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Where do you go to report you've never, ever, seen a chemtrail - despite years of searching?

Originally posted by Essan
Where do you go to report you've never, ever, seen a chemtrail - despite years of searching?

I dunno about you or where you live and the activity of chemtrails there but where i live it's a mess almost every day.

And i took disgusting pictures that demonstrates this.

So anyways, i encourage everyone who see chemtrails to report them, the more people report it the better the chances for it to become common knowledge to everyone.

[edit on 16-10-2006 by selfless]

Nice, so we're going to have a compilation of sightings of 'chemtrails', as reported by just about any old person, when chemtrails and contrails (pretending that chemtrails even existed in the first place) are indistinguishable.

This data is going to be absolutely useless.

Originally posted by Nygdan
Nice, so we're going to have a compilation of sightings of 'chemtrails', as reported by just about any old person, when chemtrails and contrails (pretending that chemtrails even existed in the first place) are indistinguishable.

This data is going to be absolutely useless.

haha, it's very easy to tell the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail...

A chemtrail stays in the atmosphere for hours and hours and it expands and joins together the other formations of chemtrail lines and they create a layer of toxic looking cloud.

While a contrail simply dissapate a few seconds afterwards hahahahaha......

[edit on 16-10-2006 by selfless]

Originally posted by Nygdan
when chemtrails and contrails (pretending that chemtrails even existed in the first place) are indistinguishable.

This data is going to be absolutely useless.

I agree and disagree...
the data will be useless, because it would be nye on impossible to prove one isn't the other (or vs versa)

But Nygdan, please take this as educational, and not a smack, but here is your absolute proof of "chemtrails" in the sense of "an aircraft sprayed biological/chemical weapon above American Cities"
Chemical weapon sprayed above 239 cities
KOCO is the local NBC affiliate, and this test program is confirmed by the governments own records...

Skeptics will say that the government would NEVER do tests such as these...
maybe now they wont, but they had no such reservations in the past...

So in the interest of denying ignorance, lets all accept that it is a rather rational fear for a CTist to have, considering the proof of history...

So no more making fun of the little old chemtrail ladies, or I will have to take you to school...

Are these nefarious tests going now? maybe in 50-60 years, we will finally find out.
as in these cases...

never underestimate the ability of the PTB to ignore the civilian population...

And selfless: in the interest of denying ignorance,
please believe me when i say, it is entirely dependant upon atmospheric conditions, rather than the contents of the contrail, that indicate whether it is a "spreader" or a "dissapater"

If Howard was feeling nice, he would post an educational link to my statement (he keeps them handy).

[edit on 16-10-2006 by LazarusTheLong]

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong

And selfless: in the interest of denying ignorance,
please believe me when i say, it is entirely dependant upon atmospheric conditions, rather than the contents of the contrail, that indicate whether it is a "spreader" or a "dissapater"

[edit on 16-10-2006 by LazarusTheLong]

There is an extreme amount of chemtrail activity where i live and i can tell the difference between a contrail reaction and a none contrail reaction, it's not hard to tell them apart...

As for howard, he's on my ignore list for insulting me in a u2u.

Also, i am aware of how they say that weather affects contrails but it's not to a degree of chemtrails. Just look at the second video i posted in the youtube video thread.

There is an extreme amount of chemtrail activity where i live and i can tell the difference between a contrail reaction and a none contrail reaction, it's not hard to tell them apart...

For you maybe... but proving it is a whole other matter...
I suggest you stick to elements of your claim that are provable...

AIR FORCE INSIDER DESCRIBES WEATHER MOD MISSIONS

An active duty air force crew chief has described environmental combat missions already being flown by specially-outfitted C-130 Hercules transports, which can be reloaded, refueled and relaunched in just 10 minutes to continue their assault on violent storms afflicting US communities. Flown by regular air force pilots, these "science flights" include onboard meteorologists, who painstakingly log the results of each mission.

Big storm fronts and hurricanes require a vast amount of absorbent chemicals to reduce their destructive power. To achieve the fast turn-around times needed to complete their missions, flights of returning C-130s taxi to a stop and immediately commence refueling as the empty onboard spray canister is removed. as soon as the empty canister is clear of the aircraft, a waiting truck wheels a semi-trailer-size container of sky-seeding chemicals to the plane's lowered rear ramp, where it is slid inside on rails like a gigantic "soda dispenser".

The crew chief added that other spray missions spread (barium) chemtrails to facilitate 3D radar mapping of the entire continental United States. He also said that the air force has been spraying storm fronts "for a long time". The military's main interest, he added, is experimentation aimed at gaining control of the weather for military use.

Did the air force spray this year's first Caribbean hurricane, in which the western quadrant disintegrated just before making its Texas landfall? "There's no reason they wouldn't," the crew chief replied.

But C-130 turboprops would not necessarily be used to try to influence hurricanes that typically release more energy than all atomic arsenals combined. Referring to the 757s recently modified for aerial spraying, the crew chief told willthomas.net, "We've got them, but I can't talk about them."

He added that many people in the air force "are aware of William Thomas" and his reporting on chemtrails. The crew chief confirmed that this reporter "has it mostly right" concerning the application and purposes behind chemtrails. But would not elaborate on my reporting.






SOURCE: www.rense.com...

EUROPEAN CHEMTRAIL UPROAR

Meanwhile, the chemtrails controversy has taken Europe by storm following a series of articles by Swiss freelance journalist Gabriel Stetter in the German popular science magazine Raum+Zeit (Space and Time), circulation circa 50,000.

Stetter's first article, "White Skies" created a public relations nightmare for Greenpeace when it informed readers in January 2004 how "Thousands of people were thoroughly shocked when they realised, and were informed by Greenpeace in Germany, Switzerland and Austria that-for some reason or other-Greenpeace has no interest in the Chemtrail question whatsoever."

The Swiss government also came under public pressure to explain the checkerboards being painted in its skies. On March 5, 2004 the Environment Department in Berne, Switzerland responded to an inquiry by Rudolf Rechsteiner, Social Democratic member of parliament, admitting that "A number of ideas exist that show how it would be possible to reduce global warming by technical means, at least in the short term."

But these ideas, the government office hastened to add, "are no more than theoretical. We are not aware of any practical application of these methods, either at home or abroad."

Ten days later, Greenpeace Switzerland climate and transport expert Cyrill Studer wrote an internal memo assuring colleagues that while he had "heard of the chemtrails phenomenon," for the present, Greenpeace "will not be following up the theme of chemtrails."

Two reasons for inaction by Greenpeace climate change activists were given. First, Studer explained, "There is not a sufficiently solid scientific basis" for Greenpeace to risk its budget and reputation verifying this "supposed phenomenon". To do so, he added in his memo to Greenpeace staff, "would overstretch our capacities.Important elements of our climate campaign would suffer, particularly the promotion of energy efficiency and of renewable energies, or our active influence in present-day politics."

Outside Greenpeace's corporate offices, the controversy continued. On June 11 German Greenpeace spokeswoman Kristine Läger told concerned constituents:

The idea of reducing global warming by putting chemicals in the atmosphere has been around a long time. There are various proposals in this direction, suggesting the chemicals should be independently sprayed and that they should be mixed with the fuel of ordinary passenger aircraft. Whether in Germany such proposals have reached the point of actual realization is highly questionable. So far as we are aware there are no indications from research and observation of weather and climate that these so-called chemtrails exist. Nor are we aware of any project that has been realized in practice.. in all probability this is not happening.

But Gabriel Stetter believes that the Greenpeace "Rainbow Warriors" know all about the rainbows in the sky. They probably also know of geoengineering studies to reduce incoming sunlight and slow global warming issued by the National Academy of Sciences. "And they may even have taken a look at the Welsbach Patent," he writes. "But they have no idea what conclusions to draw from the chessboard pattern suspended in the Hamburg sky or the aluminium-enriched 'rainbows'.

"Supposing the word 'chemtrails' appeared in print in the Greenpeace Magazine," Stetter speculates. "How many tens of thousands of people more would look up into the sky and recognize that the supposedly Utopian "proposal" has long moved on via "spraying trials" to a systematic, long-term spreading of cloud cover over the whole of Europe?"

Back in Basel, Gabriel Stetter quoted unsourced opinion polls showing that in this "stronghold" of chemtrails believers, one in ten people "have already heard of them despite the media blackout. Several thousand people in the prosperous town at the bend in the Rhine know that the chemtrails phenomenon suggests that something is seriously wrong."

Among these Swiss chemtrails activists, he explained, "are well-to-do people, who because of their environmental awareness have been for a long time, in some cases for decades, members of Greenpeace."

Not any more.

"Veteran anti-nuclear activists, campaigners for animal welfare or against electrosmog-in their alarm they had all turned to Greenpeace because of the chemtrails, which are visible everywhere in the skies above Basel. But a painful experience awaited all of them. They were palmed off with the same unsatisfactory answers that we have by now grown tired of hearing. The consequence drawn by these elderly, well-to-do activists from Greenpeace's lack of interest was the immediate cancellation of membership of many years, the withdrawal of legacies, and the withholding of payments to Greenpeace until further notice."

As Brian Holmes notes on his website, www.holmestead.ca, the October 2004 issue #131 of the Raum + Zeit contained many pages of letters from readers responding positively to Stetter's first article in issue #127. "Many of these letters are illustrated with color photographs supplied by the readers themselves."


Former six-year a board member of Greenpeace Germany, Monika Griefahn chaired the Committee for Culture and Media of the Federal German Parliament when she replied to a letter from two chemtrails dissenters in July 2004, stating, "I am in basic agreement with your concerns. Instead of making a concerted and determined effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions throughout the world, experiments of various kinds are being carried out in the earth's atmosphere in order to cure the symptoms."




SOURCE: www.rense.com...

GERMAN PARLIMENTARTIAN "ADMITS" CHEMTRAIL

Former six-year a board member of Greenpeace Germany, Monika Griefahn chaired the Committee for Culture and Media of the Federal German Parliament when she replied to a letter from two chemtrails dissenters in July 2004, stating, "I am in basic agreement with your concerns. Instead of making a concerted and determined effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions throughout the world, experiments of various kinds are being carried out in the earth's atmosphere in order to cure the symptoms."

After assuring her correspondents, "I share your concern over the use of aluminium or barium compounds which have a considerable toxic potential," the parliamentarian went on to say, "however, so far as I am aware the extent of their use is so far minimal."

"At last!" Stetter announced in the German science magazine. "There we have it. In the skies of Germany, so Social Democratic member of Parliament Monika Griefahn tells us, aluminium and barium compounds are being spread just as tens of thousands of concerned citizens have observed, documented and bitterly deplored."

Thanking the Honorable Griefahn her for her courage, Stetter suggested, "Maybe one day statues of politicians like Monika Griefahn or the equally plucky US Congressman Dennis Kucinich will adorn in marble splendor the squares of newly verdant German or American cities."

That would be nice.

But the public outcry in Europe will have to spread to North America if we are to stop this massive, illegal and continuing air and atmospheric pollution.

Excerpted from Convergence Weekly.




SOURCE: www.rense.com...

excellent effort selfless
keep up that enlightening flow of info...

Those who may not be up to date with the chemtrail issue might check out these


www.rense.com...

www.chemtrailcentral.com...

Originally posted by selfless
AIR FORCE INSIDER DESCRIBES WEATHER MOD MISSIONS

An active duty air force crew chief has described environmental combat missions already being flown by specially-outfitted C-130 Hercules transports, which can be reloaded, refueled and relaunched in just 10 minutes to continue their assault on violent storms afflicting US communities. Flown by regular air force pilots, these "science flights" include onboard meteorologists, who painstakingly log the results of each mission.

Big storm fronts and hurricanes require a vast amount of absorbent chemicals to reduce their destructive power. To achieve the fast turn-around times needed to complete their missions, flights of returning C-130s taxi to a stop and immediately commence refueling as the empty onboard spray canister is removed. as soon as the empty canister is clear of the aircraft, a waiting truck wheels a semi-trailer-size container of sky-seeding chemicals to the plane's lowered rear ramp, where it is slid inside on rails like a gigantic "soda dispenser".

The crew chief added that other spray missions spread (barium) chemtrails to facilitate 3D radar mapping of the entire continental United States. He also said that the air force has been spraying storm fronts "for a long time". The military's main interest, he added, is experimentation aimed at gaining control of the weather for military use.

Did the air force spray this year's first Caribbean hurricane, in which the western quadrant disintegrated just before making its Texas landfall? "There's no reason they wouldn't," the crew chief replied.

But C-130 turboprops would not necessarily be used to try to influence hurricanes that typically release more energy than all atomic arsenals combined. Referring to the 757s recently modified for aerial spraying, the crew chief told willthomas.net, "We've got them, but I can't talk about them."

He added that many people in the air force "are aware of William Thomas" and his reporting on chemtrails. The crew chief confirmed that this reporter "has it mostly right" concerning the application and purposes behind chemtrails. But would not elaborate on my reporting.






SOURCE: www.rense.com...

Ok, first of all, "rense.com" is about the furthest thing from a credible source. You'd get more believable information from "big-fat-liars.com".

Now, on to what I know for a fact. If you remember from our discussion in an earlier thread, I flew C-130's for the USAF for more than 20 years. This "article" and the claims therein are a total fabrication. Let me explain.

First, the fabrication claims that these so called "environmental combat missions" are capable of being "reloaded, refueled and relaunched in just 10 minutes". Absolutely, positively, and unequivocally impossible. Why? Refueling a C-130 alone takes much more time. Just to taxi in off the runway and shut down engines takes 10 minutes. Then there is positioning the fuel truck, or the pump if you happen to be over a fuel pit, and then the refuel operation itself. Anybody know how much fuel a C-130 takes on? 60,000 plus pounds, depending on the model and whether or not it has foam in the tanks. Then there is roll up, before starting engines checklist, starting engines checklist, before taxi checklist, the taxi to the runway, before takeoff checklist....get the picture? We haven't even discussed the reloading, even considering that concurrent refueling is a possibility. This guy, whoever wrote this bunch of horse biscuits, doesn't have a CLUE as to what it takes to get a C-130 into the air.

Then the guy talks about recently modified 757's, but says, "We've got them, but I can't talk about them."

Well, why the hell not???

He supposedly just committed high treason by disclosing what would be a top secret program. Why would he stop at the C-130's and not spill the beans about fictitious 757's???

Sorry, selfless. Nice try, no cigar. Absolute balderdash, but nice try.


[edit on 16-10-2006 by Affirmative Reaction]

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction

Sorry, selfless. Nice try, no cigar. Absolute balderdash, but nice try.


[edit on 16-10-2006 by Affirmative Reaction]

Haha, it is not a matter of try my friend, i just posted an outside source of a interesting read either take it as a possibility or don't.

You must understand that i am not here to ''try'' to prove chemtrails are real, im not a debunker fanatic, my intentions is to help and not to get personal satisfaction out of a debate.

Thank you.

Excellent information!

I can see that there are still individuals like Howard, Essan and Nygdan who endeavor, ineffectively, to act as the voice of reason by inserting posts that don't further their argument, but instead simply repeat a contradictory position. Simply posting one-line, sometimes insulting posts have undermined the questionable intentions of the waning anti-chemtrail demographic. What is gained by making insulting, substanceless statements? It's simply antagonistic.

I understand that one may speak out against a subject and people that some might consider alarmist; if for nothing but to prevent incorrect, misleading, or false information unnecessarily alarming the public. But the majority of the people concerned about this subject are sincere, and their numbers are quickly growing. One has to ask themselves why.

The amount of supportive information, expert, professional witnesses, physical, scientific proof, and the growing general consensus is mounting against the anti, or non-chemtrail believers to the point that your diminutive, meaningless posts are in danger of becoming wiped from the field of this argument for good. Personal opinion, insults, and a failure to address the specific issues being considered only show the unassailability of the facts, and the growing support of the reality of this phenomena.

And call them chemtrails, contrails, or feul dumping, the behavior of the emissions of these aircraft is making people around the world take notice and become very, very concerned. If there is nothing to this, and these are regular contrails that have been around for decades, why are people by the thousands growing concerned about something as mundane and familiar as commercial aircraft engine condensation?

The people that are arguing against the chemtrail position keep repeating the process of how condensation is formed. Yes, we've heard you. Chemtrails and contrails look the same - which is why people who are against the chemtrail theory have repeated the condensation process until they're blue in the face.

Chemtrail spraying most likely shares, or exploits this process, because the streams would mimic and be virtually identical to regular contrails. This would allow the deviant public entity to spray over any heavily populated area seemingly without notice. If they were asked about the new, different contrails, they could respond, as officials have already done, by again repeating the process that forms contrails.

Thank you for the high school lesson in water moisture. Now let us, the concerned citizens, show you how your "contrails" affect the weather in dangerous, unnatural ways, sicken people, effect drought, harm livestock, rain weblike fibrous materials onto the ground, contaminating food and water supplies, then follow that up with a quick lesson on the legalities of experimenting with chemicals over a human population without regard for health statutes, or human life.

Does our U.S. government or military now, or have they ever shown concern for U.S. law, human rights, or the value of a human life without the forceful legal direction, or outcry of the ACLU, FDA, NAACP? I suggest not. And I further suggest that if you don't admit to, or if you deny a program exists (kind of like ufos, despite moutains of documentation proving the contrary), then there doesn't appear to be anything to be held accountable for.

Machiavelli said it best in The Art of War, "No enterprise is more likely to succeed
than one concealed from the enemy until it is ripe for execution." He'd have a lot to say about our current government...

From doing a little research it seems that the higher the humidity and the lower the plane flys the longer a contrail will stay in the air, where as the higher and less humid it disipates? If the plane leaving a contrail where to change altitude it would stop creating one..

I have sat in planes behind the wings.. I have never seen gel or spray flying out of the engines, and never have I seen a little hose spraying anything.

There has never been a credible mass outbreak of any disease related to chemtrails.

There is no point in chemtrails... kill us all? Ok... and the government will do what.. serve its self?

Logic says your bordering on a line between fantasy and being paranoid.

I just want your personal excuse.. I mean reason.. as to why the government is .. spraying? Us with chemicals or biological agents?

Don't post from some source that is not credible. Your OP please.

Please stop laughing at people with "hahaha" - it is an opinion and a shaky theory with little back it up.. obviously you see why there are skeptics?

[edit on 10/16/2006 by Rockpuck]

info - and i suppose nothing to do with chem trails - the idea of a canister being loaded into the cargo space of the C130 is nothing new - there is an operation in the UK called Oil Spill Response (OSSRC) who do this precisly to load chems to disppurse oil spills (odd enough ifog). Their fleet includes a C130 and an Illyusion bothe with spray boom technology. However the point of this tech is low alltitude tight spray - one comment from a guy with them was - "after the flight your could pick twigs and leaves off the plane - we were that low"

Not sure this helps but thought that this is where the idea has come from.