A Clique within a Clique

What happened in 1666?

Who are the Sabbatean Frankists?

Who infiltrated Freemasonry centuries before?

Who is the cult of the All-Seeing Eye?

Who secretly rules Turkey?

Who is steering Western civilization towards communism?



Before some low energy denouncers come to crap all over this thread, this is the type of investigation that seems perfect for a place like ATS right?

Right.


It seems that once you get closer to the truth there are gatekeepers everywhere happy to talk for hours in other threads where scratching the surface of some current event keeps most people content.

Personally I want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

If you have a natural intuition that the world is seriously screwed up, not by random chance and opportunistic circumstance but by design, then you might enjoy the video above as it sheds further light on the who, what, when, where and whys not only of present day events, but leading up to this moment from millenia before.

No doubt some words of discouragement are incoming, as ATS has always had its fair share of teachers pets, ready to rubbish any curiosity towards anyone who dares to look beyond the veil.

But for the few who enjoy a deep dive no matter where it leads, this one is for you.

I'm also happy to note that the video above dispels the notion that Robert Sepehr is an anti-semite, as it it is clear that most Jewish people are unaware and not involved in what is being discussed in the video.

Enjoy!

a reply to: 19Bones79
Nice, thanks bones, I will be watching this later on in the morning when I get off work.


Peace.

a reply to: 19Bones79


Ahem...like i mentioned in the other thread ,Sepehr is not trustworthy .

Example :

In he`s video " Vril and Occult Free Energy" in youtube .

At 4.28 Sepehr says :

Quote "born on October 31st 1895 to a ballerina from Vienna Austria the medium maria orsic was leader of the german Vril society"

There is no evidence from before 1992 for the existence of Maria Orsic , it is hoax created by two Austrians Norbert Jurgen-Ratthofer and Ralf Ettl 1992 book Das-Vril Projekt .

The Maria Orsic Hoax

The Nazis Came From Middle Earth (and Possibly Still Live There)

Just Jenny McCarthy mainstreaming the story of Maria Orsic. The "beautiful female" she refers to never existed until the 90s, when she was made up by two neo-naz*s. Two decades later, their fascist, anti-semitic story gets repeated as fact on Sirius XM.


So basically people who spread conspiracy theorys etc and get caught on lying are actually damaging to CT communitys IMO....we seen the flat earthers etc . And frankly, too many people seem to point out that Sepehr spread stories that are not true .

originally posted by: 19Bones79
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No doubt some words of discouragement are incoming, as ATS has always had its fair share of teachers pets, ready to rubbish any curiosity towards anyone who dares to look beyond the veil.

Wouldn't you want to know when someone is deceiving you, when you are being tricked by means of propaganda? Wouldn't you like to know how to recognize the red flags of propaganda in the presentation of conspiracy theories, or so-called "science" when in actuality it is pseudoscience, in politics, religion, philosophy, or any other type of teaching?

If someone else notices the red flags that you are being victimized by propaganda (of any kind), wouldn't it be the more neighbourly thing to do to at least give you a heads-up about it, perhaps even give some information as to which red flags to look for, so you can better evaluate any message or information that comes your way?

For that purpose the following article describes a few common tactics used by propagandists and the accompanying behaviour and modus operandi:

The Manipulation of Information (Awake!—2000)

Try to see if you can spot any of these red flags in the video you shared. Some good habits and attitudes to have while doing this (i.e. evaluating any message that comes your way in light of their propaganda content), are discussed on the subsequent page:

Do Not Be a Victim of Propaganda! (Awake!—2000)

... Once you are familiar with some of their tricks [whereislogic: discussed on the previous page], you are in a better position to evaluate any message or information that comes your way. Here are some ways to do this.

Be selective: ...

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime. (swap out "fish" with recognizing propaganda or how best to evaluate any message or information that comes your way, and... what to feed your mind*)

*:

Some people today are like sponges; they soak up whatever they come across. It is all too easy to absorb whatever is around us.

But it is far better for each individual personally to choose what he will feed his mind. It is said that we are what we eat, and this can apply to food for both the body and the mind. No matter what you are reading or watching or listening to, test to see whether it has propagandistic overtones or is truthful.

...

That was from the last page, under "Put information to the test:".

And one last tip, always try to avoid falling into this trap (behavioural pattern), because the behavioural pattern is widespread, and propagandists of all kinds and in all walks of life (from politics to the sciences, from religion to philosophy, from business to the practice of medicine) make efficient use of this widespread phenomenon:

“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”] teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.* [Or “to tell them what they want to hear.”] They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.” (2 Timothy 4:3,4)

“So we should no longer be children, tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in deceptive schemes.” (Ephesians 4:14)

a reply to: Kenzo

Ahem...like i mentioned in the other thread ,Sepehr is not trustworthy .

Example :

In he`s video " Vril and Occult Free Energy" in youtube .

So we haven't watched the video I have posted and framed our points of discussion centered around the actual topic of this thread?

Watch the video.

Do your best to find any discrepancies and feel free to come back and report on them.

Lol.

a reply to: whereislogic

The irony of someone doing someone else the favor of pointing out that they may be a victim of propaganda and then to strengthen their case they quote scripture must be completely lost on you.

a reply to: 19Bones79

Personally I want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

And I applaud you for it. The saying "We do not see things as they are, we see them as we are" and "For things to reveal themselves to us, we need to be ready to abandon our views about them" are not just good quotes.

It's not easy to see how deep the rabbit hole really goes if we persist in our beliefs and biases, what we THINK we KNOW. We will immediately reject what causes dissonance unless we are aware of it and are willing to entertain an idea that goes against our internal convictions without necessarily accepting it.

I like some of Robert's videos, so I am inclined to hear what he has to say about the topic, whether I agree or disagree.

a reply to: Kenzo

Thanks for posting that with links. It's not something I've heard previously. It should be an interesting rabbit to chase, but my questions is...

Who benefits from the "hoax"?

a reply to: Klassified




Would have to ask the question from Sepehr , why is he making up stories that are total bs or simply lack scientific evidense.


I cant take him seriously either because i have not see him being enough critical stance about the Atlantis or the Atlanteans people , i mean Plato's writings about Atlantis are the only known records of its existence , even thought the Egyptians had been writing about all stuff to either text or hieroglyphs long before Plato but there are no clear writings about Atlantis....., so he seems to want push the theory too much , another red flag.

A good con man takes a litle bit o truth and a lot o lies and pulls the wool over the eyes of the ignorant

He seem to also benefit economically ? having audience/ followers of " cough" cult by asking donations and selling books from the nice "stories" he make . Does he have a real job ? does all he`s income come selling the stories to followers ?

There could be many reasons and motives why people talk crazy stories...

a reply to: 19Bones79
It certainly has my interest. I will watch this shortly when I get home. I got to ask the old man next door if he will permit me to borrow his wifi so I can connect this to my tv and see it on a bigger screen. According to a book I borrowed by a man named William Cooper, Behold a Pale Horse,The original secret society may have been known as the order of the dragon/snake and originated in Central Asia. That essentially that all secret societies are part of the grand illuminati, but each has their own ideas of who will rule and how. Btu the common theme were socialist/communist values including the end of private ownership, democratic principles and ultimately an iron fisted authoritarian fascist society where the cattle of humanity who are too stupid to exist in balance are properly managed by the 'illuminated' elites .

To some degree I can understand what they mean by humans are just too stupid. Part of that is intentional though as the real powers of humanity, the secret society elites themselves are creating and enhancing systems to further dumb down mankind. I still believe there is a non-human entity involved in much of this plot that the illuminati are worshipping as their master.

the Term illuminati is just a simple umbrella term to cover these secret groups, there is no actual entity called the Illuminati. Those who are illuminated.

a reply to: 19Bones79

There are rabbit holes and there are rabbit holes, and over there? More rabbit holes. A fine novel about rabbit holes written by Umberto Eco was Foucault's Pendulum. It is an excellent story about consiracy hunters, following esoteric messages and ancient lore in pursuit of a grand treasure. The story unfolds as it progresses only to find that there are other hunters on the same pursuit as the protagonists, all following the same clues. Clues that were hidden and then found, clues that were forgotten and then remembered.

In the end, as surely as the treasure must be in this box in the final chamber, all come to realize that the clues, all those clues were in reality nothing more than speculations creatively laid out on the basis of previous clues which were of course speculations on in infinitum.

I am leery of rabbit holes finding them all around me should I stop a moment to ponder. What I most am reticent concerning them is when someone offers guidance holding a flashlight so that we may find our way. This video for instance.

I attempted to watch it here and only a few moments in it began to buffer and buffer. On calling it up straight from You tube it would not begin at all. Into my head, unannounced came a thought, a thought I recognized from another part of my life, another frame of thought that I followed for a while that certainly this interference was God telling me not to watch the video. I recognized this as just that, my attention had been to climb into the rabbit hole openly to see what it had to offer, but God, knowing me, thought better of letting me into it.

And I recognized that that was all it was, just another thought that popped up in my head to fill the openness I had created to take in the information in the video. So I persisted. I closed out my internet and restarted it and sure enough, up came you tube.

I might have jumped right into the video there but instead found highlights of last nights Warrior/ Laker double overtime won by LeBron James at the free throw line to tie it and then win it with five seconds left.

And on into the video. There were a lot of names there as the story went along. I was familiar with the well known history of the French Riots and murders and so awaited the meat of the rabbit hole it offered. Finally it began.

There were names I did not know and as the connections between familiar names and unfamiliar names I did not know began, the visual side of the video seemed to cut to a cook cooking and a man sitting at the grill waiting to eat. He would turn to the camera and smile and then go back to waiting until the cook put food in front of him and then put food in front of the camera and then go back to cooking,,,,all the while that the narration droned on.

Now me, being the easily distracted soul that I am, found this difficult as you may guess. With my penchant to let old thoughts slip into my present consciousness unbidden and only there for lack of coherent input, the internet glitch,and my ever roving mind snapping to attention again with the offer of other interests, the Warriors game, it should be no wonder that my visual input signals which were completely at odds to the audio input signals over rode the narration and hence my memory of what I was seeing has completely cancelled what might have been said in those moments.

And that, to me is a danger in these rabbit holes. For me, rabbit holes need to be precise. Each step of the way those connections must be made to secure the rope that holds us to minds of our own if not sanity itself. One false step, one bit of information in the chain of discovery can send me off into incredible investigations that in the end amount to nothing more than Focault's Pendulum.

a reply to: BingoMcGoof
I figured the guy eating the food was the narrator or the guy who made the video if the narrator is computerized. It would be odd for him to just splice some random fellow eating food, because to me that would signify a targeted subconcious affect in the brain for some unknown reason. I already had chinese this week, so I did not really care. In fact I was so stuffed off of Chinese take out for the past three days I was a bit annoyed. Would have done better just showing me some random urban traffic intersection with pedestrian traffic around. I would have found that more interesting as a filler.

By fifteen minutes the video has progressed to a secret society known as Dmoneh, who are Jews that converted to Islam in 1666 and have ruled Turkey for five centuries. Now that is interesting. I suspect the Jews will be framed as the antagonists by the end of this video, if not Islam or perhaps both.

The Rotshchild party pictures are nice. I am really enjoying this . Thanks Bones. The kind of stuff I always enjoyed finding since I first found this place. Obviously I will draw my own conclusions, but its good to put these Rothschilds back into the spotlight.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Yeah, I try my best to keep an open mind, to draw my own conclusions yet in doing so I also recognize the entire premise that people are out to ''gettcha'' and that an open mind is fertile soil for them.

It would be odd for him to just splice some random fellow eating food, because to me that would signify a targeted subconcious affect in the brain for some unknown reason

Almost exactly. To me it could be one of three things. The video aspect seemed so far afield from the narration that even an abstract connection alludes me. So I rule that one out as I can tend to be rather abstract myself.

Two it was just an accidental glitch in the construction of the video. Yet then, it would seem lazy or just remiss to have n otcorrected the video once it was recognized.

That leaves what for me is the third, as you suggest a targetted effect for some unknown reason. I look at it like a magic act. As I carried on about in my earlier reply, that was a complete distraction, distraction being the key to all magic tricks. In this case, a possible magic trick of covering a big weakness in the links of proof to arrive at the end conclusions of the trip to the rabbit hole.

I"m not saying it was, only that my own sense of caution built on years of being deceived was sending up loud ''ah-OO00-gaas of warning that in my case at least made it impossible to pay it any more attention.

a reply to: BingoMcGoof
I just treat everything like if an AI generated it. But they still present information that is valid. The video went on to some more European nobility and the ties to today's secret societies. I was hoping for the stuff from like thousand plus years ago, but this was cool too. Some ritualistic historical photos I had seen before, and ones I had not.

Jacobism, Freemasons, French revolution, American revolution, Bolshevik revolution, and that Islamic conversion of that Turkish Jewish group were the main historical focuses. Just a mish mash of secret society stuff and their involvements with national revolutions in the last five hundred years.

I really want to know more about the super older stuff.

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: whereislogic

The irony of someone doing someone else the favor of pointing out that they may be a victim of propaganda and then to strengthen their case they quote scripture must be completely lost on you.

Actually no, your feelings in this regard are to be expected as the result of anti-Bible propaganda that saturates "this system of things" (2 Cor. 4:4). Painting the situation upside down.

Isaiah 5:20,21:

20 Woe to those who say that good is bad and bad is good,

Those who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness,

Those who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

21 Woe to those wise in their own eyes

And discreet in their own sight!

It's also not the first time I have had the exact same response to the warnings in the Bible about this. So it comes as no surprise to me that you feel this way. Actually, the article I linked dedicates a special section to respond to this conditioned feeling (on the first page; more so concerning the authors of that article being accused of using propaganda, but since their main source of their teaching and educational program is the Bible, the general way of thinking that this is ironic is the same).

It is common human behaviour (conditioned and indoctrinated) to think of the teaching that they "will not put up with" (the "beneficial teaching" mentioned at 2 Timothy 4:3,4) as being propaganda (deceptive, brainwashing, indoctrination) while not spotting the propaganda (deception, brainwashing, indoctrination) that has already affected them. In the field of psychology it is also described as a defense mechanism, psychological projection, which is almost the same as the behaviour described at Isaiah 5:20,21 (or a result of it on their behaviour, attitude and how they think about the situation). It's very hard to spot propaganda one has already fallen for, it is much easier to spot the propaganda one thinks is affecting someone else (or to think of it as such). For example, it is much easier for a Democrat (or more exactly someone who votes that way) to recognize the propaganda utilized by Republicans (its main propagandizers, like Trump and his team), just like it is much easier for a Republican (voter) to recognize the propaganda utilized by Democrats (its main propagandizers, like Biden and his team). It works the same way regarding theists vs atheists. People tend to stick with the side they have chosen, complaining about everything the other side is doing wrong, but failing to recognize when their side is doing the same (or even justifying it as being necessary to combat the other side cause they're doing it too, justifying the use of propaganda to combat the other side's propaganda, or swap propaganda out for spin in that statement; this is how CNN ended up behaving as poorly as Fox News and no longer sticking to reporting the news without a democratic slant and democratic propaganda & spin, picking which topics to spend most airtime on based on that; it is no longer a news station but a political station/channel, turning much more into the counterpart to (of?) Fox News and utlizing the same tactics to promote/market the opposite political view).

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Kenzo

Who benefits from the "hoax"?

The real ruler of this world for one, cause it keeps people nicely distracted from what he's up to and the "beneficial teaching" mentioned at 2 Timothy 4:3,4 (including those teachings that expose him and his tactics), drawing their attention towards hoaxes/"false stories" that 'tickle people's ears' (again quoting from 2 Timothy 4:3,4).

So no wonder that the people perpetrating this hoax are fascinated with the occult and like to write about it, drawing people's attention to the occult as well. It falls right into the modus operandi of the one identified in the Bible as "the ruler of this world" (Jn 14:30) and "god of this system of things" (2Cor 4:4) "who is misleading the entire inhabited earth" (Rev. 12:9), with the occult, among other things (Pagan philosophy, mysticism, etc.).

The Pagan Religious Roots of Evolutionary Philosophies and Philosophical Naturalism (part 1 of 2)
The Pagan Religious Roots of Evolutionary Philosophies and Philosophical Naturalism (part 2 of 2)

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: 19Bones79

Personally I want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

And I applaud you for it. The saying "We do not see things as they are, we see them as we are" and "For things to reveal themselves to us, we need to be ready to abandon our views about them" are not just good quotes.

It's not easy to see how deep the rabbit hole really goes if we persist in our beliefs and biases, what we THINK we KNOW. ...

What I was trying to point out in my response to 19Bones79, especially the last paragraph in my comment, is not that dissimilar to (from?) what Klassified is pointing out above (in particular the first saying he mentioned). In light of that saying, see also the text under my accountname. We are what we eat, i.e. which teachings we feed our mind with, whether that be the "beneficial teaching" or "the false stories" "according to our desires"* mentioned at 2 Timothy 4:3,4 (*: the things we want to believe, according to our preferences, atheists much prefer not to believe in God's existence or the value in the Bible's teachings in combatting propaganda, they would much prefer to believe that the Bible is a tool for control and brainwashing, a belief/opinion that is indoctrinated by the ruler of this world and all his human pawns and victims, reinforced by his system of things and large sections of his so-called "Truth Movement", the guy below mentions it as well expressing it as the feeling that "the Bible is control, ... it can't be true, it couldn't be cause it's controlled by these same people" after 5:08, the feeling described as "not put up with the beneficial teaching" at 2 Tim 4:3 he describes as "aversion to the Bible", he then goes on to express his opinion that this aversion is a conditioned feeling by those who are pushing all our buttons in this system of things; I'm paraphrasing to bring it more inline with what I'm pointing out).

edit (bolded):

... this is how CNN ended up behaving as poorly as Fox News and no longer sticking to reporting the news without a democratic slant and democratic propaganda & spin, picking which topics to spend most airtime on based on that; it is no longer a news station but a political station/channel, turning much more into the counterpart to (of?) Fox News and utlizing the same tactics to promote/market the opposite political view and attempting to gain converts).

a reply to: whereislogic

I really liked your take about this , to new level

A brilliant video by Mark Dice that complements this thread nicely.