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Originally posted by SkipShipman
Fred Phelps is obviously COINTELPRO, a stooge who is there to agitate people and to defame Christianity. Why intelligent people here at ATS take such stories for face value and further reinforce the homosexual agenda which is a globalism move to crush the family and make government your Big Brother, or Father, is totally beyond me. Hey this does not mean I personally disparage anyone, it is the high profile of the homosexual agenda, and its dominance, that clearly indicates its globalist mission. High financial circles are backing this with big money, including the bigots to reinforce their brainwashing. Wake up!
Originally posted by Youngblood_USA
I really don't agree with the protesting, simply for the fact that this country alone was based on the fact that all is welcome, under any banner, religion or ethical background, and free to choose whatsoever life they desire, their judgement is God's, not man's. The U.S. was founded on the fact that government should not dictate ANYONE's choices or way of life, however it was founded on Old Testatment principles. Our very declaration was derived from it and based upon it's teaching.
So if I was a liberal then I would not go to Iraq unless I had to.
Astronomer68
Sixty years ago the man would have been beat to a pulp, shot, or lynched for what he is doing
hey did not believe the church should stay out of the state. On the contrary, they felt strongly that religion could and should provide enlightened guidance to the state.
SkipShipman
Fred Phelps is obviously COINTELPRO, a stooge who is there to agitate people and to defame Christianity.
Originally posted by SkipShipman
Fred Phelps is obviously COINTELPRO, a stooge who is there to agitate people and to defame Christianity. Why intelligent people here at ATS take such stories for face value and further reinforce the homosexual agenda which is a globalism move to crush the family and make government your Big Brother, or Father, is totally beyond me. Hey this does not mean I personally disparage anyone, it is the high profile of the homosexual agenda, and its dominance, that clearly indicates its globalist mission. High financial circles are backing this with big money, including the bigots to reinforce their brainwashing. Wake up!
Originally posted by SkipShipman
Fred Phelps is obviously COINTELPRO, a stooge who is there to agitate people and to defame Christianity. Why intelligent people here at ATS take such stories for face value and further reinforce the homosexual agenda which is a globalism move to crush the family and make government your Big Brother, or Father, is totally beyond me. Hey this does not mean I personally disparage anyone, it is the high profile of the homosexual agenda, and its dominance, that clearly indicates its globalist mission. High financial circles are backing this with big money, including the bigots to reinforce their brainwashing. Wake up!
Originally posted by Astronomer68
Freedom_for_sum I am aware of James Madison's viewpoint as well as the viewpoints of many other founding fathers and I will repeat what I said earlier because what I said is what they believed as a group.
Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum
I believe you have been duped regarding what our forefathers wished for this country.
Jefferson declared that religion is: "Deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support."
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In his Inaugural Speech, April 30, 1789,
"...it would be peculiarly improper to omit, in this first official act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the universe, who presides in the councils of nations and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes...."
"No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the Invisible Hand which conducts the affairs of men more than the people of the United States."
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Congressional Congress, 1787
"I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth--that God Governs the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?
"We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that "except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments by Human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.
"I therefore beg leave to move--that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service."
Ben Franklin wrote a pamphlet called, "Information to Those who would Remove to America." It was intended to be a guide for Europeans who were thinking of relocating in America. In it he said:
"Hence bad examples to youth are more rare in America, which must be comfortable consideration to parents. To this may be truly added, that serious religion, under its various denominations, is not only tolerated, but respected and practiced.
"Atheism is unknown there; Infidelity rare and secret; so that persons may live to a great age in that country without having their piety shocked by meeting with either an Atheist or an Infidel.
"And the Divine Being seems to have manifested his approbation of the mutual forbearance and kindness with which the different sects treat each other; by the remarkable prosperity with which he has been pleased to favor the whole country."
"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That he ought to be worshipped."
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June 21, 1776
"Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand.
Oct. 11, 1798 (Address to the military)
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
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"From the day of the Declaration...they (the American people) were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of The Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledge as the rules of their conduct."
"I speak as a man of the world to men of the world; and I say to you, Search the Scriptures! The Bible is the book of all others, to be read at all ages, and in all conditions of human life; not to be read in small portions of one or two chapters every day, and never to be intermitted, unless by some overruling necessity."
"Posterity--you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it."
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As the Declaration of Independence was being signed, 1776, Samuel Adams declared:
"We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come."
"He therefore is the truest friend to the liberty of this country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man....The sum of all is, if we would most truly enjoy this gift of Heaven, let us become a virtuous people."
"He who is void of virtuous attachments in private life is, or very soon will be, void of all regard for his country. There is seldom an instance of a man guilty of betraying his country, who had not before lost the feeling of moral obligations in his private connections." --in a letter to James Warren, Nov. 4, 1775--
"The said constitution shall never be construed to authorize congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
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"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man.
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"Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom."
"It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains."
On November 20, 1798, in his Last Will and Testament, Patrick Henry wrote:
"This is all the inheritance I give to my dear family. The religion of Christ will give them one which will make them rich indeed."
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"The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind. Where, some say, is the king of America? I'll tell you, friend, He reigns above.
"Yet that we may not appear to be defective even in earthly honors, let a day be solemnly set apart for proclaiming the charter; let it be placed on the divine law, the Word of God; let a crown be placed thereon.
"The Almighty implanted in us these inextinguishable feelings for good and wise purposes. They are the guardians of His image in our heart. They distinguish us from the herd of common animals."
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"If thou wouldst rule well, thou must rule for God, and to do that, thou must be ruled by him....Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants."
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Originally posted by marg6043
Grady very interesting links to the source of the quotes, BTW the man in question is good at twisting the bible to make is own views very believable.
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I don't care what site the quotes come from as long as they are accurate, which they are.
[edit on 2006/3/11 by GradyPhilpott]
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
The Declaration of Independence of the United States of America
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
marg, you won't find me espousing a state religion or any evidence that I ever have. What I support is the free expression of religion and the right of people of faith to be guided by their principles in public service as long as those principles are commensurate with the laws of the land.
Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum
James Madison (father of our Constitution) said that both religion AND government will exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together.
The government should have NO HAND in religion and no religion should be able to influence the government.