What is making us NOT fight back?

US, Canada, Brittain, Austrailia and other countries - rights and freedoms are being taken away at a steady pace.

Eaves dropping

Email reading

Freedom of speech

Pariot Act

National Biometric ID

Detainment changes

No warrant search and seisure

Road blocks

Immigration

Free trade

Federal Reserve

Bush signing laws without houses ok

Protesters jailed

Media hushed

No more privacy


You could a LOT more to this list, yet no one is stopping it. No one can even slow it down. No one is fighting it. Almost everyone is just letting it happen.

Why?

There is no fight in people anymore. Plenty of complaining, but no action. Bush would have been impeached years ago if this were in the early 20th century. Folks would have been fuming angry.

We're all guilty of doing nothing or not enough - even myself. Writing our congressmen does nothing. Protesting has been pushed away from the ears that need to hear it. Less are protesting because we are being jailed and no one wants the hassle.

What is causing us to have no fight within us anymore? Is it something in our food? the air? elcromagnetic frequencies? the water? our shampoo? Is it a lifestyle where no longer the man can make enough to support a family? Is it brainwashing from the television/radio?

This site was put together to educate and help MANY more people see what is really going on in so many area's. ATS has really opened my eyes in my 2 years of membership.

Yet we continue to complain about what our leaders are doing and almost never hear of something good from them.

Our growing group is labelled crazy, conspiracy theorists and even terrorists. Yet we are the ones that should be the true patriots.

We still call ourselves 'free' while folks are being jailed for words that come from their mouths. While our telephone conversations could be recorded. While our internet habits are monitored. While we getting pulled over and searched while violating no laws. While (add your action here).

What is going on? Our leaders would have never gotten away with this crap 60 years ago. Why are they today? I think it is possible that there is something going on that is making us passive, laying back and doing nothing. I don't know what it is though.

How could millions/billions of people loose their fighting spirit in half a cetury?

Why are we sleeping? Why am I so tired?

This baffles me too.

I sit here moaning and complaining everyday while the world falls apart. NOBODY i know sees what i see. Or maybe they do but they dont care.
I beleive its denial.

A fellow poster told me she would beleive anything was wrong when she saw the black helicopters flying overhead and an ambush of her house.

Intelligent, educated people, who should see what is going on, do not.

I think to sum things up, that there are those of us who are enlightened but helpless. And there are those who wont come out of denial.
And to those who are in denial i would like to grab them by the neck and say wake up! wake up.
(before its too late) It already is.

Human beings have evolved into passive morons.

Hey hey, don't view these things as limitations of your life! View them as obstacles you must get around to broadcast your message to the world!

This giant backlog of apathy/denial/whatever is still building.
We all see it happening.
Perhaps look at it as an opportunity to "wake-up"? I'm not sure America is ready for a sober awakening - cold turkey; when America does wake she'll be cranky and want truth, justice and blood.
Sooner or later America will commit to repair itself - and it will be a beautiful thing... what does scare me is there doesn't seem to be any mechanism in place in the society to handle such a change/purge/reset.
America will figure it out or it will cease to be American.

I certainly think it's a denial thing. Society has become so dumbed down whilst being fed a constant stream of pulp movies and tv shows. Hell, Tony Blair could probably buy off any perceived uprising by offering everyone a free i-Pod
People feel so comfortable in there own little lives. They'll insist that if the government steps out of line, we just vote them out at the next election. Problem with that viewpoint is that both main parties are just as bad and only the front for the real power brokers, who retain influence and power behind the scenes whoever actually inhabits the halls of government.
People don't like to admit that they don't actually have any real influence over the way their country is run and thus the way they must live. As long as they have the essentials, a new widescreen plasma tv to watch endless reality tv shows and a choice of which luxury toilet rolls to buy then they are happy.

Interesting topic godservant, these are exactly some of my daily thoughts and like yourself I'd really like to know the reasons why? I think alot of it is like dg said. some of it is denial, its only a dream and not really happening, for sure its not a dream and it is happening. I think also that a lot of folks really cant believe that their own country could be really doing these things, and from some that I talk to, they verify just that for me. And then I think there are the ones who see it and just dont know what to do like they forgot how to fight city hall, and then there are the ones who just flat dont care, happy to just sit back and do nothing. And last of all I do believe that there are alot of things going on behind the scenes, things the government dont want us to know, as they take more and more control over the people and our daily lives. Although I do believe that some people are actually starting to wake up and question the state of affairs, so this is a good thing.

Originally posted by Britguy

. . . a new widescreen plasma tv to watch endless reality tv shows and a choice of which luxury toilet rolls to buy then they are happy.

And what more is there to life, may I ask?

A free iPod? Now I'm happy!

If you want to do something, go do what Timothy McVeigh did. Nobody is holding you back. After all he did say something about retaliation for what the U.S. govt. did.

deltaboy, are you really suggesting that dissenters are potential mass murderers, or that we could achieve goals by the use of terrorist activities?

Surely that suggestion should get you a visit from the feds

[edit on 5-4-2006 by Britguy]

Originally posted by deltaboy
If you want to do something, go do what Timothy McVeigh did. Nobody is holding you back. After all he did say something about retaliation for what the U.S. govt. did.

That is so not cool. Many children died in that incident + Timothy is not the reason the bulding partially fell. Remember the un-exploded bombs that were inside the building (but thats another story).

How does killing people, especially people not involved, solve anything?

Not cool at all.

I thought godservent's post was about us, not those who are in denile or "asleep" but us. Those who have researched and discussed the world around us and are aware of the nefarious schemes afoot.

Why havnt we done something about it all?

In my opinion, it is Consumerism/Materialism to the point of becoming a religion. When what you own defines your worth as an individual, the fear of becoming worthless enforces obedience.

What if the war did begin, where is a safe place to put your stuff? You would have to give up nearly everything that you have worked for; the things that you believe define your life. It’s sad, but true. Think about it.

there's a growing minority of people who are ready to stop these diturbing trends towards totalitarianism.

if you havent ever been there check out
www.freedomforceinternational.org

its kind of an anti-conspiricy conspiricy. members get into positions of importance and turn the group mind away from these sorts of things. of course obviously their not strong enough for national intrests yet but with enough people, we can take the world back right from under their noses, and they'll never be any the wiser

if you're looking for people who see whats going on then you can be comforted knowing that most people notice something, however, if you want people who intend to do something about it than you'll be among friends in the freedom force

also they have this nifty little section called "unfiltered news" where they have actuall UNBIASED coverage of the events that the major "news" corporations cover

[edit on 5-4-2006 by Omnipocket]

Originally posted by deltaboy
If you want to do something, go do what Timothy McVeigh did. Nobody is holding you back. After all he did say something about retaliation for what the U.S. govt. did.

Of course deltaboy is being sarcastic here.

But then db, it's not enough to just fill a Ryder truck full of amm.nitrate because that wouldn't destroy solid cement columns like at OKC. Also, you'd need help from someone connected like John Doe #2, who probably makes things a lot easier, if someone is planning to go out in a blaze of glory. John Doe #2 can get your truck positioned perfectly under a day care so you end up looking like a monster instead of the patriot you thought you were, eh? Whatever happened to all those accounts of a third man around the truck in OKC? As I recall, those leads were not followed. Why do you think that is?

On topic, I'd say that the NWO brains correctly predicted what Americans would do, if they were given a glut of liberties. They'd become fat, American Idol experts. And now, satisifed with their own little lives, and their own slice of the "American Dream", there's no reason to get off the couch. I guess my point is that you have to get Americans off the couch first, and that's not easy.

Originally posted by Jonna
In my opinion, it is Consumerism/Materialism to the point of becoming a religion. When what you own defines your worth as an individual, the fear of becoming worthless enforces obedience.

What if the war did begin, where is a safe place to put your stuff? You would have to give up nearly everything that you have worked for; the things that you believe define your life. It’s sad, but true. Think about it.

Ya know, I thnik you are on to something there.

We are (well most are) in debt. Car payments, house payments, credit cards, ect. We don't want to do something that might interupt our comfort or mothods to keep paying.

I have none of those, so there is no stopping me. I like the fact that I can up and go at anytime with minimal loss.

THAT might be it or part of it. TV and radio are always saying BUY BUY BUY!!! And we do.

Protesting groups are getting smaller and smaller to the point where it is ineffective, and this lifestyle might just be the thing that is slowing us down.

Good thinking Jonna.

Those of us that see what is going on, should work towards no debt and include our single self as another number.



What ever happened to these people from the bill of rights:

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Where is this group? Where'd they go? Hospitality Inn?

Excellent post ! I think many people are asking themselves the same questions as those you've posed.

You're right: sixty years ago this situation could never have evolved. A hundred a sixty years ago, no politician or group of politicians would have dared attempt the repressive control of populations as is now occurring.

But maybe I'm wrong. Pearl Harbour for example --- the radar technicians were stood down, apparently, in order the Japanese could launch their fatal attacks. Did those radar technicians come forward? Not even ONE of them? I don't think we can accept that not one of them, or even six of them, did not examine their conscience and decide they must reveal what they knew.

So how come we only learned about the betrayal that was Pearl Harbour, a few years ago? How come for all those decades, we believed that the Japanese had somehow achieved the impossible by bombing Pearl Harbour? How come we didn't ask ourselves: ' Hey ! How the hell did those Japs get so CLOSE to Pearl without being detected???? What the hell were the radar guys doing .... sleeping? '

But we didn't ask, did we? And no one told us. Instead, we watched all the movies and tv shows and books .... and we bought their story: we suspended our critical faculties and simply accepted what we were told and shown.

How come the media of the day didn't ask: ' Hey! How the hell did it happen? What were the radar guys doing?'. And it's interesting, when you think of it, that not ONE of those radar guys' stories made it into the mainstream media of the day? How come the betrayal of Pearl Harbour was not exposed, way back then?

So, the media has been manipulating us a long time, without our even realising it, back then.

Another factor is the 'one in twenty' theory. Apparently, administrators of jails and POW camps, etc., *find* the one in twenty, and isolate them. The one in twenty is the one who initiates action; who motivates the remaining 19; who acts as natural leader. The one in twenty is smarter, more capable, more independently minded than the other 19. The other 19 can be restrained with minimum effort; they are sheep-like, relatively obdedient; are 'followers'. Get rid of the one in twenty, and your job of controlling the other 19 is easy. Perhaps repressive regimes are actively seeking the 'ones in twenty' within our midst. They might find them at protest rallies; in internet forums; etc. They are the first to be picked off. Perhaps they've *already* been picked off, which might account for all us sheepies, just sitting here in confusion and dismay, waiting for our 'leaders' to come and show us what to do to save ourselves ?

Then there's testosterone. It's what makes men fiesty; willing to take on aggressors and repressors. Knock out the testosterone and men become malleable: peaceable; hesitant; unsure; docile. It's been shown that men can be (and are being?) turned into a form of psuedo-female, via chemicals contained in foods, drinks, food and drink wrappings and containers, etc.

Another means of putting men out of balance and unsure of their role and capabilities, is to kick their confidence around on daily basis. We've been advised (by Makow amongst others) that the Women's Lib movement was a pivotal phase in the Zionist destruction of western societies. Women AND men were the dupes. Men were told they had to change, had to accept a less dominant role at home, work, socially, etc. So men grew used to repressing their inherent maleness for fear of giving unintended offence, or of inviting criticism, of being considered 'unacceptable' generally. This created confusion in men; lack of confidence and feelings of shame about who and what they were.

Another tool in the Zionist agenda was to destroy the family unit. Men traditionally were heads of families; were the breadwinners. They gained their sense of identity from this. By promoting Women's Lib and encouraging women to leave the home for work, men no longer felt like the head of anything. Yet every ship needs a captain, and there can only be ONE captain. A family is a ship; one leak and it's disaster.

The family unit was further undermined through drugs, pornography, easily-obtained divorce, credit, consumerism and government dictates that forced parents to surrender their children to dumbed-down education systems that encouraged children to challenge their parents at the same time it forbade parents to discipline their children effectively. Governments imposed their versions of 'sex education' upon children and insist that children recognise same-gender sexuality and marriage, etc. Parents have had to sit back and watch their children being exposed to inordinate emphasis on sexuality: at school, in the media, etc. Parents are 'punished' if they object to what they clearly feel is an unhealthy agenda aimed at their children, by the government for which they pay.

People have been told they 'must not' object to government dictates; 'must not' voice their opinions about issues of race, immigration, education, government decisions, corruption, and a dozen other issues.

People are afraid to open their mouths. They feel their opinions are 'wrong' or punishable. The media reports the punitive actions of governments against those in society who speak out. The media is engaged in a campaign of terror, on behalf of governments. People see black-outfitted monsters, seemingly seven feet tall, their faces hidden behind black visors, their shoulders padded to immense proportions, wearing six inch soles, weilding a variety of terrifying weapons against old age pensions staging a peaceful protest. People are terrified. What if *they* were beaten by these government sanctioned goons, simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? What would happen to their family if they were incarcerated without charge or evidence?

So, for quite some time now, people have been manipulated by governments who push and pull, push and pull. The message people are being given is brutality simple: keep your mouths shut and do as your told and you might survive what we have in store for you. What we may or may not have in store for you is a secret. However, if you DO dare to open your mouth and voice any objection to this govenment, we can promise you that you will suffer a fate worse than death. Now go to work, shut your mouths, see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing , think nothing, pay your taxes, obey us, believe everything we tell you even though we will vary our tune daily .... and you and your family might make it through until next week. You have no opinon, no rights and probably no future. So shut up and enjoy what little you have today.

No, governments and corporations couldn't have gotten away with this sixty years ago. But sixty years ago, people had just fought the fight of their lives, WW2. They'd survived the ravages of the Great Depression. Then along came the golden years; the 50's and 60's and formica and refrigerators and air-conditioning and new cars and homes and light, romantic Doris Day/Rock Hudson comedies and extended leisure time. Golf and tennis and music lessons were no longer just the province of the wealthy. People grew used to a new, more leisurely, more materialistically enriched lifestyle. They grew used to peace, to governments who handled the big-issues, which resulted in 'more' of the good stuff for much of the population. Gone for most, were the days of not enough food and money. Everything seemed wonderful and getting better by the day. People forgot 'hardship' as their parents had known it. And movies and the new wonders of tv introduced people to 'escapism'; encouraged them to dream often unrealistic ambitions for themselves and their children.

In other words, people lost much of their 'edge'. They grew complacent to a degree. They wanted the fun stuff of life and left government deal with the boring issues. People surrendered their independence in return for what seemed like the good life. And then they took the good life for granted.

Problem is, when you hand responsibility for yourself to someone else, or to a group of others, you need to realise that those others are going to do what's in *their* interests, not yours.

Governments/politicians are NOT the way they're portrayed in all those movies and tv shows. Sure, they have the nice suits and the grey-flecked hair and good teeth. Their voices are often rich and deep and comforting, but so are a lot of radio announcers' voices ... and a lot of those are maniacs. It's not HOW they speak, but what they say that matters. But most important of all is what they neglect to say, which is actually what they secretly MEAN.

TV and movies have manipulated us to accept that if a politician LOOKS nice, then he/she is 'good'. We've come to believe that if a politician went to a 'good' school; if he is handsome, if he lives in an exclusive neighbourhood, if he socialises with celebrities ... then he is someone we should allow to control our lives. Well, Madonna is a celebrity and Tom Cruise has nice teeth and hair ... but would you let them determine your children's fate? Would you allow them to poison your water and food and strip you of employment and your previously nice neighbourhood? Arnold Swartzenegger was dynamic in Terminator and funny as hell in Twins and Kindergarten Cop ...... but does that really qualify him to control the lives of millions? Does it?

At the moment, we're waiting like frightened sheep, hoping the days of Fonzie and Brady Bunch mentality will return. We don't like these wars and unemployment and fear. We want it all to stop. We want to be able to go back to enjoying that sense of childhood we knew even ten years ago. We want someone to step up and fix things so that we can feel better. And according to various so-called 'conspiracy theories', we're exactly where 'they' want us to be, right on schedule. According to the same theories, 'they' will soon introduce the anti-Christ ... who will look exactly the way we've been conditioned to expect our 'leaders' to look: tall, tanned, silver tipped hair, nice suit and teeth and a voice like honey, which will reassure us that all we have to do is follow him and we'll all be able to sit back and relax and enjoy again ........ forever, in hell.

It all comes down, as Bob Dylan said a long time ago, to doing it yourself: ' If you want someone to trust ... trust yourself ' --- ' If you want someone to love -- love yourself' -- ' If you want someone to believe -- believe yourself'.

There will always be one in twenty. But they're having a rough time right now, like the female lawyer they're trying to lock up for 106 years for doing nothing more than exposing corruption in her locality. SHE is one of the ones in twenty. You have a choice: support and defend those Ones in Twenty now, so that they can fix your world up for you. Or sit back on your couch and watch re-runs of Everyone Loves Raymond and let them take those Ones in Twenty away, leaving you and yours helpless and doomed. But people are going to have to make a decision and live with it, because this crap isn't going to go away or get better without a hell of a lot of work and risk.

One of the best bits of advice available at this time, is to do as the ancient Scots did, when they were poised at the edge of a life and death battle. They recited their genealogy, then called to God, saying: 'God --- give me the courage of my ancestors ! ' Doing the same might just be what puts us on the right path and gives us the courage to continue.

Dock6

Thanks for the above post.

As a moderator here, I'm not going to give an opinion on the sentiments expressed, however, I'm grateful for the excellent 'read'.

On topic and relevant, I thoroughly enjoyed the manner in which you expressed your feelings on the subject.



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[edit on 5-4-2006 by masqua]

You have voted Dock6 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

That is quite simply one of the best posts I've read here. I shall be making sure as many people read that as possible.

Dock6, that was so well written and put,

You have voted Dock6 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

That is so perfect, I am going to print it out to show my friends and family.

WOW!

Right on target that was Dock6! Youve earned my WATS vote also for that post and its just another that should be read by all interested in the topic of this thread. And how right you are on that (One in twenty idea), its seen all around us if people would just open their eyes and take notice.

[edit on 5-4-2006 by tracer]

By the way Omniboy, thanks for that link on FreedomForce, I checked out a bit of it and it looks interesting, will go over it more later.

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