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...what really happened was that a "Complex Problem" revealed itself. Like a game of Pick Up Sticks, people had made a series of poor decisions that they could not see were related to each other until one day, New Orleans fell over.
The Lessons of New Orleans - Complex Problems
As recently as three weeks ago, state emergency managers urged Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and his deputy, Michael P. Jackson, to ease the department's focus on terrorism, warning that the shift away from traditional disaster management left FEMA a bureaucratic backwater less able to respond to natural events such as hurricanes and earthquakes.
Bruce P. Baughman, Alabama emergency management director, head of the National Emergency Management Association and the official in charge of FEMA's response to the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks in 2001, said Katrina will leave its mark on federal disaster management. "It's time to realize, whoever is in charge of FEMA does need an emergency management background. . . . It's something you learn by experience, and a lot of that experience is gone," he said.
FEMA Director Singled Out by Response Critics
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" "We authorized $8 billion to go to Iraq, lickety split. After 9/11 we gave the president unauthorized powers, lickety split to help New York and other places," he said. "You mean to tell me that a place where most of your oil is coming through ... that we can't figure out a way to authorize the resources that we need," said (New Orleans mayor) Nagin.
[ulr=http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/09/02/ray_nagin20050902.html]Radio link here: New Orleans mayor blasts federal government[/url]
"Chertoff said rescuers have encountered a number of people who said they did not want to evacuate. ..."That is not a reasonable alternative," he said. "We are not going to be able to have people sitting in houses in the city of New Orleans for weeks and months while we de-water and clean this city.""
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"...police pleaded with remaining survivors to abandon the city. ...''There are no jobs. There are no homes to go to, no hotels to go to, there is absolutely nothing here,'' Deputy Police Chief Warren Riley said. ''We advise people that this city has been destroyed, it has completely been destroyed.''"
"It took several days for food and water to reach the tens of thousands of desperate New Orleans residents who took shelter in the increasingly squalid and deadly Superdome and city convention centre."
"The last bedraggled refugees were rescued from the Superdome on Saturday and the convention center was all but cleared, leaving the heart of New Orleans to the dead and dying, the elderly and frail stranded too many days without food, water or medical care."
"Nita LaGarde, 105, was pushed down the street in her wheelchair as her nurse's 5-year-old granddaughter, Tanisha Blevin, held her hand. The pair spent two days in an attic, two days on an interstate island and the last four days on the pavement in front of the convention centre. ...LaGarde's nurse, Ernestine Dangerfield, 60, said LaGarde had not had a clean adult diaper in more than two days. "I just want to get somewhere where I can get her nice and clean," she said."
"...the U.S. government has chartered three luxury cruise liners - Ecstacy, Sensation and Holiday - for the next half year, to provide temporary housing for victims of Hurricane Katrina. Two of the ships, the Ecstasy and Sensation, have a maximum capacity of 2,606 people each and will be based in Galveston, Texas. The third, the Holiday, has a maximum capacity of 1,800, and will likely be docked in Mobile, Ala. ...Carnival Cruise Lines would not reveal how much FEMA was paying to charter the ships."
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"Alabama has offered about room for about 2,500 in shelters or hotels. ...For those who want to stay, Mississippi officials say they will eventually offer temporary housing in tents or in 20,000 small trailers that have been ordered. ...The idea of tents only adds to Renee Chambless' fears. "You can't trust anybody. If you sleep in those tents, you might wake up and see your daughter being carried off and raped," Chambless said."
"The main thing for us is the kids," ...They're separated from their friends, their everyday activities, their school. The waiting list for schools is incredible."
" "I would rather have been in jail," Janice Jones said in obvious relief at being out of the Superdome. "I've been in there seven days and I haven't had a bath. They treated us like animals. Everybody is scared." ...The Astrodome's new residents will be issued passes that will let them leave and return as they please, something that wasn't permitted in New Orleans."
"Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parish, just outside New Orleans, broke down on Meet the Press when he talked about people who waited for help. ..."They were told like me, every single day, the cavalry's coming, on a federal level. The cavalry's coming, the cavalry's coming, the cavalry's coming. I have just begun to hear the hoofs of the cavalry ...," Broussard said."
" "The guy who runs this building I'm in, emergency management, he's responsible for everything. His mother was trapped in St. Bernard nursing home, and every day she called him and said, 'Are you coming, son? Is somebody coming?' And he said, 'And yeah, Momma, somebody's coming to get you. Somebody's coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebody's coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebody's coming to get you Thursday. Somebody's coming to get you on Friday' - and she drowned Friday night. She drowned on Friday night." "
"What will happen to the refugees in the long term was not known."
Many officials have warned of infectious diseases from the toxic flood waters in New Orleans in coming weeks, but the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said it did not expect serious outbreaks. ...Decaying bodies create very little risk for major disease outbreaks, and the CDC noted that outbreaks of infectious diseases following hurricanes are rare in developed countries such as the United States. It said foodborne illness such as salmonella poisoning was more likely.
"Kenny Lason, 45, a dishwasher at Pat O'Brien's, a French Quarter restaurant famous for its signature "Hurricane" cocktail, took a long slurp out of a bottle of Korbel extra dry champagne. He broke a store window to get it, and he is not ashamed. "They wasn't giving us nothing," he said. "You got to live off the land."
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" "Calvin Norris, 58, looked like a Mississippi River steamboat as he pushed a shopping cart through the brackish water while puffing on a cigarette. But like dozens of other holdouts living in the neighborhood's shotgun-style houses and second-floor apartments, Norris wouldn't even consider leaving. ..."Because I got my house," he said. "The water isn't in the house like it was when it first started."
Despite official warnings that New Orleans will be without food, water, electricity and jobs for months, the holdouts are determined to stay with their property, afraid that if they leave they might never be able to come back. ..."If you go, they take you to Texas," said Elizabeth Franklin, 65, as she stood on her only porch step not under water. "I don't know anybody in Texas. I don't know how I'm going to get back."
Gelanto Gbollie, 46, stood bare-chested in black jeans on a second-floor apartment balcony with the railing and roof blown off. ..."We're trying to secure the building because we've got a lot of stuff here," Gbollie said. ..."I don't need you, homeboy," Arthur Alexis, 55, shouted back. "I've been doing this for 40 years. This ain't nothing to me." "
Thanks but no thanks, New Orleans holdouts tell rescuers
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"Not all New Orleans residents wanted out. ''They'll have to drag me out by my feet,'' said Mike Reed, 49, as he swept debris from the streets of the city's historic French Quarter..."
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"The people who have chosen to stay or are stuck in demolished communities along the Mississippi coast scavenge for basics each day, as convoys of soldiers and supplies pass them by, headed for the nearly empty city of New Orleans. ...Some are staying with the hope of rebuilding their communities. Others say they would leave if only they could get a ride. All agree that with no water or power, probably for months to come, they need more help from the government just to survive. ...
"I have been all over the world. I've been in a lot of Third World countries where people were better off than the people here are right now," retired Air Force Capt. William Bissell said Monday."
Lavone Lollar, 34, and her three children have been living with 75 others in an Ocean Springs shelter that smells like dirty diapers. ...She fears the psychological toll the disaster is taking on those slowly realizing they've lost everything. "You talk to somebody one minute, they're OK," she said. "The next, the devil's starting to get into them."
"Trials are expected to begin within two weeks, ...We're going to bring these guys to justice," (said New Orleans U.S. Attorney Jim Letten).
"Maybe it comes back stronger," says political strategist and commentator James Carville, known as the Ragin' Cajun. "No one forgot how to play the saxophone or how to cook or write. Or have a good time. That's all still there. Calamities and disasters are part of New Orleans' history. This too shall pass."
Government created this crisis of confidence - now they're shooting Americans who are strong enough, and independent enough, to make their own way. Instead of applauding survivors for their Yankee gumption, the government is prosecuting. For shame.
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Government created this crisis of confidence - now they're shooting Americans who are strong enough, and independent enough, to make their own way. Instead of applauding survivors for their Yankee gumption, the government is prosecuting. For shame.
This is without a doubt the most ignorant and shameful statement I have heard in my life ...Those who make such statements are completely uninformed as to the conditions that led to the looting in NO and they are completely ignorant of the class of people who commit these crimes, beside, and which is worse, being ignorant of the basic requirements and individual responsibilities for a productive and orderly society.
Originally posted by soficrow
FYI Grady, here's a tidbit I did not include:
"...On top of the burdens of law enforcement, officers have had to forage for food and water and even for places to relieve themselves. ..."Our officers have been urinating and defecating in the basement of Harrah's Casino," Police Superintendent Eddie Compass said last week. "They have been going in stores to feed themselves."
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Originally posted by soficrow
FYI Grady, here's a tidbit I did not include:
"...On top of the burdens of law enforcement, officers have had to forage for food and water and even for places to relieve themselves. ..."Our officers have been urinating and defecating in the basement of Harrah's Casino," Police Superintendent Eddie Compass said last week. "They have been going in stores to feed themselves."
Did it occur to you that those who were looting and running rampant all over town murdering, raping, and shooting at police created the stress that led, in no small measure, to the suicides and the officers who quit their jobs?
Your post is a perfect example of why the facts often do not add up to the truth.
The very idea that the tragedy of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast had anything to do with population control is so repugnant and outrageous as to engender disdain on the part of any rational, compassionate individual.
Originally posted by Dallas
Dunno soficrow?, always respected your threads but this may be a bit long and may be a bit razor-sharp.
Grady may be on the ball here, which he usually is. Do you know for sure what your suggesting or perhap's speculating? All respect intended.
Dallas
Government created this crisis of confidence - now they're shooting Americans who are strong enough, and independent enough, to make their own way. Instead of applauding survivors for their Yankee gumption, the government is prosecuting. For shame.
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Government created this crisis of confidence - now they're shooting Americans who are strong enough, and independent enough, to make their own way. Instead of applauding survivors for their Yankee gumption, the government is prosecuting. For shame.
Are you implying that the armed hooligans who are looting, shooting at rescue chopters, police, engineers in to survey the true hero's in the traditional American mold?
Originally posted by DragonsDemesne
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This kind of behaviour totally baffles me. I have heard reports that some hurricane victims actually shot at some of the rescue/emergency personnel who came to help them! Talk about ingratitude!
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Then again you also have to think on how in the world the US military or FEMA could get trucks into NO when there were streets that were flooded up to 20 feet. But a lot of people don't seem to want to think those could also have been the reason, or at least part of the reason, why help didn't arrive sooner.