwise becomes a liability to them.

[edit on 1/17/2007 by centurion1211]

Centurion, I completely agree with what you are saying. Russia and China are using Iran by proxy to hurt us. It looks as if the Cold War isn't yet over? I think the Cold War is alive and well and that if you look at a map of Asia, it just shows how Democracy, like it or not, is spreading East.

www.neclime.de...

Even though Russian and Chinese economies are more capitalistic than ever does not necessarily mean that their leadership prefers democracy and capitalism to communism and socialism. They are the true threats, however we need to take out Iran now so that they do not grow into the threat that Russia and China are today.

Oh, and if China does all this bad stuff to the U.S. economy, it would also be economic suicide for China. Where else are they going to sell all the stuff they sell to the U.S. if the American economy has been "crushed"?

So, I refer you to this thread.

From your point of view I guess this is all nice stuff you hope to see happen, but it's not going to happen.

Sorry, I hate war for corporations.

Yep, if iran gets crushed, what happens to China, not much if anything.

Yeah, they get USA on another front, one less ally, and the iranian oil is no more in their zone of influence.

You do the math and tell us all what China will really do if iran provokes an attack.

Iran will not provoke an attack, the US will attack or create a Tonkin incident.

Originally posted by centurion1211
Oh, and if China does all this bad stuff to the U.S. economy, it would also be economic suicide for China.

In an economic war with the Chinese the US would surrender as soon as it started impacting the lifestyle of the American people. In the US people on welfare have cable/sat, big screen tv's, microwaves, ipods, internet and a wealth of other luxuries. There will be hell to pay for any US politicians that tread down this road.

The average Chinese citizen wouldn't even notice an economic war was happening.
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
So, I refer you to this thread.

So, I read the thread you quoted and saw a lot of people debunking the OP's premise that China doesn't need the U.S buying it's goods.

And for good reason, you just can't take away over $100 to $200 billion in receipts from China's economy and say it won't hurt them badly.

Sorry, I hate war for corporations.

No, I meant that it seems that you would love for china and russia to hurt the U.S.

Yeah, they get USA on another front, one less ally, and the iranian oil is no more in their zone of influence.

So, in your mind it's OK if china plays political games for oil, just not the U.S. Now, we're starting to see where you're coming from.

Iran will not provoke an attack, the US will attack or create a Tonkin incident.

For the same reason as above, even if there was a real incident, it would be all be the same to you. You would claim it was fake to suit your purposes. I refer you to this thread:

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Yeah I did notice that is all he seems to be doing.

I do know that already many Iranians are actually pretty liberal people and don't care about the US at all.

Originally posted by df1

The average Chinese citizen wouldn't even notice an economic war was happening.

Let's see, time for econ 101.

1-China stops selling to the U.S.
2-(a good part of) China's industry goes idle
3-A great many chinese workers now have no work and no pay.
4-No pay buys no food (or anything else produced by other parts of the chinese economy)
5-now more chinese are affected (go back to step 2).
6-snowball effect.

So, they wouldn't even notice? Right.

Wait! Maybe you think that the chinese government would step in and take care of all these now starving workers and their families. But the food and other goods they'd now have to import (since their economy could no longer provide it from within - if it ever could) would come largely from the U.S.

Catch-22 and, like I said, why the chinese won't mess with the U.S. over iran.

Originally posted by centurion1211
So, they wouldn't even notice? Right.

Wait! Maybe you think that the chinese government would step in and take care of all these now starving workers and their families. But the food and other goods they'd now have to import (since their economy could no longer provide it from within - if it ever could) would come largely from the U.S.

Catch-22 and, like I said, why the chinese won't mess with the U.S. over iran.

This is assuming that the Chinese gov't cares for the common person.

You are thinking in western terms.

Our government staging another "gulf of tonkin" is enough of a concern that a member of congress expressed exactly those concerns on the floor of the house.

Ron Paul (R) on the floor of the house.

"The truth is that Iran, like Iraq, is a third-world nation without a significant military. Nothing in history hints that she is likely to invade a neighboring country, let alone America or Israel. I am concerned, however, that a contrived Gulf of Tonkin- type incident may occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran."
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Originally posted by Kacen
I do know that already many Iranians are actually pretty liberal people and don't care about the US at all.

You must also know then that for most Americans, the feelings toward iran would be mutual. Even now, most probably don't know or care even where it is on a map. Without the ranting, raving threats of the leaders, iran would just be considered to be some dusty backwater place with camels, rugs and maybe a little oil. And that's really what bothers you the most, now isn't it?

Regarding the political game russia is using iran to play. The U.S. knows the drill, having used iran in exactly the same way against russia back in the 1950's.

Here's the key lesson to take away from that fact. Iran resented being used back then and is still trying to "get even" with the U.S. for it. Now russia is selling sophisticated weapons to iran while using iran as a pawn again. When iran decides to get even with russia for that as they will, russia (not the U.S.) will find itself in range of the very weapons it sold iran. Positively brilliant strategy on the part of the russians, there ...