Scientists one step closer to understand the mystery behind dark matter

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Venkuish1

Visible Matter 5%
Dark Matter 27%
Dark Energy 68%

That's quite the give away as to how much we actually figured out...

95% of the needed matter for our model to work is so foreign to us we have to dup it dark...

You have to consider our level of understanding around let's say 300 years ago. Make the appropriate comparisons and you could see why it takes time and effort to come to these conclusions.

Nobody knew about the possibility of dark matter and dark energy back in the 18th century. Give it another 200-300 years and our understanding will evolve substantially.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: theatreboy

So what would be the spiritual side of their work pertaining to the likes of the Manhattan Project and the atomic bomb?

Science is not about spirituality.

Science Is a tool.

And like all tools, the purpose to which they are set, donates benevolence of malevolence.

The spiritual side would include understanding the human cost of the project.

As you say, science can be used as a tool. So the spiritual side is how you choose to use that tool.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Venkuish1

Visible Matter 5%
Dark Matter 27%
Dark Energy 68%

That's quite the give away as to how much we actually figured out...

95% of the needed matter for our model to work is so foreign to us we have to dup it dark...

There is a reason for calling this 'mysterious' form of matter 'dark'. This type of matter doesn't interact with light which means it doesn't absurd or emit radiation. It's a correct description when you can see it at all or can't detect it easily because it can only be 'seen' via the gravitational effects on ordinary matter.

Wow, so you don't know what it does, what it is, or what it is made of....

I mean, you know, cause science says. But the rest of the scientist that study it, will admit they don't know much about it.

And let's be honest, you just admitted that, of physics, we know less than 5%.

Good golly, that's 95% of matter we know nothing about....i bet we can make some stuff up, post it on 4chan, and next week you will quote it as fact. But again, with 95% unknown, you will be able to do whatever you want, and say it real. And those, like you, think their smart because they believe what they are told, will believe anything.

The rest of us "non scientists" will question everything.

originally a reply to:Terpene
a reply to: theatreboy

Dark matter is essentially a grander and more complicated analog for Planet X. It's funny that there are discussions going on concurrently with some of the same people arguing. They're inferred simply because, otherwise, the models we have don't appear to work. It's backdoor science, based not just on observation but on assumptions that are predicated on the whole thing being correct. Dark matter is a attempt to provide proof of the models are sound, by using the same models with additional variables.

The tiniest bits of quantum matter that make up the universe aren't even real by our understanding of the term, but that won't stop them from telling you to learn some physics.

They can't touch upon the topic of consciousness or if we exist in a true material reality, have no idea how the universe got here or what happens when it collapses, but they will lecture you about your ignorance.

ATS science is largely just a slight step above "The Science" sci-bro types from Reddit that fawn over Neil deGrasse Tyson. You won't get banned here for heresy on ATS, but you'll still search far and wide before you find people that actually understand the fundamentals of science and inquiry. Mostly, it's repetition of whatever authority is deemed to represent "consensus" and willful blindness about the barn door sized gaps in what they choose to believe.

Please continue to thumb their eyes and ask them for receipts. They'll bitch that you don't understand science, but you won't see them actually explaining any of it because their own grasp is tenuous at best. Like the rest of humanity their total amassed knowledge wouldn't even be the period at the end of a sentence in the grand library of what there is to know.

a reply to: Venkuish1

200-300 years ago scientist left those unexplained things to religion.

I think our model is seriously flawed, insofar that it's missing an essential part of the whole... We'll see if they manage to coherently adapt the standard model with the implications quantum mechanics has. It will be hard without giving away too much of how that persistent illusion called reality actually works...

Dark matter is just a patch for a flawed model... It's as if no one can or dares or isn't alowed to think beyond the parameters set by Einstein. So when an observation doesn't fit Instead of rethinking the whole we come up with a new completely invented variable we have no proof of and tweak it until the Standard equation is solved.

It works, but the only proof you can really deduce is that the standard model is flawed if not completely wrong...

Good thing they have strange matter, next up strange energy?

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Venkuish1

Visible Matter 5%
Dark Matter 27%
Dark Energy 68%

That's quite the give away as to how much we actually figured out...

95% of the needed matter for our model to work is so foreign to us we have to dup it dark...

There is a reason for calling this 'mysterious' form of matter 'dark'. This type of matter doesn't interact with light which means it doesn't absurd or emit radiation. It's a correct description when you can see it at all or can't detect it easily because it can only be 'seen' via the gravitational effects on ordinary matter.

Wow, so you don't know what it does, what it is, or what it is made of....

I mean, you know, cause science says. But the rest of the scientist that study it, will admit they don't know much about it.

And let's be honest, you just admitted that, of physics, we know less than 5%.

Good golly, that's 95% of matter we know nothing about....i bet we can make some stuff up, post it on 4chan, and next week you will quote it as fact. But again, with 95% unknown, you will be able to do whatever you want, and say it real. And those, like you, think their smart because they believe what they are told, will believe anything.

The rest of us "non scientists" will question everything.

Non scientists often take things out of context. Now if you have to be religious then the situation becomes even more complicated.

There is a lot we know about the possible existence of dark matter based on indirect evidence because dark matter doesn't interact with light and so it doesn't emit or absorb radiation. You can only 'see it' through its gravitational effects on the ordinary matter.

There is a lot we still don't know and that is the purpose of science! Through steps, effort, time, to find the truth about a scientific hypothesis for which there is plenty of indirect evidence.

I don't believe what I am told and neither the scientists believe what they are told. You ve got things wrong thinking that science somehow is based on unquestionable dogma that never changes and beliefs.

What kind of honesty are you talking about?? The basic information I have linked above is taught in schools and it's just basic knowledge. 5% of all matter-energy in the universe is visible matter. Basic school science...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Venkuish1

200-300 years ago scientist left those unexplained things to religion.

I think our model is seriously flawed, insofar that it's missing an essential part of the whole... We'll see if they manage to coherently adapt the standard model with the implications quantum mechanics has. It will be hard without giving away too much of how that persistent illusion called reality actually works...

Dark matter is just a patch for a flawed model... It's as if no one can or dares or isn't alowed to think beyond the parameters set by Einstein. So when an observation doesn't fit Instead of rethinking the whole we come up with a new completely invented variable we have no proof of and tweak it until the Standard equation is solved.

It works, but the only proof you can really deduce is that the standard model is flawed if not completely wrong...

Good thing they have strange matter, next up strange energy?

It's more like religion wanted to have control of everything including science and scientists. It couldn't so from that point on we evolved rapidly.

originally posted by: ksihkahe

originally a reply to:Terpene
a reply to: theatreboy

Dark matter is essentially a grander and more complicated analog for Planet X. It's funny that there are discussions going on concurrently with some of the same people arguing. They're inferred simply because, otherwise, the models we have don't appear to work. It's backdoor science, based not just on observation but on assumptions that are predicated on the whole thing being correct. Dark matter is a attempt to provide proof of the models are sound, by using the same models with additional variables.

The tiniest bits of quantum matter that make up the universe aren't even real by our understanding of the term, but that won't stop them from telling you to learn some physics.

They can't touch upon the topic of consciousness or if we exist in a true material reality, have no idea how the universe got here or what happens when it collapses, but they will lecture you about your ignorance.

ATS science is largely just a slight step above "The Science" sci-bro types from Reddit that fawn over Neil deGrasse Tyson. You won't get banned here for heresy on ATS, but you'll still search far and wide before you find people that actually understand the fundamentals of science and inquiry. Mostly, it's repetition of whatever authority is deemed to represent "consensus" and willful blindness about the barn door sized gaps in what they choose to believe.

Please continue to thumb their eyes and ask them for receipts. They'll bitch that you don't understand science, but you won't see them actually explaining any of it because their own grasp is tenuous at best. Like the rest of humanity their total amassed knowledge wouldn't even be the period at the end of a sentence in the grand library of what there is to know.

Thank you, and well said.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Venkuish1

200-300 years ago scientist left those unexplained things to religion.

I think our model is seriously flawed, insofar that it's missing an essential part of the whole... We'll see if they manage to coherently adapt the standard model with the implications quantum mechanics has. It will be hard without giving away too much of how that persistent illusion called reality actually works...

Dark matter is just a patch for a flawed model... It's as if no one can or dares or isn't alowed to think beyond the parameters set by Einstein. So when an observation doesn't fit Instead of rethinking the whole we come up with a new completely invented variable we have no proof of and tweak it until the Standard equation is solved.

It works, but the only proof you can really deduce is that the standard model is flawed if not completely wrong...

Good thing they have strange matter, next up strange energy?

It's more like religion wanted to have control of everything including science and scientists. It couldn't so from that point on we evolved rapidly.

It's more like you are quoting religious dogma. Don't forget your carbon offset alms today. Remember, as long as you pay the church, you will be considered a good little citizen.

Oh, and while you are at it, throw around some insults about the intelligence of those who question authority and research for themselves. Stand on your moral science high horse (until science tells you it is not a horse at all but a 4 legged, furry octopus) and tell the world how much more educated and smart you are. Because you believe without question.

Over the last 36 hours, you have been given logical facts that are reproducible, but since they do not fit your narrative, you bash them. You throw a book passage therefore trying to prove science with itself as the proof. you have offered nothing to back up your claims.

To the point of telling those of us who believe in God are idiots...mainly for believing in something that cant be seen or touched. While telling us to believe the science about this mysterious dark matter no one can see or touch.

And you, and those arguing with you, are too dense to see the irony in these 2 threads.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Venkuish1

200-300 years ago scientist left those unexplained things to religion.

I think our model is seriously flawed, insofar that it's missing an essential part of the whole... We'll see if they manage to coherently adapt the standard model with the implications quantum mechanics has. It will be hard without giving away too much of how that persistent illusion called reality actually works...

Dark matter is just a patch for a flawed model... It's as if no one can or dares or isn't alowed to think beyond the parameters set by Einstein. So when an observation doesn't fit Instead of rethinking the whole we come up with a new completely invented variable we have no proof of and tweak it until the Standard equation is solved.

It works, but the only proof you can really deduce is that the standard model is flawed if not completely wrong...

Good thing they have strange matter, next up strange energy?

It's more like religion wanted to have control of everything including science and scientists. It couldn't so from that point on we evolved rapidly.

Second point to this stupid statement:

It was not religion who wanted to have control of everything...it was man.

It was man who used God to gain power over others. Not God or belief in him.

Just as science is being used to have power over everybody in this day and age.

Does it strike you as funny the fact that "science" and it's supporters (you as one),

ARE ACTING TOWARDS UNBELIEVERS IN SCIENCE, THE SAME AS YOU ACCUSE THE CHURCH OF DOING!!!!

Hypocrite.

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Venkuish1

200-300 years ago scientist left those unexplained things to religion.

I think our model is seriously flawed, insofar that it's missing an essential part of the whole... We'll see if they manage to coherently adapt the standard model with the implications quantum mechanics has. It will be hard without giving away too much of how that persistent illusion called reality actually works...

Dark matter is just a patch for a flawed model... It's as if no one can or dares or isn't alowed to think beyond the parameters set by Einstein. So when an observation doesn't fit Instead of rethinking the whole we come up with a new completely invented variable we have no proof of and tweak it until the Standard equation is solved.

It works, but the only proof you can really deduce is that the standard model is flawed if not completely wrong...

Good thing they have strange matter, next up strange energy?

It's more like religion wanted to have control of everything including science and scientists. It couldn't so from that point on we evolved rapidly.

It's more like you are quoting religious dogma. Don't forget your carbon offset alms today. Remember, as long as you pay the church, you will be considered a good little citizen.

Oh, and while you are at it, throw around some insults about the intelligence of those who question authority and research for themselves. Stand on your moral science high horse (until science tells you it is not a horse at all but a 4 legged, furry octopus) and tell the world how much more educated and smart you are. Because you believe without question.

Over the last 36 hours, you have been given logical facts that are reproducible, but since they do not fit your narrative, you bash them. You throw a book passage therefore trying to prove science with itself as the proof. you have offered nothing to back up your claims.

To the point of telling those of us who believe in God are idiots...mainly for believing in something that cant be seen or touched. While telling us to believe the science about this mysterious dark matter no one can see or touch.

And you, and those arguing with you, are too dense to see the irony in these 2 threads.

You don't know what you are talking about. This has been established. Earlier in this thread you postulated God as the cause of dark matter and all you have done is to try and argue religious views for natural phenomena or various scientific hypotheses that are currently researched by various scientists all over the world.

It's a strawman argument to say that I regard people who believe in God as stupid. You won't find any of my posts saying what you think I said.

The topic of the thread deals with dark matter and axions. If you don't have anything to offer then there are other threads in religion and origins/creationism where you can argue about your beliefs.

To question scientific authority or let's say scientific articles or papers you need to have some knowledge and evidence to go against the current models. If that was true then why not writing a paper yourself and send it to any university or journal for consideration. They will consider it.

I have created a number of threads and most are discussing scientific matters. If you don't want to read them or don't want to participate then that's up to you. There are many more around.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Venkuish1

200-300 years ago scientist left those unexplained things to religion.

I think our model is seriously flawed, insofar that it's missing an essential part of the whole... We'll see if they manage to coherently adapt the standard model with the implications quantum mechanics has. It will be hard without giving away too much of how that persistent illusion called reality actually works...

Dark matter is just a patch for a flawed model... It's as if no one can or dares or isn't alowed to think beyond the parameters set by Einstein. So when an observation doesn't fit Instead of rethinking the whole we come up with a new completely invented variable we have no proof of and tweak it until the Standard equation is solved.

It works, but the only proof you can really deduce is that the standard model is flawed if not completely wrong...

Good thing they have strange matter, next up strange energy?

The Standard Model of Particle Physics isn't a flawed model but it's not perfect either. It's a quantum field theory and on of the most successful theories we have.

home.cern...

Developed in the early 1970s, it has successfully explained almost all experimental results and precisely predicted a wide variety of phenomena. Over time and through many experiments, the Standard Model has become established as a well-tested physics theory.

It doesn't account for dark energy or dark matter and it doesn't account for the gravitational interaction.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Venkuish1

Visible Matter 5%
Dark Matter 27%
Dark Energy 68%

That's quite the give away as to how much we actually figured out...

95% of the needed matter for our model to work is so foreign to us we have to dup it dark...

There is a reason for calling this 'mysterious' form of matter 'dark'. This type of matter doesn't interact with light which means it doesn't absurd or emit radiation. It's a correct description when you can see it at all or can't detect it easily because it can only be 'seen' via the gravitational effects on ordinary matter.

Wow, so you don't know what it does, what it is, or what it is made of....

I mean, you know, cause science says. But the rest of the scientist that study it, will admit they don't know much about it.

And let's be honest, you just admitted that, of physics, we know less than 5%.

Good golly, that's 95% of matter we know nothing about....i bet we can make some stuff up, post it on 4chan, and next week you will quote it as fact. But again, with 95% unknown, you will be able to do whatever you want, and say it real. And those, like you, think their smart because they believe what they are told, will believe anything.

The rest of us "non scientists" will question everything.

Non scientists often take things out of context. Now if you have to be religious then the situation becomes even more complicated.

There is a lot we know about the possible existence of dark matter based on indirect evidence because dark matter doesn't interact with light and so it doesn't emit or absorb radiation. You can only 'see it' through its gravitational effects on the ordinary matter.

There is a lot we still don't know and that is the purpose of science! Through steps, effort, time, to find the truth about a scientific hypothesis for which there is plenty of indirect evidence.

I don't believe what I am told and neither the scientists believe what they are told. You ve got things wrong thinking that science somehow is based on unquestionable dogma that never changes and beliefs.

What kind of honesty are you talking about?? The basic information I have linked above is taught in schools and it's just basic knowledge. 5% of all matter-energy in the universe is visible matter. Basic school science...

Just like this basic knowledge?

A man can not give birth to a child. But science has changed definitions so as to not hurt the feelings of the mentally ill.

So now a fact of science is that a man can give birth. It is taught in the schools as fact.

Which, if I believed in evolution...as you know, I dont....I can scientifically make the case that evolution decided that the gene pool of the LGBT community is not worth keeping around. So therefore, they lose the desire to be with the opposite sex and continue that genealogy.

Before you call me any ist, look at the founding of planned parenthood. It was originally created to do abortions to eliminate minorities, the infirm, and the simple.

Both Bill gates' father, and Margaret Sanger, Co founders, are quoted as saying as much.

Their reasoning? The science of evolution.

Look it up all documented.

And as a bonus, look up the letter Gerbels sent to them. It thanks them for their work. It explains how the Germans were using that as a template for their solution the inferior jew problem.

Again, using science to control people.

Hell, bill gates is documented to use vaccines in Africa to sterilize the population. Talk about controlling people...secretly chemically castrating them because you decide what is right.

So to me, it seems scientists are the new church.

When do you get crowned bishop?

a reply to: theatreboy

Oppenheimer did quote the Hindu sacred text the Bhagavad Gita.

“Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.”

They used said tool on Hiroshima And Nagasaki but certainly not for spiritual purposes.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: theatreboy

Oppenheimer did quote the Hindu sacred text the Bhagavad Gita.

“Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.”

They used said tool on Hiroshima And Nagasaki but certainly not for spiritual purposes.

And that is my problem with "science" today. It is not used for good. Most of our research has been used for greed and power. It has not been used to help people.

Google was invented not to be a search engine, but used the search engine to map the human mind. The idea being to better sell. By predicting people's choices and desires.

All in an effort to manipulate the masses into doing what they are doing.

a reply to: theatreboy

And that is my problem with "science" today. It is not used for good. Most of our research has been used for greed and power. It has not been used to help people.

I tend to agree that's a terrible thing theatreboy.

I'm just wondering when in recorded history it's been much different.

Historically, wars have often driven our technological innovation and accelerated the development of new technologies.

Sad but true.

Might be nice to see what humanity could achieve with a couple of 1000 years of peace all the same, but that's somewhat wishful thinking.

a reply to: Venkuish1

No...
it was shortly after the pope told the king:"you keep them poor, I keep them dumb", that the pope realized they're too clever and curious to be kept dumb, so he created another branch to keep the narrative over the natural world in check...

The methods are so similar, science is either a religious sock puppet or trolling really hard...

a reply to: Venkuish1

Ok, I give you that!

the model we use to describe the 5% of everything we can observe, works out pretty well.
But

To think the model that works inside those 5% will be applicable to anything else, is quite a leap...

We haven't even scratched the surface, and we won't if we focuse solely on the world out there...

You are part and parcel of the experienced experience, and solong science looks for answers about the experience outside the experiencing the truth will remain a dark secret...

Equations don’t work therefore make something up so that they do. That seems about the size of it. It HAS to exist for the models to work. If it doesn’t exist then those models are wrong. It’s quite simple.

Current thinking pretty much makes interstellar travel impossible in any real timeframe. We are essentially trapped into a very small region. If the models are wrong then maybe that isn’t the case.

Who knows really? Seems like science has invented a God it cannot see, measure or even find in order to make sense of things. Who would have thought.

a reply to: Venkuish1

You know, once upon a time, 'dark matter' just referred to matter that was non-reflective and non-radiative. Like conventional matter that was cold and black and billions of miles away from a nearby star. It had mass, but could not be imaged.

The fact that starlight gets through is due to the dense clumping of the invisible matter. It can only block the light when it is directly between the star and the 'scope.

I think the problem is in the grey matter.