Cigar Shaped UFOs

Can anyone tell me what they know about Cigar Shaped UFOs. I have been looking at UFOs recently and noticed many of the most well documented cases with more likely credible sources such as scientists, newspapers, mass sightings & etc have mostly reported seeing a Cigar Shaped UFO some dating way back. Most of the descriptions have been very similar.

Yet with all this there doesn't seem to be much focus on it when searching the net.

A friend of mine said she saw one of those back in like 1970's. That's when she told me about it, too. If memory serves, she said it was huge and moved very slowly over the area where her house was, and kept on going, eventuallly passing out of sight. There were lots of windows on the sides of it, she said. That's all I remember. At the time, I was a skeptic, so I didn't ask her any questions, just blew it off and filed it away in the weird category. That was nearly forty years ago.

[edit on 15-3-2006 by undo]

Oddly enough, many of the early UFO sightings are cigar shaped....and with windows...

One reason may be mistaken identy, such as the use of dirigibles (blimps)... But, it could simply have been the "thing" back then with aliens, who knows?

Cigar-shaped craft are still spotted today, but the majority remains lights in the night sky, followed closely by discs and triangles. There's also cylinders, spheres, and other shapes, but they are far less common.

Also, the cigar shape could always simply be from an angle of observation. A donut-shaped craft would look like a cigar from the side.

Apparently Cigar shaped UFOs are the reptilians UFOS...as started in the Lacerta interview...that I have a hard time believing in.

Here's a highly credible case that took place some 20 minutes by car from me.

www.ufo.se...

As you can see it was very thuroughly investigated by both military and UFO specialists, but no explanation could be found. Even the military (Sweden is very open about thieir UFO cases btw, we're not prone to secrecy) speculated that it could've taken an intelligent route, avoiding as much attention as possible, it's all in the article. Most importantly, the vitnesses are extremely credible. They're an ordinary family that actually were my close friends neighbours (when he was 10) when this happened. I think it was the military that reached the conclusion that they were 'highly credible vitnesses'.

Interesting case, everyone should read about it.

[edit on 16-3-2006 by Drexon]

theres something going on there in north sweden, im certain. my friend saw an ufo there when he was kid, something like lights moving rapidly in the sky. also the sighting just a few months ago in northern finland.


i think that the swedes are actually reptilians

I observed a cigar shaped ufo for at least 15 minutes in daylight a number of years ago. Object moved slowly was at low elevation over an urban area and was totally silent.

Just a thought...

A logical extrapolation is that the large cigar-shaped motherships sighted many years ago have slowly been in the process of being replaced by the upgraded, large, triangular motherships.

Edit: Jumping ahead to comment on the next post...

That's a mighty big open mind you have there.



[edit on 16-3-2006 by Paul_Richard]

What's to say about them? They are long cylinders. At first blush, many look like regular passenger jet aircraft, but with no wings. Make you think that perhaps people are just not getting a good look at regular aircraft. The Mystery Airships of the 1890's tended to be "cigar shaped." But for the sake of argument, let's say they people saw what they saw. Why not?

A cylinder is a pretty good shape to move through the air because it develops a nice laminar air flow that reduces drag. No lift, though. So you need to have some other kind of lift system than wings. Anti-gravity is good if ya got it. If they're big enough, they might serve as "mother ships," but I don't think many (if any) have been seen performing that function.

As for them being "reptilian," first show me a reptilian alien, and maybe I'll go along with it. My mind is so open you could fly a helicopter through it.

Skeptics are not well received here at times, so probably noone else will direct you to this thread about both cigar-shaped and disk-shaped craft (and others).

There is a definite aversion to the cigar-shape in UFO studies. Personally, I feel that nobody wants to get too close to the blimp-like aspects, even when the object is almost certainly a blimp. It makes believers and authorities alike uncomfortable for some reason.

I spent some time today going over the first Project Grudge sumary report available from
www.projectbluebook.org...
and noticed again how the term 'blimp' is never mentioned by the authors, even discussing cases in and around Akron, Ohio. They used terms like 'torpedo', 'oval', 'cigar', and 'wingless fuselage' to describe silvery, blimp-shaped objects, but then the shape is mysteriously left out of their conclusions: there's just not a 'cigar-shape' catagory, it's apparently lumped into the miscellaneous catagories. (They also question how a wingless torpedo-shaped craft can possibly stay aloft; well, duh...)

BTW, that thread mentioned is about to get a big addition or two

Perhaps the oldest report of a Cigar Shaped or cylinders shaped UFO is the Pillar of Smoke and Pillar of Fire that led Moses and the Israelites during the Exodus. The Israelites could have been playing follow the leader with a huge UFO that gave them shade during the day and lighted their way at night even dropping food (mana) for them along the way.

The thing about UFOs if they work the way people have theorized to be able to come all the way to earth from another star (Gravity drives and such) they would produce so much thrust shape of the craft wouldn't really matter. With enough thrust you could fly a brick.

If the Pillar of Fire was really a Cigar shaped UFO that used some type of Gravity propulsion then one of the most amazing miracles in the Bible the Parting of the Red Sea wouldnt really be that miraculous. If you could manipulate gravity in theory it could be possible to do something like that.

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Perhaps the oldest report of a Cigar Shaped or cylinders shaped UFO is the Pillar of Smoke and Pillar of Fire that led Moses and the Israelites during the Exodus. The Israelites could have been playing follow the leader with a huge UFO that gave them shade during the day and lighted their way at night even dropping food (mana) for them along the way.

So much for the theory that all cigar-shaped craft are just blimps. Especially - as Gazrok pointed out in a referenced thread - with all the high speeds and sharp turns reported that dirigibles alone simply cannot perform

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
The thing about UFOs if they work the way people have theorized to be able to come all the way to earth from another star (Gravity drives and such) they would produce so much thrust shape of the craft wouldn't really matter. With enough thrust you could fly a brick.

Excellent point.

Gravity wave propulsion systems do not rely on wings at all.

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
If the Pillar of Fire was really a Cigar shaped UFO that used some type of Gravity propulsion then one of the most amazing miracles in the Bible the Parting of the Red Sea wouldnt really be that miraculous. If you could manipulate gravity in theory it could be possible to do something like that.

Zetan spacecraft have been known to immobilize Terran aircraft (like helicopters for example) with an antigravity ray that is light green in color and would not only immobilize the aircraft but also make onboard instrumentation go haywire. It is quite plausible that this same antigravity ray technology could have also been used - as you posed - to part the Red Sea.

Thereby making that event a technological miracle and not a telekinetic/spiritual one.



[edit on 16-3-2006 by Paul_Richard]

(edit) See what I mean about blimps?

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
So much for the theory that all cigar-shaped craft are just blimps. Especially - as Gazrok pointed out in a referenced thread - with all the high speeds and sharp turns reported that dirigibles alone simply cannot perform...

If you really studied the phenomena you'd already know that reports of the velocity of an unknown aerial objects are subject to wild misjudgement. To date no one has ever presented credible evidence that those high speeds and sharp turns actually happened as the witnesses say. There's just nothing to back them up. I know, I know, you'll use the radar word next, but the same goes for radar sightings: noone has ever presented a provable multi-mach sighting (well, except for the odd meteor).

Its been pointed out that airships are actually far more maneuverable than conventional craft. You should also realize the the low speeds of WWII airships and current advertizing blimps are a result of mission reqirements, not ultimate capability. The basic L-class training blimp was/is up to 10 times more efficient in the air than the best fighters and passenger haulers (.02-.03 vs .30-.32 coefficient of drag) and that airspeed is, after that, mostly a question of horsepower.



[edit on 16-3-2006 by rand]
(edit again -- i can spel, just can't type)

[edit on 16-3-2006 by rand]

Originally posted by rand
If you really studied the phenomena you'd already know that reports of the velocity of an unknown aerial objects are subject to wild misjudgement. To date no one has ever presented credible evidence that those high speeds and sharp turns actually happened as the witnesses say. There's just nothing to back them up. I know, I know, you'll use the radar word next, but the same goes for radar sightings: noone has ever presented a provable multi-mach sighting (well, except for the odd meteor).

Much of that which we have to go on is eyewitness testimony from people on the ground, pilots in planes, pilots in helicopters, etc., as well as radar reports from those on the ground and those in the air. I think there also may be abductee testimony regarding this as well. Cigar-shaped craft in the sky have been reported for centuries, well before lighter-than-air dirigibles were ever invented. In light of all this, it is reasonable to assume that the legendary cigar-shaped craft that many have seen were not blimps.

As far as a "provable multi-mach sighting," the jury is still out on that one. I'd be willing to bet that one or more of those involved with the Disclosure Project have exactly that in their records.

Hmmm.

We should get them on ATS for interviews.

Originally posted by rand
Its been pointed out that airships are actually far more maneuverable than conventional craft. You should also realize the the low speeds of WWII airships and current advertizing blimps are a result of mission reqirements, not ultimate capability. The basic L-class training blimp was/is up to 10 times more efficient in the air than the best fighters and passenger haulers (.02-.03 vs .30-.32 coefficient of drag) and that airspeed is, after that, mostly a question of horsepower.

I am sure that blimps can go faster than they are often portrayed. But not anything close to the speeds often attributed to UFOs, including the cigar-shaped ships.

Do you feel the same way about the large triangular UFOs that are now reported more often than the cigar-shaped UFOs?

I can't help but wonder: If Freud was on the ATS board today, what would he have to say about cigar shaped UFO's?

Now THAT would be a conversation i could get into

Wupy

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Do you feel the same way about the large triangular UFOs that are now reported more often than the cigar-shaped UFOs?

Well, I'd hope the military had made some progress since the 50's. Besides, the spooks seem to keep crashing the other ones; they're bound to run out of 'em eventually

Originally posted by rand

If you really studied the phenomena you'd already know that reports of the velocity of an unknown aerial objects are subject to wild misjudgement. To date no one has ever presented credible evidence that those high speeds and sharp turns actually happened as the witnesses say. There's just nothing to back them up. I know, I know, you'll use the radar word next, but the same goes for radar sightings: noone has ever presented a provable multi-mach sighting

I dont know theres been alot of Radar evidence to back up these claims. I have personally seen the video of plane radar lock-ins of Belgium fighter jets chasing a UFO. I cant remember the exact numbers off hand but it dusted some fighter jets every time they got close. I think it was estimated to have made moves that would have produced 40+ Gs

There was also a case on TV just today on the History Channel show "Alien Engineering" of Radar information of a craft accelerating several thousands of miles in a few seconds. This was also backed up with military pilots eye witnesses accounts of the same craft at speeds which were smoking their plane, and seeing it come to a complete stop in fractions of a second.

It was a part trying to explain the concept of a "inertia canceler" and how accelerating thousands of miles a hour and stopping in seconds can produce thousands of Gs which would kill any human.

The G numbers are really more important concerning UFOs then just Mach numbers unless its something insane. Humans can already make craft that can go Mach 20+.

[edit on 17-3-2006 by ShadowXIX]

I realise that some people would suggest that sightings of cigar shaped UFOs are in fact observations of blimps (or dirigibles). Without going into the flight characteristics of the objects sighted, as I understand it blimps were not consistently in our skies throughout time. The technology was developed in the early years of the 20th century but if I'm not mistaken it was practically mothballed after the second world war due to the many fatal accidents. Much later on in time helium replaced the highly combustable hydrogen. Then the airship technology sprung back to live again.
en.wikipedia.org...
It seems that the US Navy was the only one to use airships during the second world war with a crew on board. (Omitting air defense blimps over major cities.) After the second world war there were no commercial airships and as the article shows nothing can be noted from 1945 onwards untill well into the 90s. With this knowledge in mind cigar shaped UFO sightings during that time shouldn't be theorised away as blimps but deserve a more thorough explanation.

good point its so easy to say its a blimp and forget about it, but fact is blimp were not flying our skies in the 70's not for all the sightings anyway, also they were sighted in the 1800's too so there goes the blimp theory...

Is it me or are these craft trying ti mimic our technology sort of??

cigar ufos - - blimps
triangles - - hmmm stealth fighters

or its us copying them i dunno.

but i think these UFO are not of our dimension, i think they cross into our dimension as a shortcut through their space time.

Originally posted by blobby
good point its so easy to say its a blimp and forget about it, but fact is blimp were not flying our skies in the 70's not for all the sightings anyway, also they were sighted in the 1800's too so there goes the blimp theory...

A number of us agree on this issue.

Originally posted by blobby
Is it me or are these craft trying to mimic our technology sort of??

cigar ufos - - blimps
triangles - - hmmm stealth fighters

The more logical scenario is that Terrans (us) are mimicking Zetan technology as we become more advanced in aircraft design and propulsion systems