NEWS: Pastor protests the rights of fallen American soldiers to a peaceful burial

Anybody seen the stuff Phelps distributes? It's crazy! Man, why do only the worse people in the community get the attention (ie: Phelps and Pat Robertson). I'm not even linking to the pamphlets, it's just so hateful (ie: there's one with a soldier raping a little Iraqi boy, and crap like that). One thing though, the left has got to stop demonizing Christians. There's no game here- Phelps is not one of us, he's just....well crazy what else? Ive seen some bad things on Jerry Falwell though but I do have some good things to say on him (I know he's often a target). Nothing good on Benny Hinn, don't even know why he still has a show with so little people watching. Not a fan of Hal Lindsey either. Anyway, those guys are nothing compared to Phelps.It's actually quite easy to figure out who's the real deal and who's a fake. The fake/heretic will just get something and distort it so much that it's a pale shell of what it was (or he will just resort to baloney instead of adequate study). Plus the fake is always a moneybags deceiver.

Hecklers harass families of US soldiers killed in Iraq
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"Five women sang and danced as they held up signs saying "thank God for dead soldiers" at the funeral of an army sergeant who was killed by an Iraqi bomb.

For them, it was the perfect way to spread God's word: America was being punished for tolerating homosexuality. "

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there's more to that article, but well, this is enough for me...

there has to be a law somwhere on the books that will shut these people down!! or at least this part of their "ministry".

Okay so I have a question. Phelps and his group have been protesting at funerals of homosexuals for years. Most notably the Mathew Sheppard funeral. They target anyone who may have died of aids or who gets a notice in the paper about a "partner" instead of a spouse.

Why does everyone want him stopped now? The godhatesfags website is years old. The protest have been occuring for over a decade. Yet the outrage is fresh and new just because he targeted some troops?

It just seems that many here feel he just now crossed the line and must be stopped. Too bad you can't get as outraged when he targets other Americans.

After reading all the post here (long thread) I wonder why everyone thinks our founding fathers were so perfect? Why do we always refer to their thinking like it
1. Could not be wrong
2. Shall not be challenged
3. Was inspired by some devine intervention.
They were men, living in a primative time in history. The world changes, I just can't understand why we seem to be so scared to admit that.

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well, personally, this is the time when the issue entered my awareness, more than likely because there is more media attention because the targets are men and women who have sacrificed thier lives in defense of this country....

I would find this type of crap offensixe regardless of who's funeral it is. but well I guess demonstrating at the funerals of aids victims weren't drawing him the media blitz that he wanted so he changed targets....now he's drawing the anger of alot more people...

where's homeland security anyways? if they can harrass some guy who is just going around with harmless signs and banners on his truck....what's wrong with them givng this guy a few headaches?

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Um, you didn't read my post prior to this one did you? That's okay.

Were you talking to me? Do you mean this post?

The laws of the land were written by elites that were freemasons or members of weird non-christian religions. That those kind of people claim that government and religion are seperate is a farce. Their religion has become the state religion:
humanism/socialism/globalism.

State religion? What do you mean?

the founding fathers were a buncha masons who were taking orders from europe and the banking families were in the process of taking down the church/monarchy dynasties that ran europe. It is quite conceivable that the new world would be a TRIAL RUN of this new system and in fact it became controlled by the few financial elites at the top, and those of what I call FUNNY RELIGIONS.

All I can say is "Wow". Funny, weird religions, eh? How do they run our country again?

While no one denies that these men were men of faith, they were certainly not men who supported organized religion. I think that this is where people go wrong, they don't realise that there is a difference.

That they believe in a higher power than themselves does not negate the fact that they felt that church should have no hand in state and vice versa.

Thomas Jefferson:

The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury to my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. (Dumas Malon, Jefferson The President: First Term 1801-1805. Boston: Little Brown and Company, 1970, p. 191)

Thomas Paine:

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. (Richard Emery Roberts, ed. "Excerpts from The Age of Reason". Selected Writings of Thomas Paine. New York: Everbody's Vacation Publishing Co., 1945, p. 362)

John Adams:

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, - and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arrising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. (Charles I. Bevans, ed. Treaties and Other International Agreements of the United States of America 1776-1949. Vol. 11: Philippines-United Arab Republic. Washington D.C.: Department of State Publications, 1974, p. 1072).

And Benjamin Franklin. About that call for prayer. He did say this:

In this situation of this Assembly, groping as it were in the dark to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when present to us, how has it happened, Sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of lights to illuminate our understandings?....I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth - that God governs in the affairs of men. (Catherine Drinker Bowen. Miracle at Phaladelphia: The Story of the Constitutional Convention, May to September 1787. New York: Book-of-the-Month Club, 1966, pp. 125-126)

However, people never mention that the motion was voted down.

And he also said this:

As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupt changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and I think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an Opportunity of knowing the Truth with less Trouble...." (Carl Van Doren. Benjamin Franklin. New York: The Viking Press, 1938, p. 777.)

As for the notion that 'seperation of church and state' is a recent invention, or even turn of phrase:

In 1947, in the case Everson v. Board of Education, the Supreme Court declared, “The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state. That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach.” The “separation of church and state” phrase which they invoked, and which has today become so familiar, was taken from an exchange of letters between President Thomas Jefferson and the Baptist Association of Danbury, Connecticut, shortly after Jefferson became President. - David Barton

And the above mentioned Thomas Jefferson's words:

. . . Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of government reach actions only and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.

More quotes, in case you haven't seen enough already. Thomas Jefferson again:

Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth. (Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 363.)

History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. (Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Baron von Humboldt, 1813; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 370)

The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man. (Thomas Jefferson, as quoted by Saul K. Padover in Thomas Jefferson on Democracy, New York, 1946, p. 165, according to Albert Menendez and Edd Doerr, compilers, The Great Quotations on Religious Liberty, Long Beach, CA: Centerline Press, 1991, p. 48.)

In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them, and to effect this, they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer for their purposes. (Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Horatio Spofford, 1814; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 371)

A professorship of Theology should have no place in our institution [the University of Virginia]. (Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Cooper, October 7, 1814. From Gorton Carruth and Eugene Ehrlich, eds., The Harper Book of American Quotations, New York: Harper & Row, 1988, p. 492.)

Oh I could go on. But you get the picture.

For those who would like a better take on this:

Interview with a protestor

Warning, some strong language is posted.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Bless the Bikers! That is a new development and I'm so glad they're exercising their rights to overshadow these extremist nutjobs.

Bikers are still going strong, not only to 'flush out' any unwanted visitors, but also to pay respects to service members who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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FINAL Itinerary for Master Sgt. Brian P. McAnulty, December 19, 2006

Subject: Master Sgt. Brian P. McAnulty, 39 of Vicksburg, MS. Services will be held in Kernersville, NC –19 Dec 06, 12:00pm at Pierce-Jefferson Funeral Home, 213 W. Mountain St. Kernersville, NC 27284. Interment, with full military honors, will immediately follow at Mt. Gur Cemetery, Eastlawn Gardens of Memory, on W. Bodenhamer St, Kernersville, NC 27284.

www.kernersvillenews.com

On Monday, December 11, the McAnulty family, of Kernersville, received word that Master Sgt. Brian McAnulty, 39, died when the CH-53 helicopter he was in crashed just after takeoff in Al Anbar Province, Iraq. He was assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, in Twenty-nine Palms, California.

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