About 1200 UNRWA Staffers Have Links to Hamas, Thousands More Closely Related

originally posted by: NanomachinesSon
I claim BS on everything you post. You wanna know why? Because they are nothing but BS.

No. It's fact. Hamas leadership lives in Qatar and Turkey and they were billionaires. I gave the information. And you failed to adequately refute anything I posted. Cussing, insulting and calling the information BS without backing up your claim isn't factual evidence proving the information wrong. It's just drivel and it's against the rules.

Let's start with something basic, shall we? Turkey's official stance on "israel targeting hamas members in turkey" is the fact that it goes against turkey's sovereignty.

Let's start with something basic, shall we? like you failed to show that Hamas isn't living and working out of Turkey. My statement that they are is what you called BS before. And I showed that they do indeed live and work out of Turkey. I posted information showing Erdogan protecting them. You have failed to show that they don't live and work out of Turkey. THAT is what you called BS before.

As for Qatar, if you are so sure, why don't you bomb them ...

Again ... you said that the fact Hamas leadership is wealthy and lives in Qatar is BS. I showed it's a fact. You have failed to show that the facts presented are wrong.

originally posted by: NanomachinesSon
You can runaway from your crimes but you can't hide them. Your boys proudly committed a war crime and you know it

Off topic deflection. If you want to talk about that then go start a thread on it.
This thread is about UNRWA. I suggest you get on topic.


Where Hamas leadership lives and how wealthy they are is OFF TOPIC DEFLECTION. That's discussion for another thread. THIS ONE FROM NOVEMBER The topic of this thread is UNRWA links to Hamas.

... and we have more UNRWA information from over the years ....

Example of the mentality of the UNRWA "teachers" -

UNRWA Teachers of Hate

Erdan cited a report published by the UN Watch NGO, that documented over 120 UNRWA educators and staff promoting violence and antisemitism on social media. Titled “UNRWA’s Teachers of Hate,” the report also discovered 20 new cases of “virulent UNRWA staff incitement which violate the agency’s rules and stated values of zero tolerance for racism, discrimination or antisemitism.”

One May 2022 Facebook post by an UNRWA teacher in Lebanon, Elham Mansour, declared: “By Allah, anyone who can kill and slaughter any Zionist and Israeli criminal, and doesn’t do so, doesn’t deserve to live. Kill them and pursue them everywhere, they are the greatest enemy….All Israel deserves is death.” Another post by Mansour, addressed to “filthy Zionists,” urged Palestinians to “slaughter each and every one of you and toss you into the garbage heaps, because you are filthy, you contaminate any land you are in.”

UN Watchdog Group - Dozens of UNRWA Teachers Condone Violence Spread Antisemitism

Dozens of teachers and other workers employed by the United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees have incited violence, shared photos praising Adolf Hitler, and spread antisemitic conspiracy theories on social media, according to a report compiled by a watchdog released early Monday.

Fact Checking UNRWA Claims It Isn't Linked To Hamas
Read the entire report. The claims of UNRWA have been proven false. Credible information is given.

Report on UNRWAs Misuse of US Funds Presented in Washington DC

According to the report, titled “UNRWA Education: Textbooks and Terror,” education takes up 58% of the budget of UNRWA, the United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees. It says that UNRWA operates 183 schools in the Gaza Strip, catering to more than 286,000 students, and those schools use the Palestinian Authority’s curriculum, which is taught across the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem.

The report said that despite reforms in 2016, the PA’s textbooks “have remained openly anti-Semitic and continue to encourage violence, jihad, and martyrdom, while peace is not taught as preferable or even possible. Extreme nationalism and Islamist ideologies proliferate throughout the curriculum, including in science and math textbooks.”

The report said that some 82 UNRWA teachers and other staff in over 30 schools were involved in drafting, approving, and distributing “hateful content” in violation of UN, UNESCO, and UNRWA standards. One example was an UNRWA-created Arabic reading comprehension exercise for ninth graders at UNRWA’s Al-Maghazi Middle School for Boys B in Gaza, which celebrated a Palestinian firebombing attack on a Jewish bus as a “barbecue party.” Another example was at UNRWA’s Al-Zaytun Elementary School in Gaza, where fifth graders were taught to glorify Dalal Mughrabi, a terrorist who in 1978 carried out a civilian bus bombing on Israel’s Coastal Road in which 38 Israeli civilians, including 13 children, were murdered.

UNRWA Watch Report - Presented in DC
The full reports are available at the link.

With this damning report, documenting support for the October 7 Massacre among UNRWA teachers and other staff members, IMPACT-se uncovers evidence of the connection between the content of textbooks taught in UNRWA schools and the atrocities committed on October 7, reflecting years of hate-teaching in these schools. The report shows that to date, at least fourteen teachers and staff at UNRWA schools have publicly celebrated the October 7 massacre and other Hamas attacks on their social media accounts. One UNRWA teacher in the school system in Gaza, Sarah Alderawy, posted a video clip on the day of the massacre showing Hamas terrorists roaming the Israeli streets with rifles while shooting at Israeli cars and rocket attacks in Israel. Over half of Gazan school students attend UNRWA schools. The report further reveals that at least 100 Hamas members committing the terror attacks are graduates of UNRWA’s education system, whose textbooks include content that encourages antisemitism, glorifies violence and promotes militant .

A joint IMPACT-se/United Nations Watch report, concerning incitement to hate and violence by UNRWA teachers and schools,is being presented on Tuesday, March 14 to Congress. The report uncovers 47 new cases of incitement by UNRWA staff, in breach of the agency’s stated policies of zero tolerance for racism, discrimination, or antisemitism in its schools and educational materials. Teachers and schools at the UN agency that runs education and social services for Palestinians regularly call for the murder of Jews, and create teaching materials that glorify terrorism, encourage martyrdom, demonize Israelis, and incite antisemitism. The report captures evidence taken from inside UNRWA classrooms, showing the teaching of these materials, and revealing how UNRWA’s own content directs students to study specific hateful passages in Palestinian textbooks—which the organization claims teachers are told to skip. The findings also contradict statements and promises made very recently by UNRWA to donor nations and were also submitted to U.S. Ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield; EU Commissioner Joseph Borell; German Chancellor, Olaf Scholz; UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres; and UNRWA chief Philippe Lazzarini.

LONG READ - But very interesting.
The Case Against UNRWA - House Docs

Written Testimony by Hillel C. Neuer Executive Director of United Nations Watch
Submitted to the Hearing on:

“UNRWA Exposed: Examining the Agency’s Mission and Failures”

The House Committee on Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Oversight and Accountability
&
Subcommittee on Global Health, Global Human Rights, and International Organizations

January 30, 2024

originally posted by: FlyersFan
No. It's fact. Hamas leadership lives in Qatar and Turkey and they were billionaires.

Prove these so called "facts". Let me guess, you are going to post more "news" whose only source is israel. How convenient for you guys, huh?

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Let's start with something basic, shall we? like you failed to show that Hamas isn't living and working out of Turkey.

Prove it then. But no, you just make claims and expect others to "debunk" as if your claims needs debunking. Provide proofs please. In every thread you create you just post israeli backed "news" whose story ALWAYS ends up with some "israeli told, jews claim, he heard, she witnessed". There is nothing real backing those claims though. Not even an audio, not a single video, not a single sample, not a single proof. It is always "trust us" with you.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
I showed that they do indeed live and work out of Turkey.

You showed "news" that came from israelis. Hell, some of the sites you post as "proof" are called "timesofisrael" and "jpost" for god's sake.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Again ... you said that the fact Hamas leadership is wealthy and lives in Qatar is BS. I showed it's a fact. You have failed to show that the facts presented are wrong.

Oh I didn't know "news" articles meant facts. Can I show you this news article from al jazeera where they say you are all genocidal maniacs? You'll believe them right? It has to be true since you certainly seem to think news articles means facts.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Off topic deflection.
This thread is about UNRWA. I suggest you get on topic.

No, this thread is about anyone involved with UNRWA, including israel. I suggest you get on topic and address why you think israel shouldn't be held accountable for their war crime.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Where Hamas leadership lives and how wealthy they are is OFF TOPIC DEFLECTION.

You are the one that claimed to know where they live in the first place. If it is off topic deflection that means you are the one doing it, not me.

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UN Watch Fact Check from US Senate Office

Not surprisingly, UNRWA staff have been found to be affiliated with Hamas. For example, in February 2017, UNRWA suspended school principal and Chairman of the UNRWA Gaza workers’ union Suhail al-Hindi, after it received information that al-Hindi had just been elected to the Hamas Politburo. UNRWA reportedly took issue with the fact that he had been elected to political office, but not that he was a member of Hamas. At the time, UNRWA engineer Muhammad al-Jamassi was also elected to the Hamas Politburo, but it is not known whether UNRWA took any action regarding him. Furthermore, according to the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, Hamas has controlled the UNRWA Gaza staff union since 2009 and many UNRWA employees are affiliated with Hamas. UNRWA spokeswoman Tamara Alrifai confirmed to Foreign Policy in 2021 that UNRWA takes action only when its employees are found to hold a political position with Hamas.

In addition, just looking at whether a staff person formally affiliates with a terrorist group is not sufficient. In the case of UNRWA, some staff that may not affiliate with Hamas have nonetheless publicly endorsed Hamas and its terrorist activity on Facebook. Indeed, our latest report found ten UNRWA employees who posted praise, support, and justification for Hamas’ barbaric October 7th slaughter and hostage-taking, including one staff-member whose nephew was among the terrorists that committed atrocities that day.

Furthermore, UNRWA facilities have been exploited by Hamas. For example, Hamas is known to have stored rockets in and built tunnels underneath UNRWA facilities, even as recently as December 2022. The UN itself found that during the summer 2014 Gaza war, Hamas had fired rockets from UNRWA schools.

Finally, UNRWA is susceptible to pressure from Hamas. In May 2021, UNRWA was forced to re-assign its Gaza Director, Mathias Schmale, after he had admitted in a television interview that the Israeli strikes were “very precise,” i.e., not targeting civilians, and Hamas declared him persona non grata in Gaza. Likewise, in April 2023, UNRWA bowed to pressure, including from Hamas, to reinstate a teacher who had been suspended for endorsing terrorism on Facebook.

a reply to: Lazy88

No. Isreal was trying to treat the people of Gaza with some humility, and based on history thought even Hamas wouldn’t just launched an attack of nothing but targeting and slaughtering civilians. Like how you want Isreal to treat Gaza now, before they got bunt by Oct 7.

If you wish to believe that then that is up to you but it is pure nonsense , the history of Israel's activities in Gaza and the West Bank are well documented over decades , how Israel treated the people of Gaza before Oct 7th is the reason for Oct 7th.

Now. You trying to push a BS article that Isreal attacked its own people on Oct 7.

Israeli witnesses have said that's what happened , the activation of the Hannibal Directive gives the military authorization to kill Israeli civilians if it stops them being taken captive.

According to Yasmin Porat, who had fled the electronic music festival – Which had come under attack, which was held right between Kibbutz Be’eri and Kibbutz Rahim, which also have military bases essentially embedded within them – It was held on the road between these two kibbutzim and came under attack. Many captives were taken. This woman, Yasmin Porat, fled to Kibbutz Be’eri, went into a home with her partner, and then they were taken captive momentarily by gunmen. She recounted to Israeli National Radio that when the Israeli special forces arrived, they started shooting everyone and that most of the captives, along with the Hamas gunmen, were caught in the crossfire, and that everyone was killed except for her and her captor, who used her as a human shield in order to guarantee his own safety when he surrendered.
therealnews.com...

Testimony of Yasmin Porat with subtitles. (4 min duration)


There are many other accounts but hey , it's all BS innit.

a reply to: gortex

her captor, who used her as a human shield in order to guarantee his own safety when he surrendered.

So in addition to using their own Palestinians as human shields they also used the innocent Israelis as human shields.
Not surprising to anybody paying even a bit of attention, and thanks for pointing it out.
Those terrorist animals justly deserve to be eradicated.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Not surprisingly, UNRWA staff have been found to be affiliated with Hamas. For example, in February 2017, UNRWA suspended school principal and Chairman of the UNRWA Gaza workers’ union Suhail al-Hindi, after it received information that al-Hindi had just been elected to the Hamas Politburo. UNRWA reportedly took issue with the fact that he had been elected to political office, but not that he was a member of Hamas. At the time, UNRWA engineer Muhammad al-Jamassi was also elected to the Hamas Politburo, but it is not known whether UNRWA took any action regarding him. Furthermore, according to the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, Hamas has controlled the UNRWA Gaza staff union since 2009 and many UNRWA employees are affiliated with Hamas. UNRWA spokeswoman Tamara Alrifai confirmed to Foreign Policy in 2021 that UNRWA takes action only when its employees are found to hold a political position with Hamas.

In addition, just looking at whether a staff person formally affiliates with a terrorist group is not sufficient. In the case of UNRWA, some staff that may not affiliate with Hamas have nonetheless publicly endorsed Hamas and its terrorist activity on Facebook. Indeed, our latest report found ten UNRWA employees who posted praise, support, and justification for Hamas’ barbaric October 7th slaughter and hostage-taking, including one staff-member whose nephew was among the terrorists that committed atrocities that day.

Furthermore, UNRWA facilities have been exploited by Hamas. For example, Hamas is known to have stored rockets in and built tunnels underneath UNRWA facilities, even as recently as December 2022. The UN itself found that during the summer 2014 Gaza war, Hamas had fired rockets from UNRWA schools.

Finally, UNRWA is susceptible to pressure from Hamas. In May 2021, UNRWA was forced to re-assign its Gaza Director, Mathias Schmale, after he had admitted in a television interview that the Israeli strikes were “very precise,” i.e., not targeting civilians, and Hamas declared him persona non grata in Gaza. Likewise, in April 2023, UNRWA bowed to pressure, including from Hamas, to reinstate a teacher who had been suspended for endorsing terrorism on Facebook.

Yeah, lets believe greatest ally of israel! Surely they won't lie just to defend them It's not like they are known for killing millions for a non-existent wmd in the middle east and then saying "oops, my bad!".

a reply to: NanomachinesSon

Hamas leadership and Turkey/Qatar have always been open about living in both countries. They haven''t lived in Gaza for well over a decade and initially lived in Syria before being exiled in mid Feb 2012 - only the military wing of Hamas remained in Gaza while the political wing controlled smuggling routes from overseas to line their own pockets at the expense of Gazans.

Hamas' political office openned in Doha in 2012 here's a clip of the Qatar PM talking about Hamas' official offices there and how the offices have been used in the current conflict.


Likewise Turkey openly fund, support and house Hamas with Erdogan ramping up his support of them and threats towards Israel in recent months as it is a big election issue.

There's a good write-up on the history of Turkey/Hamas here and Turkey recently claimed to have foiled a Mossas plot to kill the Hamas leaders located there.

Turkey-Hamas Relations

Turkey arrest 34 alleged Mossad agents - warn Israel against targetting Hamas leaders living in Turkey

a reply to: Vermilion

So in addition to using their own Palestinians as human shields they also used the innocent Israelis as human shields.

Guess you didn't watch the video , Yasmin Porat says he was the terrorist she made a connection with over the 2 hours they were there , he used her as a human shield to save his life , she doesn't seem to hold any malice against him for that as the Israeli commandoes had already shot 5 or 6 kibbutz members.

originally posted by: gortex
If you wish to believe that then that is up to you but it is pure nonsense , the history of Israel's activities in Gaza and the West Bank are well documented over decades , how Israel treated the people of Gaza before Oct 7th is the reason for Oct 7th.

This is about how they treat people in general, it is not about just gaza or palestinians. Disregarding human life seems to be israel's default behavior. History repeats itself many times, and reality doesn't care if some people deny it or not.

Brief reminder of the past:

At the time of the attack, the USS Liberty was flying the American flag and its identification was clearly indicated in large white letters and numerals on its hull. ... Experience demonstrates that both the flag and the identification number of the vessel were readily visible from the air ... Accordingly, there is every reason to believe that the USS Liberty was identified, or at least her nationality determined, by Israeli aircraft approximately one hour before the attack. ... The subsequent attack by the torpedo boats, substantially after the vessel was or should have been identified by Israeli military forces, manifests the same reckless disregard for human life.

Source: en.wikipedia.org...

What's been happening in the past days:

The Israel Defense Forces on Thursday released the findings of an investigation into the deaths of three Israeli hostages who were shot in Gaza by IDF soldiers on Dec. 15.
...
The hostages had emerged from the building shirtless and one was waving a white flag, the IDF said.

Source: www.nbcnews.com...

Three Israeli hostages mistakenly killed by soldiers in Gaza on Friday had used leftover food to write signs pleading for help, Israel says.

Source: www.bbc.com...

And here's latest news article, and look, there is even a testimony so according to some people here it cannot possibly be wrong:

His brother Ahmed, 18, told Al Jazeera that the shooting was coming from the direction of al-Katiba about 400 metres [1,312 feet] away, an area where Sanad was able to confirm Israeli military activity on the day in question.
...
Seeing what had happened to his little brother, Ramez ran out of the house to try to pull him out of harm’s way. He was shot in the heart and fell on his stricken brother, white flag and all.

www.aljazeera.com...

Or, can it be wrong?
To be honest it is hard to follow the narrative here. Am I supposed to follow only israeli narrative or am I just yet another of those so called "anti-semite"

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: NanomachinesSon

Hamas leadership and Turkey/Qatar have always been open about living in both countries. They haven''t lived in Gaza for well over a decade and initially lived in Syria before being exiled in mid Feb 2012 - only the military wing of Hamas remained in Gaza while the political wing controlled smuggling routes from overseas to line their own pockets at the expense of Gazans.

Hamas' political office openned in Doha in 2012 here's a clip of the Qatar PM talking about Hamas' official offices there and how the offices have been used in the current conflict.

Likewise Turkey openly fund, support and house Hamas with Erdogan ramping up his support of them and threats towards Israel in recent months as it is a big election issue.

There's a good write-up on the history of Turkey/Hamas here and Turkey recently claimed to have foiled a Mossas plot to kill the Hamas leaders located there.

Turkey-Hamas Relations

Turkey arrest 34 alleged Mossad agents - warn Israel against targetting Hamas leaders living in Turkey

I don't know if you are reading your own links. I've read them all. First link never puts any solid material on the table it basically says "turkey is hiding them, trust me bro" followed by their president's having a phone call with one of the so called "hamas leaders" where he literally says to them "we will do everything we can do for a ceasefire agreement".

Alright, lets say I believe turkey and qatar is hiding moss, er, hamas members/leaders/whatever. So here is the problem with this. There is a way easier solution for this. And no, it doesn't involve allowing mossad go on an unchecked murder spree inside their borders. How about, let's say if you are sure they are in those countries and you are confident you can prove it, you reach authorities on an official level and reach an agreement with them about catching these criminals? Maybe even conduct a joint operation with them? What's preventing israel from following this path? What gives them right to send "agents" to a foreign land and then act like they did nothing wrong? Does israel not recognize them as a state? So what's up with all this failed backstabby non-sense

As for the second link, give me a single good reason why any country should let mossad operate freely in their borders and just let them kill whoever they want ,wherever they want and whenever they want when israel would never allow them to do the same Why is israel acting like they did nothing wrong, even when their agents are caught on the act

a reply to: NanomachinesSon

I can see the headline spin now.

“Breaking News! Israeli Soldier Uses Palestinian Family As Human Shield”

twitter.com...

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Lazy88

Israel obviously did fail to listen to the warnings and their brutal response to that failure is feeding the hate in the region , I don't see why you find that so hard to understand, killing tens of thousands of civilians will not aid their security.

I don't care about either side of this conflict, to be honest. It is two brothers with 1000s of year of hate boiling up, as it always does. However, tens of thousands of civilians is a might strong claim. Do you have proof ofthe number, the validity that they are civilians, and that Israel knowingly killed them?

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Lazy88

If you wish to believe that then that is up to you but it is pure nonsense ,

It’s fact.

Israel previously issued more than 18,000 permits allowing Gazans to cross into Israel and the Israeli-occupied West Bank to take jobs in sectors like agriculture or construction that typically carried salaries up to 10 times what a worker could earn in the blockaded Gaza Strip.

www.reuters.com...#:~:text=Israel%20previousl y%20issued%20more%20than,in%20the%20blockaded%20Gaza%20Strip.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Lazy88


Israeli witnesses have said that's what happened ,

I was referring this thread you posted “Israeli newspaper reporting army helicopter may have fired on partygoers at dance festival”

Which has nothing to do with the quote your provided.

And what would Israeli special forces even look like? How would they be identified. And if they were shooting everyone indiscriminately, why would they not shoot her? Why is she still alive. And again, has nothing to do with the thread you pushed with a helicopter. You wanting it to be true.

You posted witnesses as in plural? Who else?


You didn’t answer the question. If Isreal attacked Gaza before Oct 7 to stop a terrorist attack, you would have supported that right. Your posting history shows otherwise. Did you ever answer how Isreal should defend itself from Hamas that sanctioned the murder, rape, and kidnapping of civilians on Oct. 7? Hamas that has launched tens of thousands of rockets into Isreal over the years. Hamas that has turned Gaza neighbours and civilian infrastructure into rocket manufacturing, storage, and rockets bases. Hamas that cowers in hospitals. Hamas that claimed an Isreal air strike killed 500 at a hospital that turned out to be a misfired rocket from Gaza. Hamas that claimed an Israeli air strike took out 70 civilians in a convoy that all evidence points to IED’s planted by Palestinian extremists.

originally posted by: BigDuckEnergy

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Lazy88

Israel obviously did fail to listen to the warnings and their brutal response to that failure is feeding the hate in the region , I don't see why you find that so hard to understand, killing tens of thousands of civilians will not aid their security.

I don't care about either side of this conflict, to be honest. It is two brothers with 1000s of year of hate boiling up, as it always does. However, tens of thousands of civilians is a might strong claim. Do you have proof ofthe number, the validity that they are civilians, and that Israel knowingly killed them?

Its like the claim by Hamas 500 killed at a hospital, it proves

One, Hamas will inflate the number by a factor of 5

Two, will lie about deaths caused by their own misfired rockets. And try to blame Isreal.

originally posted by: Lazy88
“Israeli newspaper reporting army helicopter may have fired on partygoers at dance festival”

That BS was debunked long ago and it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread .... UNRWA.

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originally posted by: gortex
According to Yasmin Porat, ...

Her quote - Yasmin Porat: "We shouted at that point to the special forces who had gotten there to stop shooting, and they heard me and they stopped. And I saw on the grass of the kibbutz there, five or six hostages lying on the ground outside, from the massacre, in the line of fire between our forces and the terrorists."

She does not say that she saw IDF shoot Israelis. The Israelis were laying dead between the crossfire. Hamas could have killed them or IDF crossfire.

And again ... this has nothing to do with UNRWA which is the topic of this thread.

a reply to: FlyersFan

www.c-span.org.../user-clip-monitor-palenstinian-helth-ministry-numbers

Footage from The Hague.

Explains how the fictional numbers are “parroted”.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

That BS was debunked long ago and it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread .... UNRWA.

Shrugs. The list of Hamas lies people are willing to believe to put the “Jews” in a bad light is long, while people ignore the truth like the rot at the UNRWA.