John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Looks like Nessie has desertd Scotland and headed for the moon!

Seriously, is this mining kit or what?

Originally posted by johnlear
As I mentioned before, in the middle 90's I went to Powell's bookstore in Portland Oregon and purchased every single book published by NASA or that contained pictures of the moon. It is getting more difficult to find these old books but it is still possible.

I was wondering about that! I do a lot of work next door to them and all I found was a dearth of good Lunar photos...

I found a French website that was displaying an anomaly that I had to share here. Hope they don’t mind. Here’s a link to their website for credit:

photovni.free.fr...

Here’s the anomaly. If this photo doesn’t get you thinking, nothing will...



Here’s a link to the original hi-res photo:

www.hq.nasa.gov...

The French website has a few other interesting finds.

found something interesting in that french image:

snake's head

Originally posted by johnlear

This picture of AS8-12-2209 came from, get ready for this: a book called "Astronomy" written by none other than Donald H. Menzel, one of the original MJ-12 members, and published by Random House.

Thanks for the reference, John. I'm going looking for old books


I also have an observation on the referenced pic.

It looks like that tube (walkway) is curved around a parked peekaboo.



Spaceport terminal perhaps?

Originally posted by Zarniwoop

Originally posted by johnlear

This picture of AS8-12-2209 came from, get ready for this: a book called "Astronomy" written by none other than Donald H. Menzel, one of the original MJ-12 members, and published by Random House.

Thanks for the reference, John. I'm going looking for old books

I also have an observation on the referenced pic.

It looks like that tube (walkway) is curved around a parked peekaboo.

Spaceport terminal perhaps?

Yes, thanks John for that reference too... I have already started my search for pre 71 lunar books as well...

Zarniwoop, that is a pretty good observation all right. I didn't see it there at all until you mentioned that. It sure does look like that "pipe" goes around half circle, and it sure does look like a saucer floating in there...
Someone earlier I think mentioned that they thought the whole apparatus was hovering too. Great stuff...

Originally posted by papajake

Here’s the anomaly. If this photo doesn’t get you thinking, nothing will...

Way to Go Papajake!! That one is amazing! Lets hear from the "rock and shadow" crowd on THIS one!!

I will put together a page. It is after all a NASA image

Originally posted by Zarniwoop

It looks like that tube (walkway) is curved around a parked peekaboo.

Yep it sure does. You never sent me the other ones, don't make me go and hunt them again...

[edit on 17-3-2007 by zorgon]

it's ANOTHER peekaboo! What in the sam hill?!!

If someone can locate John Lear's "Soul Collector" I'd like to see it.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Zarniwoop

It looks like that tube (walkway) is curved around a parked peekaboo.

Yep it sure does. You never sent me the other ones, don't make me go and hunt them again...

[edit on 17-3-2007 by zorgon]

OK. I sent 'em

I'll look for more



[edit on 17-3-2007 by Zarniwoop]

The skeptics are going to be hard pressed to call this one a "trick of light and shadow" or "its just a rock" In the main anomaly detailed below you can see two round cylinders with a serrated but symmetrical edge. One is partially buried. In the second one (B) you can see a very obvious gear on a shaft, with a flat flange or mounting bracket at the top. The overall impression is that of two pieces that belong together, with the gear shaped object being on the inside of the cylinder.

This is a detail of the one Papajake brought to the table...

take the time to download the original and examine this closely yourself. I think this is a "skeptic buster"

Oh and NASA calls this one "House Rock"

"View of House Rock from John's Station 11 pan. Smoky Mountain in the background."











[edit on 17-3-2007 by zorgon]

Other than the fact that this looks like a baseball just knocked out a bird... the markings and shape of these two objects is intriguing. But the fact that these curved and round objects are casting rectangular shadows is puzzling... especially as the other shadows around the objects are normal

But I am confident our shadow experts will explain that to us

:shk:







[edit on 17-3-2007 by zorgon]

I'm not shadow expert, but (aside from the round objects with square shadows) this looks strange.

At the bottom of the pic, the light source looks to be directed straight toward the camera.



Then if you pan up, the light seems to be coming from the right side and casting a a left shadow.



Could be some trick of light/angles I guess. Again... not a shadow expert

A just read a novel, a fantasy adventure set in the 30's, that revolves around the infamous Babe Ruth homer, the one where he points his bat to indicate where he's going to hit the ball. You know. Anyway, in the story the baseball explodes of Ruth's bat and arcs across the sky and doesn't come down. It travels toward California.

Like I said, it's a fantasy. But there's these great characters in the novel, including an orphan who wants to catch the ball, a dance hall girl escaping the wrath of Al Capone, and a scientist who thinks the baseball is a Martian spacecraft. Different people from different parts of life. At one point in the story, while traveling in the box car of a train, they all look up at this baseball, spacecraft, whatever, that is streaking across the sky like a comet, and they all say that the object is something completely different.

It had me thinking about this thread and it made me really analyze my thoughts on everything, how it all began, how great it was for John Lear to post the moon photos and allow us "everyday nobodys" to help in what could be the biggest discovery in the history of mankind, and to the tireless efforts of Zorgon and Undo and everyone else that has contributed here, and the main thought that I had, the actual bottom line of the whole thing is this: What really happened to that Babe Ruth homer?

It's right here:



Actually, everything I wrote is true, except for the Babe Ruth homer on the moon.

[edit on 17-3-2007 by papajake]

[edit on 17-3-2007 by papajake]

Originally posted by Zarniwoop

At the bottom of the pic, the light source looks to be directed straight toward the camera.

DOH!! Missed that... not bad for not being a shadow expert I go look at it again. Nice catch

The more I look at the baseball photo, the more it looks like the area was hit by a massive explosion.

Check out the oddities in this rock, which sits toward the front of the photo:



To me, it looks like levers and such, just mangleg to near nothingness. Whatever it is, it appears very old.

Also, what is the subject matter in the original photo? If you're going to travel 250,000 miles away from home, you'd sure better have a good subject matter in your lense when taking photos. This photo, at first glance, just looks like a bunch of rocks. But something is very off here, in my opinion.

[edit on 17-3-2007 by papajake]

I'm beginning to seriously wonder what things might be going on on the Lunar surface. If we all remember, I was one of the staunchest protestors to this idea some 110 pages ago. Now, I'm not so sure...

After having seen the AS11-41-6156 image posted several pages before, I saved it to look at in more depth.

It was only about 5 minutes ago that I spotted something sticking out at me. Now, I don't know if this has been mentioned before or not, and I'm not going to go back and reread these 115 pages to find out, heh. If it has, then I apologize. This "thing", for lack of a better word, is sitting beside the big crater just left of center in the image referenced above. If you zoom in enough, you'll see what appears to be a squareish outcropping, with what appears to be a shadow being cast below it. Now, I'm not sure that this isn't just a "trick of light and shadow", to use the phrase coined by NASA back in '76. Now that by itself isn't usually enough to merit my bothering to notice it. What really got me interested was what appeared to be a straight post sticking up out of the center of it... Support beam of some kind perhaps?

I know this is just shear speculation, as all the past pages have been, but there's mounting evidence to something amazing going on there, and when this hits mainstream media sources, it will be a great day for all of UFOlogy, as well as many historians worldwide.

Lemme know whatcha think of this...

TheBorg

Originally posted by zorgon
Oh and NASA calls this one "House Rock"

"View of House Rock from John's Station 11 pan. Smoky Mountain in the background."



[edit on 17-3-2007 by zorgon]

zorgon,

It's quite possible that that could be the remnants of a previously failed mission to the moon. It may be the crash debris from the craft, if it crashed.

Just some thoughts...

TheBorg

Originally posted by zorgon
This is a detail of the one Papajake brought to the table...

take the time to download the original and examine this closely yourself. I think this is a "skeptic buster"

Oh and NASA calls this one "House Rock"

"View of House Rock from John's Station 11 pan. Smoky Mountain in the background."

That does not look like a common rock, it looks like a dirt filled tube.

Originally posted by zorgon
In the second one (B) you can see a very obvious gear on a shaft, with a flat flange or mounting bracket at the top.

Unfortunately (or maybe not), I can not see it. The cylinders/tube its obvious, but to my unimaginative mind, those other things are probably just rocks.

Originally posted by zorgon
But the fact that these curved and round objects are casting rectangular shadows is puzzling... especially as the other shadows around the objects are normal

But I am confident our shadow experts will explain that to us.

I do not consider myself an expert, but I do know that the shape of a shadow does not depend only on the shape of the object casting the shadow, it depends on the surface where the shadow is cast and the relation between that surface and the place from where we see the shadow.

A cylinder lying on the ground with the light shining perpendicular to the longer axis casts a rectangular shadow.

I will try to show what I mean with some examples.

This was the best I could do in some minutes.

As you can see, the shadow looks "normal" in this photo. That is because the surface where the shadow is projected is flat.

In this one, because the surface where the shadow is projected is not flat the shadow changes shape. This was the best I could do to try to make a rectangular shadow, to do a better job I would need something more flexible than paper to create that surface and probably take the picture from a different angle.

In this you can see that the shape of the shadow can be almost anything, the object has remained the same but the surface where the shadow is projected is different, giving a different shadow.

This is why I never trust shadows to try to see the shape of and object, unless I am sure of the characteristics of the surface where the shadow is cast.

Originally posted by papajake
I found a French website that was displaying an anomaly that I had to share here. Hope they don’t mind. Here’s a link to their website for credit:

photovni.free.fr...

Here’s the anomaly. If this photo doesn’t get you thinking, nothing will...



Here’s a link to the original hi-res photo:

www.hq.nasa.gov...

The French website has a few other interesting finds.

Wow...

This thread is getting better every day. That looks really strange.