5 ton coke bust- planes owners- Tom Delays appointee, and CIA?

Glad to be of some help.

I will keep looking.

Here a interesting quote on Red Sea's Jonathan Curshen:

Another trader in Florida who is now working alongside the government in trying to bring the larger naked short selling cartels to justice had a similar experience. The man will have to remain anonymous here, but this is his story. He brought down Elgindy by having his secretaries copy every page on Elgindy's private site for years. He has been planted in Red Sea Management seminars and recorded the manager of the company stating that he uses naked short selling to kill small companies and would kill anyone in the room who ever spread the news. That manager is Jonathan Curshen, an American who was trained as a broker in Vancouver before eventually seeking diplomatic status in Costa Rica - which he has been granted. His offices are on the top two floors of the Israeli embassy in Costa Rica and his body guard is the head of security for the embassy. He has risked his life to help government agencies gather evidence on the cartels, this is another consequence of naked short selling. source

Our little boy also seems to be Honorary Consul General in Costa Rica what could account for the diplomatic status he has.

To add even more juice to this story -that already has juice pouring out on all sides- I direct you to Master Jon's postings on Usenet's alt.personals.bondage (Google groups). To give a small preview, Curshen under alias MiamiJon: "We had two different maid/slaves over the past 5 years."...

And as a little bonus: I noticed web sites linked to in comment spam in guest books, blogs etc. often are related to the online casino operations of Red Sea Management and some linked to Curshen personally.

Agonizer, I look forward to your contributions, so much so that I have put down my fictional readings to peruse your contributions--proving truth is indeed stranger than fiction. What a thread Dgtempe started! Delay appointing Kovar to Business Advisory Council chairman is akin to appointing Satan to pastor a church.

Anthony Elgindy a guy associated with Curshen apparently is suggested to have had foreknowledge about the 9-11 attacks. How come this doesn't surprise me?

Pair accused of fraud in short-selling scheme
NEW YORK - Stock picker Anthony Elgindy was convicted of racketeering and fraud yesterday for parlaying illegal tips from an FBI agent into trading profits by short-selling stocks of companies under government investigation. Elgindy, 36, who also went by the name Anthony Pacific, was convicted by a federal jury in Brooklyn, N.Y., after four days of deliberations in a trial that began in November. The former agent, Jeffrey Royer, 41, also was convicted. The two men could face 10 to 20 years in prison. ...After his arrest in May 2002, federal prosecutors suggested that Elgindy may have had advance knowledge of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks because he had predicted beforehand that the stock market would collapse and had tried to sell stock in his children's trust funds. Royer was accused of tipping Elgindy to an FBI probe into whether the Egyptian-born trader knew about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks before they occurred. That investigation did not result in charges against Elgindy, but jurors heard references to it throughout the trial. Elgindy's attorneys said they would examine the issue as they began to plan an appeal. source

Ok, here comes the next step. Bare with me..

As earlier noted Sky Way's mysterious 'duPont investment fund' is linked to Red Sea Management's address in Costa Rica.

This PDF document describes the ties between Canadian Stephen Taub and David Ricci of Red Sea management. Red Sea management works on referral only basis. Stephen Taub referred Red Sea to Rakesh Saxena, a man who embezzled $88M from a bank in Thailand.

The same document says that Stephen Taub is also involved in establishing an offshore corporate account for Qaiser Imran. Qaiser Imran is brother of Rubina Khan, who is the wife of banned stock promoter Rafi Khan.

Rafi Khan was involved in pumping-up Khashoggi's GenesisIntermedia stock prices. This scheme happened around 9-11. The plot depended upon foreknowledge of the Wall Street stock tumble that would follow the destruction of the Trade Center towers.
link, link

So next to Elgindy again there is strong indication of foreknowledge of the 9-11 attacks. Interestingly both cases involve people who operate in the same small circle of people. It's Red Sea Management who connects them.

OK, Agonizer, this is the same Adnan Khashoggi from Iran-Contra sales. Interesting. What a trail of crooks and scum. And these people have had connections with U.S. government and military contractors over the years. Hmmmmm, and Bush Sr.'s name comes up again.

compliments to you both...

I am not surprised to find a trail of blood and gore flowing from the doors of red sea, and other connectors involved...

I was searching for Bank connections, and found Wells Fargo has had several dealings with government entities, and also seems to loan the CIA jets for rendition flights as well...

Does that mean that Wells Fargo is a CIA front? Not likely, but it does show that the CIA has connections to all these entities. They can call in favors, and direct actions with nothing touching them physically.

In regards to your info... I think you will find, that organized crime, and CIA, and notable overseas money men, seem to have joined forces decades ago, in an attempt to utilize the various CIA ops, as a profitable sanctioned business open for investment.

I lose track of where the deal goes from being a confirmed CIA black op, to being profitable for an organized crime boss...
because it is both...

just like afghan opium dealing... warlords may get rich, but it doesn't mean that the CIA isn't muling for them...

A new Hopsicker article is out. A must read!

to give a few points that need to be quoted...

Adnan K is the financier for 911 truth movement... (a disinfo campaign apparently)

He is connected to this, and perhaps 9-11..

there are perhaps as many as 1200 Psi-ops agents with the special task of confusing the issue of 9-11... and perhaps anything CIA leak related...

the lengths and depths...
just pathetic... and scary...

I guess this keeps circling the 9-11 drain... I knew my nose was leading me to that for a reason...

next step... figuring out, how a well financed global power, convinces the terrorists to sacrifice themselves...
(or people who look like the terrorists)

[edit on 17-5-2006 by LazarusTheLong]

While the whole connection to the 9/11 truth movement fits in well with my personal theory, I haven't seen enough evidence to believe it 100% yet. Certainly fits, but it'd be good if it was more than speculation at this point.

Not that I distrust Hopsicker after pretty much everything else he's said has turned out true, but it's just that when one is dealing with something this big and potentially world changing, one wants to make sure everything is true.

Yes logan...
I agree that at this point, we need to be vigilant to the pursuit of truth... and accept nothing as base fact, without checking.

the wolves are in play, the sheep should fear any strange "BAHHHS", coming their way...

I think an active disinfo campaign is already underway, and the various angles being taken by various indy reporters is indicative of this...

Lets not forget how the Rove indictment story bounced back to hurt the ONE reporter who was relentlessly pursueing the truth...

We dont want that kind of debunk to happen to Mr Hopsicker.


[edit on 18-5-2006 by LazarusTheLong]

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong

next step... figuring out, how a well financed global power, convinces the terrorists to sacrifice themselves...
(or people who look like the terrorists)

[edit on 17-5-2006 by LazarusTheLong]

Food for thought, consider the links to CIA and these planes (and others perhaps), the facilities for flight training, same people involved, and the military\government excercises occurring on 911.

Perhaps Atta and others were trained to fly these planes, and they felt they were legitmately on a military\government excercise with no idea that the planes would actually be used in an attack. Perhaps a beacon and auto-pilot engagement on the flights that hit the towers could explain the precision in their ability to hit those targets so perfectly and it goes a ways to explain how the alleged poorly skilled hijackers would be able to pull off the feat.

The WTC 1993 bombings would possibly even set precedent for FBI\CIA assets being told one thing and then realizing that the safe\harmless plan was allowed to become something very real.

en.wikipedia.org...

"After the bombing, Salem claimed that the FBI knew about the bombing plot, and agreed to foil it by supplying fake explosives to him. Salem taped his telephone conversations with FBI agents. Those tapes were provided to defense lawyers, although they were not used in the trial."

"Salem, initially believing that this was to be a sting operation, claimed that the FBI's original plan was for Salem to supply the conspirators with a harmless powder instead of actual explosive to build their bomb, but that the FBI chose to use him for other purposes instead. [1] He secretly recorded hundreds of hours of telephone conversations with his FBI handlers, made during discussions held after the bombings. They are currrently in possession of the FBI."

Not trying to pollute the thread with unsubstantiated musing, because I sincerely highly respect the investigative talent in play here. Just my .2c. It almost seems too complete of a tie-in with other theories, like the piece of thread that unravels the whole rug. Fascinating nonetheless.

I would love to contribute what I could to substantiate things if you guys could give me some suggestions on what paths (names, companies you haven't had time to check into) to travel down. I'm still curious what has actually been done with the inital 5.5 tons, but I think the financial tie-ins of companies and people is the most available and interesting of the leads so far.

The term is refered to as Agent Provacateur.

The exact thing you hint at is what happened with the OKC murrah bombing...
FBI agents were going after elohim city, and didn't realize that while elohim was too scared to fall for the setup, an occassional visitor liked the idea, and ran with it instead...

I also dont want to distract from the thread, but merely to show the various ways best laid plans can surprise even the originators...
and that indeed,
setups do happen, and usually dont go the way they plan...

When looking at Emad Salem (mp3) and the WTC bombing in 1993, you must also take a look at Ali Mohamed from the 1998 East Africa embassy bombings. Double or even tripple agent Ali Mohamed seemed to talk a little bit too much like a canary to his FBI interrogators. Among things he testified was that he personally trained the '93 WTC bombers. FBI agent Anticev who was Emad Salem's handler did the interrogation of Ali Mohamed. When Ali Mohamed got arrested in Canada, around the time of the '93 WTC bombing, one phone call to his FBI handler was enough to get him released. Read through the court documents and articles from around that time, and I wonder if you guys get the same impression as I got from it. The brother of Anticev, also FBI Al Qaeda specialist, amazingly had no information on the USS Cole bombing, when he testified in the Moussaoui court case.

[edit on 18-5-2006 by agonizer]

Haven't checked this thread for a while, but I'm now so glad I joined ATS and you guys rock.

Seeing the mention of the name Adnan Khashoggi was interesting though. He used to be mentioned in Private Eye back in the seventies as a dodgy arms dealer. To hear that he finances the 9/11 truth movement is kind of a shock. I read Hopsicker's article and thought I'd check it out.

He seems to have a beef with Ruppert. I've watched fromthewilderness grow into quite the slick operation and I'm not sure I agree with Ruppert on everything, but it did point me at some good stuff. I then went to the 9/11 truth site and it pointed me at a film called "Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime", which I'm now a few minutes into.

Neither the 911 truth site nor the film seem to be the wacky nutjob magnets that Hopsicker suggests. And the film, I'm ten minutes in and it's just mentioned a big heroin bust on a plane owned by Huffman Aviation...

Does anyone have any confirmation that links Khashoggi to 911truth? If you haven't got time, don't worry, I'll probably do some digging myself. It just seems a little unlikely that, from what I've seen so far, 911truth is a disinfo site. I guess my attitude about this is that whatever makes people wake up and question the events of that day is good, although those people who bang on about missiles shot from the planes do shake my faith in that strategy.

And the more I look the more it seems that Jeb Bush is kind of a central figure. I'd thought he was a dingus like his brother, but I'm beginning to suspect that he's got more going on than meets the eye.

Anyway, great work, and if I had more votes, you guys would get 'em.

Hey rich,in answer to your comment:
nope Jeb is the smartone...
great with banking transactions in central america...

If you can track down the Adnan links, that would be great...

at this point, i am wondering if Daniel has already fallen for a "rove rap" setup, by connecting these people, with limited info...

John Gray was a speaker at a 9-11 truth meeting. I don't know whether he sponsored the event in any way or influenced or worked with other participants.

GenesisIntermedia, a Khashoggi firm carried John Gray's products. As mentioned (here).

Short bio of Khashoggi.

If your browser allows it, turn off referrer logging, this enables you to browse and search through SEC filings here. Some options do still require registering and logging in, but without referrer you are allowed more.

Ramy El-Batrawi is listed here as registered agent of Genesis Aviation.

Getting back to Sky Way: Glenn Kovar is listed in some documents as: Capt. Glenn Kovar

I'm feeling a bit out of my depth here. All I've done is flip through Google and try to distil what I found. SEC reports are way out of my league. However...

AK has recently found himself in trouble.

And more on the same.

Here is his Wikipeidia entry.

I’d forgotten that AK was a prominent middleman in Iran-Contra. That was a fascinating deal, and shows how complex things can get if your abiding ethos is summed up as “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”.

I never knew he was Al-Fayed’s brother-in-law. More importantly, he was once GHWB’s business partner in a gold mining company investigated by Greg Palast.

Co-operative Research’s profile.

Here is a rather interesting site in which one can get a very detailed, if eye-wateringly tiny, diagram of AKs connections. Scroll down and click on the pink link.

And here
is an excellent graphic of AK's prime connections, with links.

AHA. Here’s the first article I’ve found that links Khashoggi with the 9/11 Enquiry, and the source for this is Michael Chussodovsky, whose site I’ve been a fan of for some time. Unfortunately when I tried searching the site for references to AK the search function didn't seem to work.

This article links AK with the supposedly Chechen terrorist bombings in Moscow:

"It is clear that apartment explosions in Moscow would not have happened if
somebody in the Russian political elite did not want them," Novaya Gazeta
opined on January 24, 2000. "One by one, pieces of puzzle were put together.
But there were a few details that were lacking. They began to clear in
January, when Zhirinovsky and Chubais finally broke up. And at the same
time, some of the participants started to tell their version of events. In
the Versiya newspaper, there was an article about the meeting of [Alexander]
Voloshin with [Shamil] Basayev in France." Basayev was the radical Muslim
leader who planned the violence on Dagestan. "This did not happen in Paris,
as some of the newspapers reported later, but on the villa of Adnan
Khashoggi, Arabic millionaire, on the Mediterranean."
French intelligence agents monitored the meeting and details surfaced in
the public print. Khashoggi denied that he had attended the meeting. But Its
main participants - Anton Surikov, "formerly" of Army special forces, and
Aleksandr Voloshin, Yeltsin's Chief of Staff - offered no comment. When
reporters asked Surikov, he claimed that he hadn't travelled abroad in
years, especially not to France. This did not quite square with the public
record, however, Just a few months before, he was in Washington, D.C. to
meet with Yuri Maslukov, Russia's deputy prime minister, and Michel
Camdessus, managing director of the IMF. Surikov had also flown to France on
a couple of occasions - once in December 1994, and again in the summer of
1999. He had departed on June 23 aboard an Aeroflot bound for Paris, in
fact, and returned from Nice on July 21, nearly a month later.

He has been the middleman between the US and Saudi Arabia in arms deals for decades, but I can remember this Seymour Hersh article about Khashoggi, Richard Perle, and Trireme :

Khashoggi professes to be amused by the activities of Perle and Hillman as members of the policy board. As Khashoggi saw it, Trireme’s business potential depended on a war in Iraq taking place. “If there is no war,” he told me, “why is there a need for security? If there is a war, of course, billions of dollars will have to be spent.” He commented, “You Americans blind yourself with your high integrity and your democratic morality against peddling influence, but they were peddling influence.”

That's it for now. I'm off to bed. Enjoy the links.

We wandered far off from the N900SA. And I myself am partly to blame.

I think we should focus on the DC-9 that got confiscated in Mexico. Allegedly sold to a still unknown party in Venezuela by/through Royal Sons and Corrales & Associates and a few days later ending up flying a 100 million dollar load of coc aine from Colombia to Mexico. Both parties have refused to name the party they claim they sold the plane to. They must have their reasons for this, but this certainly doesn't remove the suspicion from them. In 2004 the other plane that got confiscated in Venezuela -while painted with false tail number of N168D- was before export registered to Sky Way Aircraft Inc. Sky Way was also the former owner of the N900SA confiscated in 2006. Royal Sons and Sky Way did business and a shareholder in Sky Way is related to Royal Sons.

That sums up what I believe everybody agrees with.

The question now is: Is it just coincidence or not, that aircrafts sold in 2004 and 2006 by related parties ended up in the hands of narcotics traffickers?

Next to that the false registration of N168D used in 2004 requires some explanation. AFAIK it became public knowledge in 2005 that this registration was in use by the CIA. I didn't find any earlier dating references on the internet, but of course this number could have been known in aviation circles. I question, however, the amount of cover this registration provided in Venezuela, in 2004. But maybe in other countries it worked like a charm.

I the mean time I found out Richard DuPont, behind the DuPont investment fund does seem to exist. According to SEC filings the same Richard M. Dupont was/is CEO at Source Services Corp. With a traceable person behind the offshore investor it seems the dealings with Red Sea Management could be legitimate. Red Sea Management does business with murky people but that doesn't necessarily mean all their business is murky.

The question remaining is was Sky Way's business an empty shell, with no genuine business activities involved in a pump and dump scheme, as many observers seem to agree about. Or did it have a promising future, as Richard Dupont must have believed, if indeed he was a legitimate investor, when he as magically appearing savior injected $7 million -including a DC-9- in troubled Sky Way, in 2004?

Joseph Cannon of cannonfire.blogspot.com has a new posting up: Skyway: Mind-blowing!

Here part 1 and part 2 of a Hopsicker interview.